From Russia With Love - Autumn 2012

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 12, 2012.

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  1. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Anyone is better than Morozov! Igor's programs are pretty boring from what we've seen so far, but at least they're not.... whatever it is that I&K are doing. At this point I would consider Tchaikovskaya to be an improvement!
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  3. robinhood

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    Well that program is ridiculous:rolleyes:...perhaps they are teasing us and will change the music later on but, somehow, I feel this is one of Morozov's great ideas and "innovations" like putting lyrics in Amodio's programs.
    It's really frustrating cauze, OTOH, I think they're skating better than ever:(
  4. Macassar88

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    So you want two Russian dance teams to do Godfather to complement the two Russian pairs doing it?
  5. shan

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    :fragile: I can't believe it is Ghost the Musical. I had myself convinced that it was Ghost (that other movie w/ the Desplat soundtrack). I mean who would pick this for a program?????? Oh dear, they just continue to struggle to get it right. The SD will be a change from perky polkas, but that FD :scream:
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Not sure if you have ever seen the movie... the first part portrays the love story between the characters. There is a famous scene where they make clay sculptures to the music of Unchained Melody. In the middle, he gets shot in an apparent mugging. He then comes back as a ghost and finds out that the shooting was not random and he needs to save her life (which they don't really portray in their dance).
  7. VarBar

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    Hate this. Does no one in Morozov's camp care about subtletly and realize that sometimes less is more?:rolleyes:
  8. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    B&S fans should thank Morozov very much for these craptastic programs for I&K.

    I think the Andijan polka could be good with some work, but that Ghost program :eek:
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  9. caseyedwards

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    I/K twizzles looked really good there in the ghost program. If that is their official free Dance then they can tie some time between their last gp and Russian nationals or euros to change it if judges don't like it and their pcs goes below 8's.
  10. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    I think Elena & Nikita have a great FD.
    The SD, I'm not so sure on. Mostly because the music really bugs me.

    You can tell that Elena hasn't been able to train as much because of her shoulder injury. She looks rather rusty.
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  11. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    For these complaining about the judges seeing B&S's progress, check out the protocols. Concentrate on the TES:
    They got 4 of 6 key points on the Yankee Polka.
    They got level 3 on the steps.
    And this is the beginning of the year.
    Last year at Worlds in the SD, they got only level 2 on their step (which is pretty much what they got all year)
    and only 3 of 6 key points on the rhumba
    Both times, the twizzles were only level 3.

    So they are starting this year on the technical side ahead of where they finished last year.
    I call that progress for sure.
    I'll bet their PCS go up at their next outing at CoC, and they may challenge Pechalat & Bourzat there!
  12. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    I wanted Elena/Nikita to solidify as Russia's no. 1, but that hideous OTT FD, is just soo....
    I guess B/S could still lead and stay at the top as Russian No. 1, I will have to look more on Stepanova/Bukin next season
  13. Proustable

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    W/P are also at China, so it should be interesting.
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    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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  15. casken

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    I just posted my disbelief and disgust over I&K's programs in another thread but I'll take it here.

    The ridiculousness of the FD has been pretty well covered, but the SD...

    It really doesn't matter what the music/style is when all the choreography happens while standing in place, and the rest of the program is just them skating around without any attention to the music. There was nothing choreographically going on between the twzzles and the sbs sequence.

    For real though. I just got done criticizing it, but B&S's porgram is a masterpiece compared to this crap.

    You were saying. :p
  16. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    After the splat-fest that was Skate America, I'm just a little nervous for Artur at Skate Canada this week...come on boy, cause an upset, I know you can.
  17. dinakt

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    I/K FD. I find it almost unwatchable. What is Morozov doing with people whom I considered absolute stars just over a year ago... In a recent interview, though, they said that the muisc for their FD is being written; so i assume they are doing the same trick as last year and skating to a different music in competitions. Or so I hope. Morozov must be tone- deaf, and if they do not change music for smth. better I'll be watching I/K on mute.
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  18. Jemestone

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    Here's a better video of I/K's FD

    Also a better video of their SD
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    They had placement improvement- good start

    He was weak at the sochi test event hopefully he will be together and outdo menshov's fourth place- which would be his best showing at a gp I think.
  20. Macassar88

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    Also had a tech score increase - similar GOE (slightly higher) than WP and much higher base value
    Still being held down slightly in PCS IMO.
  21. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    I hate that Sotnikova lost the silver due to the rules :mad:


    The Fed must give them proper coaching on this so that she wouldn't become the female Oda :slinkaway
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  22. pinky166

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    I actually think she may not have necessarily beaten Christina has she done a solo 3lo, which has a BV of 5.61 after the halfway point, which is very close to what Christina beat her by, meaning depending on GOE, Christina could have still ended up ahead of Adelina. Adelina likely would have edged her out, but looking at numbers, the result would have been veryyy close indeed.
  23. Evilynn

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    I can't believe it's Ghost the Musical either, and that they used those parts. What the heck was Morozov smoking when he decided to use the Ghost-Dude-Gets-Shot scene, complete with dialogue? :yikes:
  24. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Just noticed Jemestone's location... is it really true that Berezhnaya is coaching now? That is so cool! Is it in Moskvina's group?
  25. TAHbKA

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    Yes
  26. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    That was tweeted about a while ago, anyone is lucky to have her! :cheer2:
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    She would have been the perfect coach for Lubov Iliushechkina.
  28. l'etoile

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    I love I/K's SD! I think I could watch it endlessly. Especially Elena looks so gorgeous in that dress and the program accentuates her eccentric beauty:swoon: But they do need to polish up their pattern dance, it was little messy. As for the FD... Is Morozov losing his touch?! With his dreadful choreography for some singles skaters aside, I thought at least with this team, he would give his best shot and make them a champion as he's been saying so blatantly. I don't know maybe I'm just under this impression because I don't like the music cut at all and it is just their first outing. But seriously:mad:
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    http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/5649.html

    Elena says in this interview that it wasn't the full version of the FD - fingers crossed that means they have a different music edit for competition.

    ETA: She also said they won't be in Nice this week, but instead they're doing a competition in Romania next week and then going back to Novogorsk to train with Denis Samokhin.
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    ...because there is at least 1 minute more of talking!
    when i watched the thing for the first time, i thought of the dialogues between Barbie and Ken in Aqua's Barbie Girl.
  31. Macassar88

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    http://rsport.ru/interview/20121022/625091430.html#ixzz2A3LUQhMs
    Article with Maxim Staviski's thoughts on Skate America -
    Basically, he says that he was quite impressed and surprised with how much improvement Bobrova and Soloviev, especially Dimitri, made. He says that Davis and White were overmarked and that he things that both of Bobrova and Soloviev's dances are great. He says that he likes all three SD's from the top teams and that they are all very different. He says that Davis and White's pattern is too small. He says that Bobrova and Soloviev can beat Davis and White based on what he's seen this season both in competition and in practice.

    Obviously he has to say amazing things about Bobrova and Soloviev, but I doubt that they will beat Davis and White. That said, I definitely think that, if they keep going after Sochi, they can be gold medal contenders in Pyongchang.
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  32. caseyedwards

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    Davis and Whites PCS makes them totally unreachable!! It's not changing it's not going lower 10's are common. No team is going anywhere against them or virtue moir until they are retired! Then dance will go back to the times of cop when all the medalist could be separated by 1,2, or 3 points not 15!!
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  33. babayaga

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    Sorry for the correction, but I think he said the opposite - that everyone is too focused on key-points only, but W/P paid attention to the entire pattern, all the steps were performed correctly on good edges.
  34. Macassar88

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    Oops - read it wrong
    Will go back and edit it. That's what I get for speed reading during exam study periods...
  35. Macassar88

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    So I watched the CBC video of the top 3 Dance FD's, and they loved Bobrova and Soloviev. It seemed like Kurt Browning knew that they were going to beat Weaver and Poje after the two teams both skated.
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/figureskating/video/#id=2295092047
    It's a bit of the way in - pretty good quality too.
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    ^^ Thanks very much for the link. I found that Canadian commentators did a much better job explaining all the improvements that Bobrova/Soloviev made than the Russian ones.
  37. love_skate2011

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    Tuk Tuk interview in Canada :cheer2:

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  38. l'etoile

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    I just love Liza's confidence:swoon: I see no one else beating her at SC, so I hope she defends her SC title!
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    :) I just adore this young lady! Good luck Tuk Tuk!
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    I hope she does amazing! She already looked pretty good in St. Petersburg - much better than I had expected considering her injuries. Hopefully she does even better at each competition! She's such a talent for Sochi and beyond!
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