From Russia with love: Sochi (late Dec. 2013) through Sochi 2014

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Dec 24, 2013.

  1. kwanfan1818

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    Seriously? There's no difference between three spots max and eighteen spots max?

    Sakhanovich, Proklova, Sotskova, and Medvedeva are not age-eligible for next year -- starting with the 2014-15 season, they must be 15 by 1 July 2014 for all senior ISU events -- and it doesn't matter how much the Russian Fed wants to send them to GP. Like with Lipnitskaia and Sotnikova, who had their own season of woe, and Tuktamysheva, who was considered a contender for the OGM just a few years ago and hasn't come out the other side of her slump, there's no guarantee that any of these Ladies will be as excellent in a year or two as they are now or that they won't have an adjustment year or two, even after they excel.

    Last season, there were five RUS Ladies in the Top 24 SB, all age-eligible, with Leonova on the cusp; all got two in the initial selection. In addition, Korobeynikova was guaranteed one from being #22 on the WS list. The only other Russian Ladies skater who didn't qualify automatically was Gosviani, who was eligible for a host pick and another assignment from the substitutions list. That translated into this season, where the Russian Fed sent Tuktamysheva and Radionova to SA, Lipnitskaia to SC -- Leonova had to pull out -- Pogorilaya, Sotnikova, and Gosviani (who replaced Korobeynikova), to Cup of China, Leonova and Radionova to NHK, Pogorilaya and Sotnikova to TEB, and Liptnitskaia, Tuktamysheva, and Gosviani to RC. That's seven different skaters assigned to 14 spots, with an eighth scheduled and pulled.

    The age-eligible RUS Ladies skaters who are likely to be in the Top 24 WS SB are Sotnikova, Lipnitskaia, Radionova, Pogorilaya, and Leonova, and with a good chance of staying there, Tuktamysheva, especially if Kim is dropped as a retired skater. The next age-eligible skater is Gosviani, SB #41. Korobeynikova doesn't have a SB score this season.

    I didn't see picky this season, and the skaters who will be guaranteed spots or be on the cusp are the exact same skaters who were guaranteed spots this season, with Gosviani again being the highest on the list for the alternates list. If I'm the Russian Federation, I would want two spots for all of those guaranteed one if I could get them, which should be everyone but Gosviani. I would see no reason to demoralize a skater who was 4th at Europeans and, to date, the only Russian woman to be on the Worlds podium since 2005, because of something that *might* happen two seasons from now, when it would be possible to have the equivalent of a 2013 Sotnikova/Tuktamysheva showing.
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  2. hanca

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    kwanfan1818, if you look at my post No 510 and 514, you may notice that I am actually aware that Sakhanovich, Proklova, Sotskova, and Medvedeva are not age-eligible for next year. I did write it in both posts! I thought the discussion (if you actually bothered to read it) was about whether Leonova may still have long and successful career ahead of her. While I wrote in my posts that I don't doubt that she will get 2 assignments the next season (2014-2015), it will be nearly impossible to get 2 assignments from the season after that (2015-2016) if she skates on the level she has been this season because those fours youngsters from junior will become eligible. Obviously if she gets to the form she was 2-3 years ago, she may make it, but what she is doing now won't be enough. Although having max 18 spots (actually 9 'double-spots' because one needs 2 GP events to be able to get to GPF) is much more than having max three spots for Europeans/worlds, with the level of skating that is in Russia now it really soon won't be enough. I can imagine what the federation will do because they did it to Sokolova.
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    Then you're also aware that Sotnikova and Lipnitskaia had their difficulties over the last few seasons, that Tuktamysheva, who was considered a medal threat in Sochi not so long ago, is not competitive lately, that had Tuktamysheva and Sotnikova not done so poorly in London, that Leonova would have been in Sochi against many's predictions, just as she was a surprise-to-many participant at Euros, that there's no guarantee that in two year's time that any of the current phenoms will be dominant and/or not going through a growth spurt or be dealing with body changes -- they'll all be turning 16 in the 2015-16 season -- or maintain their jumps or be healthy.

    Leonova has been written off over and over, but she somehow remains in the mix. You're welcome to write her off, of course.
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  4. hanca

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    Well, she hasn't exactly remained in the mix, has she! She missed Olympics and they are sending Pogorilaya to worlds instead of her...
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  5. kwanfan1818

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    And USFS is sending Max Aaron instead of Jason Brown.

    We'll just have to wait and see.
  6. DobrinFan

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    Guess Gachinsky officially has flown the coop, don't think Mishin would have given this answer had he not......

    Full interview http://fsnews.ru/page-id-2248.html
  7. Messalina

    Messalina Sabre-rattler

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    What with juniors AND seniors, there are just too many Russian girls/women to like! :) I can think of only one (who skates internationally) whom I really don't like.
  8. allezfred

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    There were other reasons they did it to Sokolova. :shuffle:
  9. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Based on the most recent reports gachinski is seemigly much more quiet than such people as dmitriev jr
  10. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    Do we know who his new coach is?
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    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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  12. DobrinFan

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    Nothing official on the new coach. Rumors suggest Sokolovskaya who teaches at CSKA and coaches Bush, Shelepen, and S. Borodulin :scream:

    Link: http://sport.mail.ru/sochi/news/16971778/
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  13. Macassar88

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    Isn't Sokolovskaya the one whose students can't jump to save their lives?
  14. DobrinFan

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    The one and only :scream:
  15. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Oh no Artur please don't do it!
  16. love_skate2011

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    omg, :yikes: that's a career suicide
    he should be begging to go to Tutberidze, Buyanova or Menshov's coach or heck even Morozov
  17. hanca

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    I agree. Tutberidge is the safest bid but he would share the ice with Voronov and Voronov now has became quite good. Saying that, the ladies also share a coach, for example Lipnitskaya and Medvedeva have the same coach and Radionova with Proklova also share one , and it did not hurt them at all.
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  18. rfisher

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    Tutberidze also just had Pitkeev win silver at junior Worlds so I'd say she's got a solid group of skaters.
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    She also has another young girl, Polina Tsurskaya, who has some potential. Fantastic jumps - but not a whole lot else yet.
  20. misskarne

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    Not Morozov!

    Going to anyone with direct rivals of his would defeat the point of leaving Mishin, wouldn't it?

    I'd rather see him train outside of Russia, but we know politically that wouldn't work for him.
  21. caseyedwards

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    Leaving mishin is all about Pcs and gachinski said that he was meeting with dancers all for pcs. The coach he is with now has people who are now basically equal to him. It seems that he if he was Feeling neglected for sochi because plushenko was back now is the perfect time to actually stay because plushenko really and truly is retired and petrov is 15! It was just not working in the pcs area at all really ever as a senior which was ok as long as he hit all his jumps but now he's going to very weak jump coach. She's not even really seen as good in pcs! So the whole thing is weird. And he has to keep all jumps.