From Russia With Love - Autumn 2012

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 12, 2012.

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  1. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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  4. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    [QUOTE wow that was my favorite program from the pairs so far... just gorgeous. :inavoid:[/QUOTE]

    me too :hat1:
     
  7. julieann

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    I can't wait to see them in competition!
     
  8. love_skate2011

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    too bad Martiusheva/Rogonov only get 1 GP as a host pick

    I know they are not that high on the ranking waiting list but I wish they had gotten the spot at Skate Canada when Gerboldt/Enbert withdrew :soapbox:

    on a good side we will see Martiusheva/Rogonov vs Stolbova/Klimov at Ondrej Nepala
     
  9. Lis

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    neither can I .Someone said they will be at the Ondrej Nepela Trophy.I would love to go there just to see them.
     
  10. Katarzyna

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    Then I indeed missed that during Euros / Worlds. I only remember that many people were wondering when Tatiana Volosozhar kissed Maxim Trankov on his mouth after they finished their programme. - Which does not necessarily indicate that they are an off-ice couple. :confused:

    Even without hitting all jumps perfectly - lovely programm! I just love fluid and elegant skaters. :cheer2:
     
  11. casken

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    Am I only the person to find everything so far incredibly disappointing?

    I'm not even exaggerating. There's not *one* program so far out of these tests that I'm impressed with. I know it's early and programs have room to grow, but I can usually tell when a program has potential to be something, and none of these programs have it.

    I can't believe how disappointing V&T's programs are in particular.

    :blah:
     
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  12. Macassar88

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    So who actually won the test skates in each event? I'm especially interested in the comparison between the new Bobrova and Soloviev and the new Riazanova and Tkachenko to see who Russia seems to be backing. Obviously no Ilinykh and Katsalapov at the competition, but still interesting to see.
     
  13. misskarne

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    You must've not been paying attention to anything else then because Plushenko said outright that this is just the bones of the program and it's not complete yet.

    The motion you're talking about, he missed a spin and was indicating that that was where the spin would go.
     
  14. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    They're just demonstrations... not scored. Some skaters also performed at Russian Cup events, so if you see any scores, that's from those.
     
  15. Cherub721

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    Ice dancing has been incredibly disappointing, except that P&G have been a pleasant surprise.... but I did like S&K and M&R in pairs, Plushy's LP, Makarova's LP, and Leonova's SP.
     
  16. martyross

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    the costume is interesting. i spent the whole time watching it and trying to figure what it is about. a white swan whose transformation in black went wrong on one side, or a black swan who just couldnt get totally white?
    the program may be about the life and the death of a swan. thats why they play Danse macabre in the end, i guess.
     
  17. misskarne

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    I don't know exactly what it's meant to be, but it's gorgeous. I love it.

    IIRC, I think Plushenko was going to do a Swan program back in the late 90s, but for whatever reason, it got shelved. So this is the second time in his comeback that he's gone back to his teenage years.

    Maybe he should do that more often. I would be very interested to see him re-interpreting some of his programs from when he was 15/16/17. Of course the rules have changed since then, but he's also changed.
     
  18. babayaga

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    I didn't like much, but I think both Bobrova/Soloviev's programs are terrific, I will be cheering for the to do well this year with all my heart. I think Kawaguti/Smirnov's long is beautiful and Sotnikva's short will be great for her. Stolbova/Klimov always have interesting choreography.

    I am not a fan V/T's programs too, but I am not disappointed since I probably didn't expect much to begin with.
     
  19. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    My expectation was low but as pleasantly surprised by Makarova and even by Plushenko (by each segment, not yet by the whole program of course). V&T's short program was alright and could be great if they could add more chemistry into it. The free skate looks like it needs a lot more mileage if not more choreography / transitions in the second half.

    Too bad Lipnitskaya and Tuk did not skate.
     
  20. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Yes he skipped some jumps and spins so perhaps that's why it looked even more bare bones than usual. Although, having said that, Plushenko was never one of those who would add significant transitions into his programs as the season went on so I wouldn't sit on the edge of my seat waiting for that to happen. :p

    He used to do a decent arabesque spiral, and I would love to see him do one, maybe in the first or second segment. Please, no more painful looking Biellmann spirals. :p

    Did Stannick Jeannette of France use to wear a similar costume about 10 years ago? Perhaps also while he was skating to Rondo?
     
  21. bmcg

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    Well all I did was watch the program and listen to the music so of course I wasn't paying attention to anything else ;) My comment was a response to posts that seemed in awe of this wonderful LP and I was wondering what they had watched. Obviously not the same thing as you and I since you yourself recognize just the bones.

    As for the rest of the videos I watched. Not thrilled with any of the ice dance in general but I usually warm to them as the season progresses. I was surprised to find myself enjoying K&S's LP. If she could just learn to point those toes!!
     
  22. misskarne

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    Regardless of the prevailing beliefs on this site Plushenko and his team aren't stupid. They have had to learn a very hard fast lesson about program structure. They will never win in the eyes of people on here because they simply cannot backload his program or throw the kitchen sink into it. His body can't take that. They do what they can do. He is already doing more transitions than ever before and I would not be surprised if they put more in. He already said in an interview that they will.

    ...and at least he stays on his feet. Unlike some.

    I agree with you on the spiral. He had a beautiful arabesque spiral and I love that much more than his Biellmann. It's a shame we didn't see it that often.
     
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    LOL, thatswhy he did a motion? Because I wondered about it and I thought he waved to someone to fast forward the cd:lol:
     
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    Does anyone know P/G's SD music? I'm kind of obsessed.
     
  25. inskate

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    Cirque du Soleil: Quidam soundtrack. The first part is called Marelle, the second one - Zydeko. :)
     
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  26. Taso

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    I'm almost never online anymore and I'm just now watching some of these Russian programs, and I can't even believe that's Plushenko doing that first footwork sequence. This Saint-Saens medley works so well for him, I'm totally beyond impressed - I've always respected the hell out of him, but I'd never expect such a change in style of movement at the age of 30 from ANYONE :respec:

    All I did was go ahead and watch programs that good reviews, and I'm ok with that....:p

    Leonova's sp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3OgwkQRwzQ

    Great program for her, this is awesome :) And she should seriously consider skating in a catsuit for the future, damn

    V&T's lp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpljTe75gVg&list=UUjaUiznBS9O3SeqwqlIc4UQ&index=8&feature=plcp
    Well the opening was really promising, but it totally lost focus for me. Then again, Black Swan did the same early on last year and they held it together much better by Worlds, so I'm not super worried in the long term.

    S&K's lp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byOWKU_bL4&list=UUjaUiznBS9O3SeqwqlIc4UQ&index=31&feature=plcp
    For whatever reason I've loved this team from the moment I first saw them and I've never understood the dislike towards them from posters here who usually share similar tastes to my own (though I'm often concerned about their seeming lack of speed). I love that they make use of the head and are "stretching" into the music (don't know how else to work that). Really like this program too, well done - I really want them in the Russian top 3, and this choreography and performance quality should totally take them there IMO :)

    S&K's sp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtOSqt0XyI&feature=related
    And their sp was great too, loved the footwork sequence where they actually, you know, came in contact with each other with holds of about the same difficulty of CoP ice dance (good for S&K, pathetic for CoP dance :p) Does anyone know if the LP is a continuation of their sp? Has anyone done this since the days of Candeloro?!!!!

    P&G's SD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aWMHmtJQhk&list=UUjaUiznBS9O3SeqwqlIc4UQ&index=28&feature=plcp
    PREFECT vehicle for this otherwise really disjointed SD theme! They're moving about 100 times better than I've ever seen from them in the past with about five times the musical nuances interpretted :)
     
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  27. caseyedwards

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    http://en.ria.ru/sports/20120916/175997797.html

    This article gets something wrong - Gachinski has worked with David Wilson - and it is not that Gachinski didn't do two quads in a FS but now he wants to do Salchow and Toe and not two quad toe loops. Brezina and Fernandez both attempt salchow and toe loop quads.
     
  28. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I had no idea V&T were an off ice couple. She did kiss him last year in the K&C (I think) but I didn't read much into it.

    ITA about Plushenko. I don't care if he wins a medal or not. He is a legend and we are lucky to watch a skater who competed at senior worlds at age 15 (and even won a medal) and who still wants to compete at age 30 (or 31 or 32). His passion for the sport is unbelievable. He has fought through injuries, surgeries, rule changes, and criticism, to do what he loves to do. He has my respect.
     
  29. Frau Muller

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    I thought that she was married to Morozov, their coach (& her former partner). Ir maybe she still is and I am too old fashioned. :lol:
     
  30. Cherub721

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    They referred to each other as husband and wife in the common law sense. It was a long term relationship. I am assuming it's over now. :rofl:
     
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