From Russia With Love - Spring into Summer 2013

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Mar 17, 2013.

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  1. viviabond

    viviabond New Member

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    Me too! Moskvina team's program fits them very well
  2. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    It can't hurt being near v/t for b/l. Hopefully volosozhar could be an inspiration to jump better for bazarova! Just thinking of volo possibly making bazarova better by proximity lol is something!
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    I wonder what they mean when they say that Bazarova needs to fully restore (google translation, so it may not be even there!). I thought that it was Larionov who had broken his wrist. Does Bazarova have some ongoing health problems or injuries?
  5. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Interesting, that someone thinks that Mozer/Morosov wouldn't be good choices for B/L because of all the attention being focused on V/T; yet, think that Moskvina would be a good choice....ummm, doesn't Moskvina still have K/S, and wouldn't there be an issue of having enough time and attention to focus on two top groups there just as well as there would be with Mozer and crew?
  6. robinhood

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    I recall listening to Maxim Trankov saying he would like another top pair involved in their training team...so I think B/L are very much welcomed
    Dunno if Vera's jump problems can be solved as she hasn't got any natural spring to her jumps, but they both can work with their on ice connection development and having V/T there will help them a lot, as it is truly their forte and one of the best at it atm
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  8. Macassar88

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    The reasoning for me not wanting moser to coach them isn't that moser is a bad coach. It's just that her priorities are elsewhere. And Morozov is a god awful choreographer.
    Whereas Moskvina is a good coach and would focus more on BL because they'd be her top team. And she isn't an awful choreographer.
  9. rfisher

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    She's also 70 something and has said she's considering retirement. Plus, her teams have crashy split twists and B/L's is a thing of beauty. :drama:
  10. julieann

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    B/L would be her top team? Not sure where you get that from.

    Moser can't be in two placed at once so with V/T being her #1 and going into the Olympic season, B/L will get what's left. It reminds me of Ingo coaching S/S and V/M, one team isn't going to get the undivided attention they deserve but in reality they didn't have many options. All they can really hope for is great choreography (Moser can't give them that) and someone to help with technique and they had that before and it didn't help.

    ETA: Moskvina doesn't choreograph for her team and it has been stated several times she is retiring after 2014.
  11. DimaToe

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    Isn't Moskvina retiring after Sochi though?
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    Well, they say in the article that they want to continue working with their old choreographer Ludmila Vlasova, so you don't have to worry about their programs.

    I think a bit of healthy competition can't hurt. Besides, Zoueva has Virtue-Moir, Davis-White and Shibutanis. Is anyone saying that Davis-White are getting what is left because she spends more time with Virtue-Moir? The same with Orser having Fernandes, Hanyu, Gedevanishvilly... Yao-Bin had both Pang-Tong and Zhang-Zhang.

    I wouldn't compare it to Ingo Steuer coaching S/S and V/M, because he was at some point in relationship with Aliona. Besides, the fact that one coach can't pay attention to more couples doesn't mean that some other coach (e.g. Mozer) in the same situation couldn't do better.
  13. Vash01

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    I wish B&L had gone to Moskvina, but we will see how it works out with Mozer. May be they will be inspired by watching V&T.
  14. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    I meant Mozer/Morosov as in Stanislav Morosov....
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    Don't Russian coaches teach in groups as a rule?
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    Vlasova doesn't create programs AFAIK, she is a former ballerina and works mostly on lines, polishing some moves, positions. More of a choreographer in process who works with skaters all season. But Mozer's skaters work with different choreographers, not only Morozov, and she also said B/L will have a completely different team than V/T
    Yes, but there can be more than one group. And Mozer already mentioned that V/T and B/L will be in different groups which means different schedule, so I don't think that will be a problem
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Hmmm. I want to smoke whatever he's on. Somehow Leonova's 13th place finish was a "success" of sorts, and oh yeah, there are excuses for everyone else's placements....hmmm. (of his team)
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    It sounds he's saying both Takahashi and Amodio had touring on their plate to the detriment of their results, too, as if he's a parent saying "I told you so," and hopefully they will have learned their lesson for next year if they want good results.

    I do hope Takahashi can get his boot issues resolved. Generally 4C's is not a consideration in the Olympic year, unless they are at home.
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    Yeah it was a sucess because I thought she was going to place 23'rd
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    Well, if you think about it, it actually was success (relatively). During the GP she was 7th and 8th out of 10 skaters, so considering how bad she was the whole season, at worlds out of some 30 skaters she also could have been 25th!
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    Any generous soul feel like translating? I know I know we can google translate but its not the same innit??
  24. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    This might explain why Gachinski was working on his new LP so early...

    He's competing at the Triglav Trophy from today!

    There are only 12 skaters in the Senior Men's field and his is the only name I recognise, so hopefully this will be a nice little confidence booster for him, a rebuilding block he can take with him into the off-season.

    Entries/Results etc here


    EDIT: *facepalm* That'll teach me to skim-read - Daisuke Murakami is the other international Senior in the men's field.
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  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Triglav Trophy update: Elena Radionova easily leads Jr. Ladies after today's SP (62.34 - 3Lz+3T, 3F, 2A); ditto for Alexander Petrov who won Jr. Men SP yesterday (66.56 - 3A, 3Lz+3T, 3F). Artur Gachinski, Nikol Gosviani and Polina Agafanova compete their SP later today.

    Adelina Sotnikova interview: http://moskvasportivnaya.com/news/p2_articleid/1162

    Konstantin Menshov interview: http://fcp-press.ru/interview/p2_articleid/7073

    Ekaterina Bobrova interview: http://fcp-press.ru/interview/p2_articleid/7065
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  26. Kasey

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    Menshov is a classy guy. I hope he does great at WTT.
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    Triglav Trophy Senior SP update:

    1. Gachinski 71.64 - 4T (-1.33), 3A (+1), 3Lz+2T, CCoSp didn't count

    1. Gosviani 57.73 - 3T+3T, 2A, 3F
    3. Agafonova 50.49 - 1Lz, 3S+3T, 2A
  29. caseyedwards

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    Good for gachinski 4t and 3a together. Rare occurrence. Would like to see the spin that didn't count. Can use some past problems to guess what went wrong like a slip or start stop?
  30. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I'm not going to worry about the spin at this point. All that matters to me right now is that he landed every single one of his jumps. That hasn't happened since...um...well, it's been a while now. So I'm very happy for him and hope this is just a new beginning. Can't wait to see what he puts down for the FS (I wonder if it'll be Anna Karenina or if that one's not finished yet?).

    *doing a happy dance*
  31. hanca

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    Well, he didn't land every single of his jumps. I don't think he planned the double in the combination. But you are right, it is good enough for now. Good progress, getting there. (But not good enough for Europeans/Olympics/Worlds next year).
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    Well he was 4th in Russian nationals in his worst form and beat kovtun so if his form improves as to where he's doing quads and 3a together then he could win Russian nationals
  33. Sylvia

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    Piseev is quoted in this March 26 article as saying that the Israeli federation has not yet requested a formal release for Polina Shelepen: http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20130326/653278372.html
  34. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Well, that is true. But he got the first triple down and then actually got the combo in and stood up on everything so I will definitely take that. (At least it wasn't a 3-1). It's just such a relief to see him landing stuff. Hope he can keep it up.

    Fair point! ;)
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    Could someone translate Bobrova's interview pretty please :)
  36. pinky166

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    Nice score for Gosviani :cheer: I like her. Hope she gets some GP assignments this coming season! She deserves them way more than Leonova after this season IMO :slinkaway:

    Good luck for the FS!
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    So no new coach for I&K:scream: I thought he said if they can't medal at worlds and GPF, he will not work with them.
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    It's the power of the :cat:
  39. euterpe

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    Gosviani is #32 on the Seasons Best list. After the old data is removed/reduced, Gosviani would be in the mid-70s on the World Ranking list; if she wins Triglav, she would move up to the mid-50s on WR. So she is not guaranteed any GP assignments. She could get a CoR host pick and hope for a substitute slot.

    Leonova will be in the top 10 on the WR list after the data purge, so she is guaranteed at least one GP slot, and she could get two (she's #25 on SB).

    Bear in mind that Gosviani's Euros score would have placed her 16th at Worlds, lower than Leonova at 13th. Also, International B scores tend to be a lot higher than ISU Championship scores.
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    How can Gosviani move up on the World Ranking list, if she doesn't get GP events? Will B competitions count? How many of them can count, is it limited, or the more she does the better?

    Also, if within the next few seasons there may be possibly 5 good skaters in the Russia and only 2 can go to Worlds and only 3 to Europeans, is there any way to make up the points for Worlds standings without being able to attend Europeans and Worlds?
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