Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by allezfred, Aug 18, 2013.
Here are the YT channels where Senior and Junior open/test skate videos are uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrYyyyytube/videos (includes Mozer's pair group videos from Aug. 14)
DobrinFan posted: Pictures from Saturday's (Aug. 17) test skates http://www.fskate.ru/photo/361/
Very nice of them to put it on youtube! I don't know what we would do without internet. We would have to wait another 2 months!
IIRC, Sotnikova already used this music in her first Junior season. Is she now just recycling the old program?
It seems that she is using a different choreographer than she used before so I doubt that she would be able to re-use a part of the program. The new choreographer would not want to sign himself under someone else's work. Besides, it was like 4-5 years ago so it wouldn't be any advantage for her to use that old program. I don't think you can remember it properly if you don't skate it for such a long time, so she may as well learn some new choreography.
but its a different music arrangement from the one one in her JGP music
almost no similarity with the sound beat
Kovtun's SP music and choreo remind me of Lobacheva/Averbukh's original dance from 2002. Did Averbukh choreograph this program for Maxim? Anyway, I think he has a strong SP and his movement looks more nuanced now than it did last season.
Loved Sotnikova's Carmen.
All three programs for the coming season (including exhibitions) for both Adelina and Maxim were choreographed by Peter Tchernyshev.
Where are all of Morozov's skaters?
what do you mean by ALL Morozov skaters? He doesn't have that many left...
It's just leonova and I/k or did voronov leave.
Morozov is on the low down atm
only Perkova and I/K (which hopefully leave after another disaster season )
Voronov is now with Julia's coach Tutberidze
Sotnikova skated to that FS music before? It must have caused some kind of permanent hearing damage that she would use it again.
Peter Tchernyshev choreographed Kovtun's programs? And there is that much two footed skating in them?
And Takahashi but he wouldn't be at Russian test skate
oh my god. i am absolutely in love with bobrova/solovie's free dance. and that at this moment of the season. can't wait of looking forward hoe this program will develop. gorgeous work!
Have I&K ever skated their full programs at the test skate? I know they didn't last year, and the year before they skated their FD to different music. I don't remember if they showed up when they were with Zhulin. IMO it's unacceptable for them not to be showing up ready by now considering they always struggle on the GP. They are just not the types to get a late start but then show up in shape at competitions. B&S are usually one of the first ice dancers to show their programs, even internationally.
Really curious to see Stepanova/Bukin now.
thanks for the videos, by the way.
don't know what to think of monko/khaliavins free dance.
i really likes this couple but i don't know if this is the right vehicle for them. let's see how it will develop thoughout the season?
was volchkovas group at the test skates? i so badly want to see anything of biryukova. any updates on her? or better-videos?
Me too .Curious to see how they do in seniors
I/k did fantastically in the gp in 2012! They were great from gp to euros then collapsed astoundingly at worlds.
Their results were good but their skating wasn't that great... they fell at Crystal skate and again at CoR... at NHK they struggled because she was sick (it was one of the better examples of them rallying) and went on to finish last at GPF. They were getting good marks but didn't capitalize on it til Euros, and then somehow lost all momentum at Worlds. They are completely unreliable.
Last year I/K and all of Morozov's skated did closed test skates for the Federation in August as they were due to be training in the US when the main test skates were scheduled. They also showed up when they worked with Zhulin - I remember TAT complaining that Zhulin hadn't bothered to come with them.
They are unreliable and should should have changed coaches after worlds 2013 but before that I guess I did not get your definition of "struggle" which meant to me like not medaling at a gp or not even making the gpf like previous seasons.
Radionova's SP is very very good. And her body language is surprisingly similar to Carolina's. Big improvement during the summer!
This. They were very overmarked last season, showed very little progression, and on top of it were saddled with one of the worst free dances in recent history. Just having the potential should not be earning them high PCS marks. They were so bad at Worlds they should have rightfully been behind Z/G & R/T.
Ah what a treat to see all these vids just before the season begins!
Really liked Sotnikova's SP. She's a wonderful performer, I love it. Overall there isn't really anything about her skating that I don't like. The final spin was sort of voidy.
As before, Radionova's presence endlessly impresses me. She can showcase so many different emotions in her skating, especially considering her age. She's not always smiling or always angsty or whatever. She actually listens to the music and is obviously trying to portray a story of some kind whenever she skates. I loved the SP, she has such gorgeous lines (with the exception of her shoulders at times... the only thing that bothers me a little bit) and she knows how to use them. The extension is amazing. Also really enjoyed the last minute of the FS when she was rockin' it. I love that she's a bit of a voidy arteeste type, obviously.
Lipnitskaia's SP is a clear improvement! It seems like she's actually listening to the music at least a bit every now and then... and the number of bendy movements has gone down to only a couple. She's nowhere near the natural performer that Radionova is though.
Ah, Bobrova/Soloviev's FD has such void potential! Birds? Can't wait to see the costumes! I think I could really really love this free. The SD was a bit of a bore though but it'll probably get better.
Fedorova has grown so much! Their height difference is looking normal for a pair now. Jumps were nowhere to be seen, unfortunately. Hopefully she can overcome that! The entry into the throw looked all kinds of wrong.
They showed enormous progression until worlds! They were not flawless all the time and did have one of the worst free dances of all time if not the worst but did make enormous strides and progression and almost winning Euros! They almost won Euros over B/S even with what was considered by many the worst free dance of all time. They had a major collapse at worlds and failed there but no where else. Now they should have changed coaches but didn't.
Look at their base technical scores. It was highest at their first two GP events; every event after Rostelecom Cup and NHK their base TES scores were at least 2 pts less. That's not really progression when you are losing points on things like footwork sequences throughout the season.
I am sorry, but I find that frustrating when it is clear how talented and amazing they could be. Watching them in practice at Worlds it was clear how easily they seemed to lose focus and concentration.
Their almost winning Euros (with their overscored PCS) was more politics than prowess with P/B out with injury. Perhaps they felt too confident coming into Worlds that they would place higher and that ended up working against them and they weren't prepared as they should have been? They skated well at Euros, but not vastly superior to any of the other finishers in the top four. And, yes, they won the free dance, but with easier content than they started the season with. (Like winning the Olympics without a quad! )
As for a coaching change, well... all I can say is that I'm sure we all hope Elena comes to her senses.
I think what happened at worlds had to include their confidence not being too great because of almost winning euros but shot after hearing so much that they had the worst program ever done! That maybe that played into their euros loss and they lost all confidence and wanted the season to be over! What team since cop has almost won a major event like euros and then comes in 16th place in TES Out of 20 in the worlds? Their levels were remarkably consistent with none of the frequent level ones that would appear all the time in their free dances in 2010 and 2011. I think it may have been 2011 NHK they won the SD and then barely medaled after the free dance? So that is what I meant - that's way bigger than going down two points in base value!! They kept the quads in 2012! Their total collapse at worlds with a program considered the worst of all time and that they skipped the Wtt rather than do again showed how the confidence was shattered! So that's why I am surprised they didn't change coaches or even if that's not possible because of nikolai and Elena being involved then just Nikita giving up!
I disagree. They were doing very well until the worlds.
I guess the trend now is to only trash I/K and spread rumours about them,plus speculate about how they must be feeling about things. It's viral actually.But they should have expected it when they left Zhulin.See,B/S were trashed and the moment they got there they became the absolute darlings of those same people that trashed them.And nowadays, russian posts can be so easily translated from people that don't even know the language that these conceptions and rumours just travel in light speed.
I/K had their best season until worlds, they have never finished 2nd in both their events before,never have done the final, they had never come so close to winning Euros.
My two cents..their losing Euros in such a way made them more angry and determined than they should be in such an important event. Sometimes the will to show you're the best when you're not mentally or physically mature works against you.This is exactly what hapenned with B/S at 2012 Worlds,they had won the SD over P/B, went to Worlds determined, couldn't handle it, lost their focus and fell.And yes, the ice is slippery as well.
Of course, gossip and rumours and speculations about things are much more appealing than mere facts...
Evgeni Plushenko has started to do the quad toe again in practice. Article & video: http://www.1tv.ru/news/sport/239879
Morozov is only acting as a consultant for Dai this season.
Are there going to be any more test skates this week? Curious to see Volchkova's skaters as none of them have skated yet and they are unpredictable to begin with. Loved that picture with all of them though, so cute.
Is your two cents based on things I/K said or just a theory? I doubt I/K were in such a total bubble that it never reached them that basically everyone agreed they had the worst program of all time! Especially by the time worlds occurred! And it being in North America.
I actually *wish* I could stop trashing I&K. I used to defend them, I really like them as people and skaters, but they're just not delivering on content nor choreography. I even loved their Euros FD skate despite the terrible program.
I am also curious to see Gosviani and Leonova. Which Leonova will we see? The one from the last season, or the one from two years ago? Is she back to landing jumps or does she still struggle?
I am glad you admit that you are trashing them. I don't think they deserve it though! If you don't like them, don't watch them, but why bother trashing skaters who put so much time and effort into skating? Some skaters I like, some I don't like. Someone's skating makes me happy/excited and someone's skating just doesn't do anything for me; sometimes I can't even explain why. But why bother trashing the skaters?
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