From Russia With Love - Autumn 2012

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 12, 2012.

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  1. easilydistracte

    easilydistracte Active Member

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    I still wish they'd go back to their "Cats" SP or, at the very least, find some different waltz music. (Yuko's hair reminds me of the heroines' hairdos in those epic martial arts movies set in ancient China. And yes, I am a fan--of those movies and K&S!)
     
  2. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    You weren't kidding :yikes:
     
  3. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

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  4. MysticHaze

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    The new rink is really nice! Looking forward to seeing more vids of this competition from there.
     
  5. BittyBug

    BittyBug Kiteless

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    The music is atrocious, but they skated extremely well (other than the twist) and the choreo is pretty good. Quite a good outing for this early in the season.

    I think she looks cute.
     
  6. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Sasha

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    How old is Kovtun? Who is his coach?

    His jumps are not that good; they seem labored. He has time to improve though. Right now I don't think he can challenge Gachinski.
     
  7. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    I like Yuko's hair! :confused: :cheer:
     
  8. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    Bobrova and Soloviev win Finlandia, but they lost the free skate. They had the highest program components, but their tech marks were lower than those of Capellini and Lanotte.
     
  9. Sedge

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    He's 17.

    He is newly coached by Buianova with an assist from Tarasova.

    Here is the greatest youtube I have watched this season...of Tarasova watching him at hi performance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ip--aU9_Rc

    Reposting the link from about a month ago.
     
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  10. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pufH2Vmmn20&feature=g-all-u
    Bobrova and Soloviev FD

    They fixed her camel spin so now she does the donut position that I love. Her layback is great as well.
    Not sure why they only got level 2 on the twizzles - they looked fine to me
    As for why their Curve Lift only got level 2, there was an issue with Bobrova getting into her position, and they didn't hold the position long enough.
     
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  11. DaiKozOda

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    Russian Fed Cup results
    Pairs

    1 - Kavaguti & Smirnov 195.03pts
    2 - Stolbova & Klimov 180.89pts
    3 - Novikova & Novoselov 148.80pts
    4 - Ashtakova & Rump 142.69pts
    5 - Kuklina & Pethukov 135.61pts
    According to what I've read on a blog, Bermaternykh got injuried after a fall so he and Petaykina had to withdrew.

    Dance
    1 - Pushkash & Guerreiro 142.81pts :rollin:
    2 - Sinitsina & Zhiganshin 142.67pts
    3 - Starygyna & Volobuev 120.07pts
    4 - Polikarpova & Kirilov 109.01pts
    5 - Baturintseva & Nevsky 103.49pts

    Men

    1 - Konstantin Menshov 233.25pts :cheer:
    2 - Sergei Voronov 230.28pts
    3 - Artur Gachinski 219.00pts
    4 - Ivan Bariev 216.59pts
    5 - Mark Shymatkov 198.46pts

    Ladies
    Shelepen was injuried on her ankle and withdrew after the SP

    1 - Nicole Gosviyani 159.29pts
    2 - Polina Korobeynikova 154.12pts
    3 - Sofia Buryukova 147.08pts
    4 - Valentina Tchernyshova 146.29pts
    5 - Alexandra Deeva 114.41pts
     
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  12. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Upset! Love it!
     
  13. Katarzyna

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    This is marvellous! Thank you for reposting the link! I hope TAT is always having a defibrillator with her, because at times she looks like she might get a heart attack! Now thatÂ’s what I call commitment to a job! :)


    Yeah for Menshov! I saw him at Nebelhorn Trophy and he already seems to be in pretty good shape. (He did a quad during the final of the Gala!). Ivan Bariev also must have skated pretty well - he is not that much behind Gachinski. Also good to see Kovtun performing so well in the JGP, very impressing skate! Looks like the Russian men are finally on the rise again! :cheer:

    Any video links to the Russia Fed Cup? In particular Men & Ladies? And Protocols?
     
  14. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    Here are some pictuers from the Federation Cup. There are some really great costumes from some of the skaters. :)
     
  15. Jemestone

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    ^No videos besides K/S. No protocols either. It was a closed test skate.
     
  16. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    DaiKozOda already posted the scores above (and mention Bermaternykh got injured, I hope he's ok) here's the more detailed scores for all the skaters. I don't know if the protocols will be published, they usually make it online somehow.

    I'm hope more of the skaters will make it onto youtube, I'm sure they all were recorded I guess we'll have to hope.
     
  17. misskarne

    misskarne #ForzaJules #KeepFightingMichael

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    :eek::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    Looks like from the pics Artur took a fall. Early days yet. Looking forward to the GP. Do Menshov and Voronov have GPs?

    Also, Artur's shirt appears to be totally see-through. :lol:
     
  18. dinakt

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    Menshov has Skate America and Cup of Russia. I really like him. He is voidy, his jumps are huge and he is an older guy who keeps working like a dog and keeps getting better.
    Not sure about Voronov's GP.
     
  19. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Someone needs to work with Lipnitskaya on her clear lack of flow. She still isn't holding her moves and is now finishing every jump and spin with a little hop because she had no momentum left. It's extremely distracting.

    She also needs to know that if she holds her I spin for more than 8 revs in her combination spin, the same feature cannot be counted again for her closing layback spin.
     
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    Kavaguti-Smirnov do the same. After every jump, instead of holding and then step forward they just hop forward as if they intended to do a combination.
     
  22. DaiKozOda

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  23. Macassar88

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    I know - it's really annoying and breaks up the flow. If I were a judge, I'd penalize them, but sadly I'm not.
     
  24. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Voronov has Cup of China and NHK.
     
  25. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    It has more to do with the choreographer than skill because it's not every time. I don't think it breaks the flow at all as long as that's what the choreographer intended.

    2009 Worlds SP
    2010 Worlds FS

    Also, here are the protocols from Fed Cup
     
  26. hanca

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h09Fi5NFiU&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LL7TnY5tFxyZcWa849N5eaTA
    take notice at 1:17 - after triple toe loop and at 2:16 after spin. That's exactly what Marco described Lipnitskaya is doing.

    And here another program
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BYMPD_Q-xQ&feature=plcp&list=PLDAB653EE8B76FAA4
    0:40 after their jump combination
    and again at 3:04 after their axel

    So in this years FS two side-by-side jump elements and in both they do it and in this years SP one side-by-side jump element and they again do it.
     
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  27. caseyedwards

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    So a lot of GachInskis problems were level one spins because he landed a quad and 3a's
     
  28. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    It has nothing to do with K/S skills as spinners or jumpers; take it up with the choreographer. It's no different then skaters who put their other foot behind them after the jump is completed. Are you suggesting they do this as a balance check? Is it more aesthetically pleasing or is it just another way the choreographer exits a skill? There aren't many creative ways out of a skill for a choreographer to come up with. But a skater should be penalized for it just because you don't like it.
     
  29. hanca

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    No, what I am suggesting is that if Kavaguti-Smirnov can do the tiny hop after all jumps and one spin this season because it is a part of their choreography, it may be that Lipnitskaya is doing it from exactly the same reason - because her choreographer designed the program that way.
     
  30. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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