From Russia With Love - 3

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Eislauffan, Jan 23, 2011.

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  1. let`s talk

    let`s talk Banned Member

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    I know. Also Dai landed 4F in practice and Plush landed 4Lutz. I think it's time for us to finally see a new quad landed in competitions, not in practice only. That would be really great methinks.;)
     
  2. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

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    Menshov didn't try yet the quad loop in competition, I think and it is unlikely he would do so at Worlds if he gets to be sent. He practiced the quad loop over the summer but I don't think he has been doing it lately.
    Anyway, the Russian Federation wanted to determine their Worlds team based on the result from Europeans. Konstantin Menshov is not very constistent, let's face it. If he skates at Worlds in the short program like he did at Europeans, he probably wouldn't even make the Final. It is not like he bombed for the first time.
    I guess the Federation will also see how Sergei Voronov skates this week at the Universiade. He did a clean short already (but only 3T-3T for his combo).

    I feel sorry for Konstantin Menshov, I would be happy for him if he can compete at Worlds. As for retirement, I don't think so. He said at Russian Nationals that he might go on until Sotchi if he is healthy and still enjoying to compete.
     
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  3. joeperryfan

    joeperryfan Well-Known Member

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    There's also the video of the photoshoot:
    Ultraporny photoshoot

    Does anyone know if ProSport is connected to RIANovosti or if it's just a joint video they did?
     
  4. Autumn_girl

    Autumn_girl Active Member

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    Maybe we should wait one from Artur Dmitriev, jr? AFAIK he can do 4T, 4S and 4Lo
     
  5. Domshabfan

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    When Kevin Reynolds claimed he had 4Lo, i thought he probably will perform at
    Canadian nationals, instead he under-rotated his jumps. So with Dmitriev Jr,and his past performance from this season he would do the same.
     
  6. aliona22

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    Roman Serov could do a quad loop too. He attempted them in competition but never landed one.
     
  7. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Voronov, in the FS video from Universiade, looks like he reinjured his foot/ankle.
     
  8. misskarne

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    Plushenko did attempt the 4Lz at CoR 2001. He nearly made it too; two-footed it, tried not to put his hand down...and splatted on his butt :shuffle:

    He never tried it in competition again after that. I wonder why?
     
  9. caseyedwards

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    My theory is that he was landing it but not really that well. So when he tried it and fell rather than become overly concerned with landing it they just tossed it for strategy. Or maybe he hurt himself.
     
  10. Asli

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    Oh no! He never gets a break! :(
     
  11. Asli

    Asli Well-Known Member

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    But since Gorshkov, the president of the Russian federation, has said that Gachinki will go to the Worlds, isn't that official information?
     
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    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

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  13. senorita

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    They would send Voronov at Worlds?
    I prefer Menshov than Arthur, he is older, he is the national champion, he performed the Lp great and he has entertaining programs, i think Arthur might crack and his programs are not well this season, unless he would bring back the narcissus program, which I doubt.
     
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    They promote each other.
     
  15. let`s talk

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    Rukavitsyn said to gazeta.ru that if Menshov skates the way he did in his LP in Bern, he will be an equal competitor for Plush, and even he can win him over. I think it means that Menshov is not planning to retire, for now.

    Technically it should be the executive committee's decision. Maybe Rukavitsyn meant that official papers are not available yet.
     
  16. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I am behind on this. Does Russia have just one mens spot at worlds this year?
     
  17. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Yes.

    And I wasn't suggesting that Voronov would maybe go to worlds; just commenting on what it seemed to have happened based on the free skate video. I wouldn't be surprised if he's relieved this season is over.
     
  18. senorita

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    ^ Voronov would be a better choice than the 3, he has more experience and when he is on he gets better marks than the other 3. I was just too surprised if RF would do something like this against the nationals results. Ok not TOO surprised but the contradiction with all the talking and US team selection would be huge. (stil I hope he gets back to Urmy)
    Now a 17 year old on his first trip to worlds needs to do very well, thats risky.
     
  19. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    I love Sergei, but the poor kid hasn't been "on" all year unfortunately. Gachinski beat Voronov's Universiade score by 12 points ith his Euros performance....I guess that's earning it.
     
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  20. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    Yeah...experience...but he wasn't competing this season internationally at all (and if he was, he withdrew after the SP) except for the Universiade. And he was beaten by both, Menshov AND Gachinski (and even Zhan Bush) at Russian Nats, so...
    But even if Voronov is brought into this discussion...why not consider Borodulin who won Estonian Nats after all? :rolleyes:

    And I highly doubt Urmy would take Voronov back.
     
  21. Nomad

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    It's a crapshoot no matter whom they send. Voronov has been to World's four times but only achieved a top ten finish once, and that was three years ago.
     
  22. DELTA

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    He needs to gain experience. As for the Worlds result itself, there's not nothing to gain this year.
     
  23. senorita

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    ^ I know but it looks Arthur will have a huge load on his shoulders to bring back spots for Nice , thats all.
    Voronov reminds me of Abt in the sence of bad luck and injuries. And I hope Borodulin wont follow the same path. The last season was going so good for him until worlds, and I read somewhere when they reported last Worlds that the blade to break is 1/100000.. (dont remmeber how many zeros here).. possibility, less probable than winning the lottery.
     
  24. TAHbKA

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    Voronov is still injuried and can only do the toe jumps. Since he is no Laura Lepisto I doubt he can make it to the top 10 with only toe loop, loop and axel. Especially since he is not the most consistent skater ever.

    Gachinski is injured as well, but his coach will not let him heal anyway. He is indeed only 17 and needs to gain experience and reputation to become Pluschenko n.2. That is, if he doesn't follow Shabalin's path with his knee.

    Menshov is indeed the champion, but so far at his only big competition he managed to completely bomb his sp. No one promises that at worlds his LP would be like it was at the SP.

    Bottom line - Russia has plenty of mediocre skaters, but no one who would be a safe bet to be sent to worlds. Assume it will be up to the reputation, coach, blah blah....
     
  25. Ziggy

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    Menshov is very inconsistent.

    Gachinski seem a bit more consistent but being so young, at his first Worlds... I am betting on him bombing too. :p
     
  26. Kasey

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    He's a Russian male skater of the last 10 years other than Plush or Yagudin....odds are good for bombing! ;)
     
  27. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    It's basically a matter of sending the one who will embarrass them the least. :slinkaway
     
  28. barbk

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    That is a very cute video -- no need to understand Russian.
     
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    Yes: two Russian men started at last year's Worlds. Borodulin had trouble with his blade -- I think it broke -- and had to withdraw. He received 18 points for not making the FS. Voronov needed to be top 10 for 28 points or less to earn two spots for Tokyo, and he came in 14th.

    It's such a shame because it so much harder for one man to make top 10 to get two spots than it is for two men to keep two spots.
     
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