Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by allezfred, Aug 18, 2013.
Creating from scratch.
I've forgotten what their original FD was?
ETA: Well I just watched the test skate. Whilst I had no problem with that FD, I'm not necessarily sorry they're changing it.
Hopefully now they have crazy voidy Zhulin masterpieces like their FD last year. Their SD last season was beautiful as well. They deserve that level of dance at the very least for the Olympics
I liked their FD but I'm excited to see their new one.
Really? Two new programs so close to the start of the new season?
I suppose it is better than two new programs in the middle of the season.
From the Russian Cup held in Sochi today:
1 Elena Ilinykh / Nikita Katsalapov MOS 67.26 33.10 34.16 8.60 8.35 8.50 8.60 8.60 0.00
2 Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshina MOS 62.89 32.60 30.29 7.65 7.45 7.65 7.55 7.55 0.00
3 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin MOS 58.77 30.00 29.77 7.40 7.30 7.50 7.55 7.45 1.00
Well, that is a pity. I loved both the FD music and the choreography in it, and was excited to see it at competitions, although, admittedly, Soloviev was far from the image of a bird that he (as well as Bobrova) was supposed to show. Probably that was part of the problem - they were not comfortable with the choreography and/or able to execute it in the intended way.
Thank you for the information.
OMG, I just came from the K&C and noticed that Elizaveta will be skating on the 5th of October at Finlandia Trophy!
Along with Artur Gachinsky!
I honestly cannot wait to see these two; this competition looks totally BAD A**! Here's hoping they come out kicking booty & taking names (along with Mirai, lol)!
I also liked the music and choreography, the whole concept. But I suppose it is not uncommon to change the program at the last moment if it doesn't feel right. Last year (or was it 2 years ago?) Kavaguti- Smirnov prepared SP 'cats' and then last minute change it for their third version of the same Waltz they had the previous season.
Didn't also US dancers (don't remember who exactly it was but one of the top ones) change their program last year after their skate camp?
Davis and white famously did it just last year but this is Olympic season! More scrutiny and changing seems like total panic nervous breakdown.
The last time K/S used The Blue Danube was in the back half of the free skate during the last Olympic year.
Stunned to hear that B&S are scrapping the FD. Like most have said, it seemed to have a lot of potential, and even Zhulin himself acknowledged in an interview that it got almost a universally positive reception at the test skates.
I just hope they came up with something so brilliant that it justified the switch.
Honestly, after last season, right now I am just going to settle for Artur skating steadily, landing jumps cleanly, and skating well. He can save the kicking booty for SkAm.
Oh no I liked their FD ! SD sucked but the FD was really promising
That's not true. They used it three seasons. 2008-2009 they used it in exhibitions, 2009-2010 they used it as FS and 2012-2013 they used it as their SP.
Their FD was taken from an ice show, first choreographed for Domnina/Tikhonov. IMHO the pair that claims to be n.1 in Russia and a medal contender in the upcoming Olympics should be skating new programmes, rather than recycle TV shows....
I liked that FD I know it wouldn't have been a classical piece like what Elena and Nikita are doing, but still
I am sure the change came because I&K's FD is a lot better than expected and everyone wannts B&S to be at least as good right ? But changing now is crazy
Same here. I thought it had wonderful potential. Olympics sure make people twitchy, and more inclined to play safe and grandiose ( hopefully not BS, but why else would they scrape an interesting FD?). A pity.
YES!! He can save the booty kicking for SkAm, where I will finally get to see him compete here!! And I would love to see him kick bootay in both competitions. After seeing him this summer, I think the boy is ready, and he's really hungry. He has something to prove, and I hope everything holds together (that back has been a problem for a few years now) and that, you are right..he really just needs to go in head down and arse up, and do his job. He CAN do this. He has some of the nicest changes of edge I've ever seen. I want THAT level of confidence he had at Euros 2012. And after Triglav, his confidence has steadily improved, and so has his ability to land the jumps that went MIA last season. Liza...she's very young, and has a very bright future in the sport. I want that future to begin NOW!!
Have fun, NadineWhite..Take many photos and video!!! I'm thrilled that they are giving Artur three majors (this one and two Grand Prix assignments!), when at the beginning of the announcements it looked like all he had was Skate America and a prayer for COR!! Perhaps this will be his true breakout year, and he couldn't have timed it better! Time will tell...
SP Results from todays' Russian Cup II (Sochi)
ETA the rest of the ladies results:
4. Artemieva 58.06
5. Biryukova 56.63
9. Korobeinikova 43.40 (dead last)
Sadly no videos, hell I don't think there was even an audience
That is not THE PREVIOUS SEASON to 'Cats' as you stated
The previous season? As in 2012-2011 when they skated to All Alone and Clair de Lune?
The previous season? As in 2011-2010 when they skated to Also sprach Zarathustra and Clair de Lune?
(Like I said before) the Olympic season when they skated to: Valse Sentimentale/The Blue Danube in the free skate and I dont count the 2008-2009 exhibitions since they arent judged.
At any rate
I think a change is good for B&S otherwise they probably wouldn't be doing it.
As far as I know TAHbKA has blocked me (quite unfairly, in my opinion), but I want to explain a bit more about what she wrote here. Yes, the music and the general concept of that FD was from 'Ice Age', but the choreography looked quite different. By the way, the music of their last season FD (the 'Man With a Harmonica' part) was used in one of those shows too, although, from what I remember, the concept was a bit different. Also, I can't completely agree with TAHbKA - I, as well as other people who watch those 'Ice Age' shows regularly, have often thought that some of the ideas, music, choreographic elements, also some lifts could be adapted for competitive programs. There have been a lot of interesting things during the years that we would have liked to see better executed by competitive skaters (or, at least, just by professionals like two years ago in the 'Ice Age: Cup of Professionals' show).
Bobrova & Soloviev's FD from the previous season was obviously inspired by Zhulin's work at the Ice Age tv show. "Man with the Harmonica" was used by Kazanova & Kostomarov in a number that got mostly positive feedback. Some of their moves in that FD were done by Arntgolts & Staviski in an Ice Age performance as well. I wouldn't be surprised if other ideas from that show will be used in future competitive programs.
That said, I loved Domnina & Tikhonov's performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d358Xbu9wt0) and I was looking forward to what B&S could do with their new FD.
Martyusheva & Rogonov are currently in third place after the SP at the Ondrej Nepela Trophy. They scored 28.46 in TES and 22.94 in PCS
I cannot find a thread to discuss junior grand prix skaters and performances, so I just post here. Alexandra Proklova has quickly become my favorite among the countless Russian girls on the junior circuits. I find most of the Russian junior girls almost indistinguishable from each other --- they can jump but their choreography tends to be generic and their musicality is immature and superficial. Proklova really stands out. She does not flail or rush. She hits most of the accents in the music. Her expression is precise and purposeful. It doesn't hurt that she also has strong and secure edges and high quality posture. Impressive, especially considering she is only 13. I would much rather watch her than watch Lipniskaya or Sotnikova.
Her most recent performance at JGP CZE:
I wonder if B&S got feedback that the "dying bird" concept was too morbid and not "uplifting" enough for an Olympic FD. If they were going to include the gunshot sound effect like the show version, there might have been concern having a gun shot echoing through the arena might be a bit unsettling.
I'm hoping it's simply becuase they came across another piece of music or idea that they fell in love with more, and weren't forced to drop the current one.
I'm having flashbacks to P&B's 2010 Olympic FD that started with a lot of potential in the pre-season, and then got butchered into some nightmarish version for no discernible reason.
Love her! What a great find! How old is she? Can she be age eligible for 2018?
Interesting that Agafonova bombed her last competition with very low scores, yet she is leading here with quite a high one. Not sure what her deal is, she can do the jumps, it seems just not consistently. Korobeynikova makes me sad to see her regressing like that, I wonder if she grew even taller, or if she is injured. On the bright side, nice to see Biryukova put up a respectable score, hope that means she is recovered from the multiple stress fractures that wreaked havoc on her results and scores last season
Proklova turned 13 on April 5: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00014530.htm
She will be not be eligible for any ISU Senior events until the 2015-16 season (due to the age rule change that raises the ISU Senior age minimum for Grand Prix/Senior B comps from 14 to 15 next season) but she will be old enough for 2016 Europeans/Worlds and 2018 Olympics.
Proklova's coach, Inna Goncharenko, also coaches Elena Radionova and junior Alexander Samarin (among others) in Moscow.
It's the right place/thread to discuss Russian skaters (besides in the Kiss and Cry forum). JGP videos are also discussed in the U.S. Ladies thread in the Trash Can and the other threads by discipline/country in GSD/Trash Can.
FYI, I re-posted a version of your Proklova post in this new thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...nior-skaters&p=4009259&viewfull=1#post4009259
Proklova's "Don Q" would be a remarkably sophisticated program for a top Senior. I think my favorite part is during the FW sequence with the long sequence of turns in one direction on one foot, and without putting her foot down, she turns in the opposite direction.
ETA: rest of videos now added to Kiss and Cry! As of now, no senior dance.
it highlights classic Diva Vera and her manservant program
Tutktamysheva LP practice from Findlandia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YbHhYRxcFM
For all you Gachinsky lovers!!!
Practice vids from Findlandia
Another vid of Tutktamysheva http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcIBYs3iHvU
What a sweet thing to call someone! Think I will use that with my little ballerinas this weekend.
Senior Dance FD
1 Elena ILYINYKH / Nikita Katsalapov 99.74 with 1 point deduction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp70e8oMkVE
2 Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshina 93.19 with 2 point deduction http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=liXTSK8hpJg
3 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan BUKIN 93.07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ZcGVQqlT4hI
1 Elena ILYINYKH / Nikita Katsalapov 167.00
2 Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshina 156.08
3 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan BUKIN 151.84
I'm not an ice dance expert, but if I was Riazanova/Tkachenko, I'd be scared of not making Sochi. S/Z, S/B, M/K are hungry..............
I/K wearing all black for a black swan is
its creepy with their resemblance on how they skate and look on the ice
Domnina/Shabalin is that you ?
Don't forget that one red glove she wears; it looks lonely surrounded by a sea of black
The costumes are ugly too.
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