From Russia With Love - Autumn 2012

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 12, 2012.

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  1. Jammers

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    It seems like the Russian men are doing what the US Ladies have been trying to do since Michelle Kwan retired. Just like it seems like the US was trying to find the next Michelle Kwan for years Russia has been looking for the the next Plushenko instead of allowing their own skaters be true to themselves and not try to be another Plushenko.
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  2. love_skate2011

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    I think they are yielding some small results now, though Gachinski is a mini Plushy clone, Kovtun doesn't at all. and they had 3 individual medalists in the JGP.
    none imo are plushy clones, Kovtun, Samarin and Petrov

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Kovtun
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Samarin
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Petrov_(figure_skater)

    I agree that finding another Plushy will never happen again and what is needed is for the skaters to have their own style
  3. lubov26

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    i guess calling Abt as Kulik's clone is a good thing :rolleyes: Kovtun is no way as good as Gachi at least yet...
    i think Gachi is beautiful skater, i love his body movement , very ellegant with his own style , such a shame of his jumps :( hope he ll bring them back
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  4. kwanfan1818

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    I think Gachinski's more fluid than Plushenko, and, of course, he's developed through a different system with different demands. Didn't Plushenko do most of his growing before he exploded on the senior scene? Plushenko was a prodigy, reaching and maintaining success quite young, and having extraordinary confidence, and Gachinski's career has been like other top skaters, who had times of brilliance and times of struggle.
  5. lulu

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    Hopefully he'll be able to skate at Russian Nationals. :)
  6. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    :yikes: Poor bloke.

    Looking at the videos it would seem Plushenko had a huge growth spurt between 17 and 18 (in that off-season between 1999-2000 and 2000-2001 season), and then finished there. But Plushenko also didn't seem to have these jolty spurts. He seemed to grow slowly after he hit Seniors, had that major spurt in the off-season where he went from small and skinny to tall and solid, and that was the end of it. Gachinski has had a few growth spurts over the last few years.

    Plushenko is an incredible rarity, like a pink diamond or something. His incredible consistency and his ability to sustain that level of competitiveness - while fighting other exceptional talents as a youngster - is mind-boggling. And his confidence has never wavered, even for a moment. I was watching his short program from the 1998 World Championships again the other day - so young, just 15, at his first Senior worlds, and he was playing with the crowd, encouraging them to clap in time with his music!

    Gachinski is a talent, a gift to Russian skating, with that lovely lyrical style and the big wonderful jumps. But he's been caught up in this mad search for "another Plushenko" and I don't think Russian skating realises what it really has with him.
  7. alchemy void

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    I think the general consensus is she was completely out of her league as a coach for Asada and even Dytrt?

    Although she's very easy on the eyes, so there's that.
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    :rofl: it says he recently stopped skating
  11. lulu

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    Well, he's short enough. :p ;) j/k

    Ah, good old google translate, where would we ever be without our FSU translators? :drama:
  12. Macassar88

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    Yeah rolling comes up a lot instead of skating.
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    Let's hope he's in better charge of a horse than he is a car :shuffle:

    What did the diva Bobrova say about this season etc ?
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    She implied that she doesn't think that they won't be the #1 Russian team anymore and that she hasn't heard much about people telling her that they won't be it. She said that they will fight for that place throughout the season. She understands the judges feedback and they will work on correcting things. They want to be at the GPF.

    And I don't really see her as a diva. She seems like she's actually really nice.
  16. love_skate2011

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    True, Bobrova is too much of a goody good girl,
    Ilinykh and Sinitsina are more of a diva than her
  17. nuge

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    I know that I just like to call her a nice diva :)I think they will retain their number one spot :)
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    I feel like if Ekaterina were a diva, she might have said some negative things about Kustarova and Alexeeva, but she has only said the nicest things about them in all her interviews - like how they are basically family to her and how they taught her so much.
    And I hope that they retain the number 1 spot. I like their programs more, and they are much harder workers. Zhulin will hopefully be able to get them a medal at Sochi and then gold in 2018!
  19. Marco

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    I am really liking what I see from Tuk so far this season. She is taking her time to emote and project, instead of rushing and looking hectic with her arms. Her layback is unfortunate though (injury, I know). Compared to Sot though, she still needs some speed and ice coverage.

    This will likely be Tuk and Sot's adjustment season - they will likely start to dominate next season, just in time to contend for the podium in Sochi. To contend for the title, they will have to be pretty solid from now on.

    On the other hand, I was more impressed with Lip as a junior than is with her as a senior. She has visibly even less flow than Tuk. That will hurt her PCS.
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    Sorry, but I don't understand the " off season". What do you think?
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    The time between seasons
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    Thank you, obviously:duh:
  24. Macassar88

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    BS finished in third in the SD. However, their GOE and PCS were both higher than Weaver and Poje - they just have to get their YP up to the same level as the rest.
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    The google translation cracks me up.

    Bobrova in response to how the FD went at CoC...
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  29. Macassar88

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    I liked the part where they asked her about her previous costumes and how she talked about her lack of input.
    Also the part where she talks about her nails - I feel like in Ice Dance the partners should be able to hold each other gently enough that nails wouldn't get in the way of anything.
  30. quiqie

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    Translation:

    Elena Vaitsekhovskaya (EV): How much of an of effort did this skate cost you?

    Dmitry Soloviev (DS): It was harder than in America. Probably because there Katya and I had absolutely nothing to lose. In China, there was a hope we could make the Grand Prix Final. It was impossible not to think about it, thoughts like that would constantly appear in my head and distract from skating. Probably it was the reason we couldn't go all out in the short dance.

    EV: And in the free?

    DS: In the free I tried to clear my head from everything already at the morning practice. It helped.

    EV: Katya, how did you cope?

    Ekaterina Bobrova (EB): Skating today was difficult for me for several reasons. I will not talk about them, but when our coach Alexander Zhulin saw me at the morning practice, he immediately understood my state. And he said, "Katya, you skated this free program so many times that you can just forget you are skating at competition. Just another run-through, just as usual." Those words meant a lot for my peace of mind.

    EV: Was skating in China more difficult for you than skating in the U.S., like it was for Dmitry?

    EB: Yes. In America, our skating was easier and with more freedom. And more emotional.

    DS: I think now it will be getting easier for us. Too much depended on our first two performances.

    EV: You were not discouraged by placing third in the short dance?

    DS: No.

    EB: Actually, this was third competition in a row for us - with weekly intervals. We have never skated like that before: I don't remember ever competing three times in a row in 13 years that we skate together. On the other hand, it keeps us in good shape, we do not lose competitive form. Although if you think about it, it was quite difficult: first we competed in Finland, then in the U.S., and now in China - so many flights and time zone changes. It was also a valuable experience.

    EV: Your scores in the free dance in Shanghai were lower than in the U.S.. What do you feel about it?

    DS: I had a feeling it will be like that even before the score appeared.

    EV: Were you, at least to some degree, afraid you would not be able to leave the Canadians behind for the second time this season?

    DS: I wasn't.

    EB: I thought about it, to be honest. But I told myself that I won't be upset however this turned out. I am satisfied with the quality of our skate, we did it well once again, our coach also said he was satisfied, and that, if you think about it, is no less important than our placement.

    EV: What was going on in your mind when you started preparing for this season? At the World Championships you got quite a slap in the face, placing seventh.

    EB: In Nice it was my own fault. I gave it away.

    EV: It's all true, but what I mean is that ice dance is such a sport where you can give it away only once, and then suffer the consequences until the end of your career. When you had made the decision to switch from Elena Kustarova to Alexander Zhulin, didn't you have a feeling that it was already too late?

    DS: I did. After all that had been said about us last season, I understood that everyone had virtually given up on Katya and me. And we wanted to prove that it was too early. That we do not give up no matter what.

    We had doubts when we already started training in Zhulin's group. On the one hand, I realized that we had skated together for so long and it will make some things easier for us. On the other, we had to change too much. So we were afraid that our intentions would not be taken seriously.

    EV: You came to the new coaches as highly decorated team that knew its worth. And you were offered to "change everything." Didn't you deed down have at least a brief objections about that?

    DS: No. We gave ourselves fully to Sasha and Oleg Volkov. As you can say, with knowing consent.

    EB: After the very first practices I realized that it was a completely different level of work that we were never used to. Our former coaches Elena Kustarova and Svetlana Alexeeva gave us very much and I will always be grateful to them for that. But that was another team, other tasks - everything was different. It's such a pleasure to come to practice, it is impossible to put into words. I started craving skating like a crazy. It compensated for all the doubts. I am very happy that we did this step. And we discovered a lot with that.

    EV: The last two seasons, it seemed to me that you did not want to change anything in your skating. You were really criticized by all and sundry. Did you realize that you were wasting time?

    EB: We talked about it with our former coaches many times. We told them that we wanted to change our skating style, our image drastically. To her credit, Kustarova tried to do everything she could for us. Sending us to St Petersburg, inviting new choreographers.

    DS: Probably the thing is that it was done from time to time - very randomly. For changes to become evident, you have to work all the time, every day. Only then you can really change something, so that it will seen by others.

    EV: You and Katya are actually reckless people: you come to new coaches, handsome and beautiful as you are, and the coach offers you to portray a demented couple in the free dance. Did you agree at once, or did you have doubts about it?

    DS: Zhulin narrated the idea of the free dance so interestingly that we agreed without hesitation.

    EB: Initially Sasha offered us two variants. We liked the one that was eventually chosen. The dance somehow fit well with our emotions. Working on it has been a pleasure.

    DS: Even when something did not work in practice, there was no tension. Zhulin is great for solving tension. Like, it doesn't work? What do you mean? You skate just magnificently for Monday!

    EV: Katya, there is a common perception in ballet and dance that female partner should have "small" head - smooth hair, tight low bun. You skate with your hair down. Doesn't it feel uncomfortable?

    EB: Not at all. I wanted to change this bun with which skated all my life, for something completely different for a long while. And makeup.

    EV: Excuse me, but what's with this legend circulating in the fandom about you adoring false lashes and blue eyeshadows?

    EB: No one really asked me whether I liked it or not. When skating costumes were brought to the ice rink, my job was to stand with outstretched arms like a doll, and wait until the fitting was over. It never occurred to me to say "no". Long skirt - ok, long skirt. High collar - ok, high collar. Feathers in hair - ok, feathers in hair. Just now I realized how great it is when the coach listens to you when you say what you want. Whatever it is.

    EV: In diving, when athletes enter the water, they join hands with such force that their fingers always have nail marks. In ice dance, I know, athletes also use strong grip. And you, Katya, have long nails. How do you deal with them?

    EB: I don't know. Many girls cut their nails very short exactly because of fear to hurt the partner. I never once scratched Dima even in training. Even at the time when I skated with false nails, which were twice as long.

    EV: What if the next season Zhulin offers you to cut your hair short, will you agree?

    EB: No problem! Hair is not head. It will grow back!

    EV: You said at the press conference that between those three competitions there was not enough time to correct mistakes. Now you have a whole month. What will you work on in the first place?

    DS: The polka. To make it impossible to find anything wrong in any element. It's nonsense: in America we get level four and three, and in Shanghai the same elements become level three and two. Therefore, we have to work very seriously on steps. Speed of skating also needs work. We do have enough time now to add something, and to remove something.

    EV: When you skate a program at the event, can you tell by your feelings during your skate what levels you would get on your step sequences, for example?

    DS: I can. Of course, judging panels are different, but I regard this very simply, as I said: you have to skate so well that it would be impossible to find anything wrong in your skate.

    EB: I was especially upset with level two step sequence. I tried to complete each movement, moreover, I kept in mind everything we were told after Skate America. And there they told us that the step sequence lacked just one step to make it level four. I thought I got all the step right. And then - level two... But it happens.

    EV: Have you ever cried because of your results?

    EB: Yes, more than once. I am generally a very emotional person. And I think that if you are upset - not necessarily because of the sports results - there is nothing wrong with not keeping emotions to yourself.
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  31. Macassar88

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    Thanks so much for the translation! Much better than google translate!
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    To anyone who posts on FSonline.ru, I've been lurking there for a while, and I've seen talk about how Zhulin may think that Christopher Buchanan was trying to screw over Bobrova and Soloviev (Probably because of their low base tech marks which didn't end up affecting anything). Anyone know anything more about this? I haven't seen a source, but I know that Zhulin was quoted saying that he felt like Bobrova and Soloviev should have won.

    He also said "В Шанхае ситуация по судейству была очень сложная, но ребят проявили себя здорово."
    which according to google translate, means In Shanghai, for judging the situation was very complicated, but the guys have proven great.

    http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/5927.html
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    Thanks for the interview translation, I admire them a lot for their hard work and dedicating themselves to improving. They have a wonderful humbleness about them and yet they have the strive to win, too. I have always liked them and am happy to see them having more success.
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    He doesn't want to sound like kustarova and all her "b/s are doing level 4 they are just not being called level 4" stuff. That's why they left her.
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    Thankfully that's not what he said. :) He said that they were first according to the audience reaction, not that they should have won the competition. He did say he wasn't impressed with P/B free dance though.
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    I feel like that combo says that he feels like they maybe should have won. (Not going to say how I feel about the results since that's not really the topic)
    Kind of like how at worlds last year, people were saying that Davis and White should have won because they got a bigger standing ovation and that Virtue and Moir's FD wasn't that good. (Again, not trying to start a fight - just putting out the opinions of many posters here and in other forums because it is similar IMO to what Zhulin said)
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    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I mean I'm not exactly impressed with P&B's FD either, and what he said is not terrible, but it is sad when a former coach slags their old students when they parted on such good terms as Zhulin and P&B did.
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    I see what you mean. No, I don't want to start the fight either :) I guess I wanted to clarify that he said something about the audience reaction that can probably be interpreted differently, but not "we should have won" outright. Also some posters already started comparing his words with Kustarova who always blamed the judges and I thought this would be an important correction, that's all :)

    To Cherub721: yes, that part I wasn't happy about either, but my interpretation was that he thinks P/B deserve better material.
  39. Macassar88

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    Well Cup of Russia is this weekend - let's see if IK can get their 70+ SD and 100+ FD! :rofl:
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    Good interview. They both sound very level headed and self aware.
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