From Russia With Love - Autumn 2012

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 12, 2012.

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  1. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

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    Find 10 differences
    cats programme , waltz programme

    is it just me or they are pulling Kwan and skating the same programme to two different playbacks?
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  2. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    Another thing, Zhulin gave both BS and MK the same lift... That's a major choreographic no no. Look at Bobrova and Soloviev's first lift and compare it to Monko and Khaliavin's SD lift.

    Anyway I love the two different parts of Bobrova and Soloviev's free dance I just don't think they make sense together. Although none of that matters as long as they get their levels.

    Also, the goodthing about Kavaguti and SMirnov not doing cats is that we won't have to hear commentators joke about her cat like reflexes or landing like a cat every time they perform
  3. ostile17

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    B/S FD screams Pethukov to me. Didn't he join Zhulin's team? I see lots of Domshabs moves here and the style reminds me a lot of Pethukov's work. Anyway, the first part seems promising, but after that, as someone else pointed out already, it turns into a hot mess.
    What happened to their lines, anyway??
  4. iris81

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    Yes, you are right. I also rewatched Zlobina-Sitnikov FD, and they also have this lift :D
  5. kirkbiggestfan

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    I want to see Smirnov in a cat outfit!!! We were robbed. (I guess I should display my fantasies in public)
  6. zotza

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    I loved it.I was pretty dissapointed but this is what I was expecting from them.Finally.Really,who could say that B/S can explode the way they do at the second part.
    It doesn't smell Petukhov to me apart from some connecting steps,but he's working in the group anyway so he may have had involvement.
    I saw their lines. Is that the new "let's destroy B/S" motto for the season?
    Honestly,hands off to them for going there,I honestly wish V/M would try to do something like this (who already have their titles and are not risking)

    I was dissapointed by R/T.Whoever did that program lost all the imagery that the music has.It was as if you were trying to see a painting that just wasn't there.I wanted to choreograph inside the neverending crossovers.
    S/Z looked more junior than last year that they were Juniors.
    I like P/G and I usually don't.But Guerreiro was very expressive
  7. ostile17

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    No, no, I actually love them to bits, just can't see their lines anymore, or anything fresh in the choreo after a promising start.
  8. hanca

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    I think Maisuradze with his new partner should definitely be better than Tarasova/Morozov. Tarasova/Morozov definitely have potential, but they are still juniors.
  9. love_skate2011

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    much much better Im beginning to love this SP , If only she would rid of her horrible LP :(
  12. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I thought the vocals weren't allowed until after Sochi.... :confused:

    Anyway, LOVE! This will be my fave of the season for sure. Can't help but grin ear to ear watching this girl... she is infectious! Not sure why she is shooting someone in the beginning :rofl:....

    I'm not sure if it was just the camera angle, but I hope she actually does start the program with her butt towards the judges :respec: Nice to see a girl with curves!
  13. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    I love Sotnikova's program. That 3-3 was awesome.

    Leonova's program looks like a lot of fun. Her expression is just so happy and infectious.
  14. love_skate2011

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  16. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    Korobeynikova's dress is gorgeous.

    Sometimes, I really thing that Moskvina is still creating programs with B&S in mind, even if the team in front of her is nothing like them. That's how I felt watching K&S's SP.
  17. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I wouldn't say disaster.... Smirnov was still able to complete the lifts. If it had been serious he would have stopped. Hope he is ok. :)

    I loved that opening pose. Beautiful flowing program... this is the style that works for them. Yes, I too couldn't help but think of B&S, sigh.
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    I can't believe Smirnov was able to lift Kavaguti and throw her after that jump landing, which is where he first appeared to be hurting. They looked so good until then.

    Too bad about the cats program: it was, thankfully, not set to a track from "Ferrante and Teicher Play 'Arpeggios for Dummies'" like every second program at the test skate. One of the highlights was Moskvina skating on in the middle to demonstrate.
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    I think Yuko really looks good in that style. I think Smirnov hurt his back doing that first lift-it looked like he was one foot and off balance. The jump after that didn't help. I hope they add more to it and make it better.

    And please keep the 3T+3T+Seq :D

    I love the music and I would love to see her in a pretty dress...please...for once!
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    I can't wait to see her costume! :eek:
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    They are not. I guess she used vocals because Test Skaters are more or less exhibition. Last year I/K skated their FD to a random Russian song, instead of their version of Ave Maria, this year Voronov also used vocal version of Nino Rota's Romeo & Juliet instead of instrumental one to skate his LP (Bariev used instrumental "Phantom of the Opera", though. I guess it was because it is his last year LP).
  25. hanca

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    I am not that impressed with the 3-3. It was 'only' toe loop-toe loop, whereas she can do much harder combinations, such as Lutz-Loop.
  26. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    For me, it wasn't about the types of jumps done, but that both jumps were big and clean. A well done 3-3 is always impressive to me regardless of if the skater is doing easier or harder jumps.
  27. love_skate2011

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    I think it's horrible. Well, the 1st part isn't so bad, but the 2nd part had me cringing.
  29. Kasey

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    I despair of Voronov ever having decent posture, or getting step sequences that go to the music while with Morosov. But the programs could have potential. (And I liked Menshov and Bariev as well)
  30. love_skate2011

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    who made them skate to juniorish music . of course no one else but...
    Free Victoria and Ruslan :soapbox:
  31. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    I agree.

    Send them to Svinin & Zhuk. Now their skaters have good choreo.

    Menshov's programs are awesome. I just hope he can skate them perfectly at least once.

    P&G SD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aWMHmtJQhk&feature=plcp
  32. Eislauffan

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    I was at the test skates today and yesterday, will also go on Saturday and Sunday.

    Kawaguchi/Smirnov:
    He said that he hurt his back on Wednesday already but that it is nothing serious. I actually saw them in their "Cats" outfit in St. Petersburg on Monday. His costume was greywith some "fur" parts, her costume was white with pink "fur". No real fur, to be clear. Fake fur. Looked cute. You might see these costumes later as they probably keep the program for galas. I talked with them about changing the program. Yuko said that "Cats" is good for exhibition, but she didn't feel that it was a good competitive program for them. The Waltz program is okay, but given that the did Waltz before in exhibition and as their long program, I think it is too boring. I really like their long program, though. This romantic style suits them and the music is something nobody has ever used before, I'm pretty sure.

    A. Sotnikova
    I loved the attack in that SP.

    A. Leonova
    I liked the first half better than the second half. I felt the lyrics were taking away from the program. Luckily she won't use lyrics in competition.
  33. equatorial

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    I don't find S/Z's SD horrible at all. On the contrary, it's refreshing, and, generally, skated well.
  34. love_skate2011

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    I doubt Svinin/Zhuk will accept because they will have direct competition with their arch rivals Stepanova/Bukin .

    Im thinking Camerlegnco/Krylova or even Zueva, they don't need much technically
    because they have good level step sequences, fast twizzles and ice coverage
    they need to go to a choreographer specialist.
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    Pushkash/Guerreiro
    I enjoyed their SD to "Quidam" (Cirque du soleil). To me it was the only one that looked as a whole program not like "Polka" and something else. I am not convinced about the FD. Jonathan said that it is still unpolished as they focused on the SD, but to me that was not the problem. All these "Tristan and Isolde" programs look similar to me and I just hate that "water gulping" where also everybody who ever skated to this music is doing the same (well, not much choice there to interpret this part).

    K. Menshov
    Always voidy and trying so hard. Good for him to hit the two quads today.

    Riazanova/Tkachenko
    I enjoyed their FD, even though it is similar to last year's, and they probably should not have used a Waltz but maybe saved it for next year if this is their favourite style. It is something that suits them well, but more versatility would be good. The style might be the same this year but the execution has improved.
    When they started with another Waltz from "My Fair Lady" in the SD, I felt it really is enough. I feel the "My Fair Lady" theme suits them, but it is too much waltz from them.
  38. IceIceBaby

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    Why aren't Trankov and Volosozhar doing the test skates?
    And what about Plushenko?
  39. Ladida

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    I love the second part of R/T SD. Fortunately not another funeral program.
  40. Eislauffan

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    Sinitsina/Zhiganshin
    I think they look fresh and precise. Their Tango program is a conservative choice, but maybe good for their first senior year. Their Tennessee Waltz and Polka are cute. They are a young team, and they look young, and they still need to work on their expression.
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