From Russia With Love - 2012 Off Season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Eislauffan, Apr 18, 2012.

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  1. Michalle

    Michalle New Member

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    I'm still sad that I/K left Zhulin in the first place. Sigh. I loved their junior worlds programs the year they destroyed the competition.
  2. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    a Kustarova APOCALYPSE !!! :2faced:

    the talented Sinitsina/Zhiganshin has also moved to Nechaeva & Chesnichenko
    GOOBYE KUSTAROVA and GOOD RIDDENS !
  3. DaiKozOda

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    What?
  4. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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  5. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    There first senior season was such a failure and they were tired of only ever working with Volkov.
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    The Russian Fed could book a charter to Detroit at this rate.
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  7. Anya

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    The user on the Russian forum, who poster the news about Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, has proved to be very unreliable in the past. Hardly any of his 'news' turned out to be true.
  8. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I like Nechaeva & Chesnichenko (great ODs with Samuelson/Bates but need some new choreographers for FDs) so I hope that it's true.

    As an I&K fan I am very jealous that all these other teams are moving to good coaches. :(
  9. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    Interview with Dimitri

    http://rsport.ru/interview/20120425/593599061.html

    Apparently there was an offer from Krylova to work with her, but they chose Zhulin instead. I don't understand completely, but I think it may have been that they didn't want to be in the same group as Weaver/Poje as well as Pechalat/Bourzat.

    - Поговаривали о том, что Анжелика Крылова хочет поработать с российской парой. Не было желания перебраться в Штаты?

    - Да, было такое предложение, и мы тоже над ним думали. Но у Крыловой есть канадская пара (Кэйтлин Уивер/Эндрю Поже), и трудно было сказать, на кого бы сделали ставку. А Жулин обещал, что будет с нами работать и полностью менять, приглашать специалистов из разных областей – и по актерскому мастерству, и по хореографии, будем работать над костюмами.

    They said that working hard on their technique as well as their image on ice. They mentioned starting from zero which probably means skating skills and posture issues.

    Their PCS were already really high for what they were doing. Imagine how much higher they'll be with these improvements. Also, I hope that they can work on getting their levels especially on footwork and pattern dances because they weren't having trouble with the other elements for the most part.
  10. Macassar88

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    I think that going to Zhulin may actually be better than Krylova just because Krylova had a reputation for being too OTT, and that may make judges less likely to give Bobrova and Soloviev a chance.
  11. zotza

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    I liked the interview.It seems they clearly understood all the problems and want to change things radically.
    I prefer Zhulin to Krylova too,he's good at doing exactly what B/S need: packaging and choreography.
  12. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    This.

    But I am so happy to see more couples going to Zhulin. The programs from the Azerbajanis this season were my highlight. The Junior Worlds program from I/K were stunning. He has great and voidy ideas and I cannot wait to see it all.

    But the combination from Zhulin (voidy) an B/S (dry as rice) is weird. I wonder who will prevail. ;)
  13. caseyedwards

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    The Gold and Silver positions are not voidy at all. Maybe P/B were voidy with their Mummy program but one mistake and they would have been off the podium again to non voidy W/P like last year with non-voidy S/S.
  14. Ziggy

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    Great decision by Bobrova/Soloviev. They need a style injection and posture/lines revamp (she's almost horizontal :p) and Zhulin can do that, I think.
  15. HisWeirness

    HisWeirness Yay, new board!

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    Same here. I still have hope for B/S since they were able to pull off that fun Russian sailors OD...:D
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  16. Ziggy

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    Epic program. :D

    But I also loved their Chess SD. It was simple but suited their style very well.
  17. shah

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    I think it's a good move on B/S side. I'm also glad they are aware of their flaws and are going to start from scratch. I really like this team and it was sad for me to see their technical regress (and Kustarova's constant whining about unjustified and unfounded low levels - oh well...).
    if only I/K stayed with Zhulin...

    as for Kustarova/Alexeeva - if the rumours about Sinitsina/Zhiganshin are true, it will truly be a disaster for them. first Monko/Khaliavin, now B/S, soon (hopefully) S/Z. at least they still have Yanovskaia/Mozgov (who are turned into Bobrova/Soloviev clones...).
  18. shah

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    their best programmes!

    otoh, they had 'Delilah' and a free dance to Il Divo's 'Adagio' :scream:
  19. Macassar88

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    Yes I liked that too.
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  20. BittyBug

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    I really liked that OD. :slinkaway
  21. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Kind of like Svinin & Zhuk... K&N split, Rubleva/Shefer retired, Pushgash/Guerreiro went to Linichuk, so now they just have Starygina/Volobiev and Stepanova/Bukin (according to wiki anyway). And frankly I thought they were much better coaches/more creative than Kustarova/Alexeeva. :shuffle:
  22. MarieM

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    Russian ice dance is looking like the Hunger Games of ice dancing :lol:
  23. Finnice

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    Yes, they were so fresh then! Like a good risotto, not dry rice to which Hedwig compared them.
  24. love_skate2011

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    well that could still be true
    everyone doubted B/S leaving Kustarova

    I am sure sooner or later S/Z will also leave them :shuffle:
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    I <3 Svinin and Zhuk.
  26. ~tapdancer~

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    I have to say that I hope B/S have some good fortune and improve. I have always enjoyed them, really loved their Sailor OD and their R&J FD so I would like to see them have some more success. They seem like such nice people, too!

    As far as I/K...I know she has a lot of fans but honestly when I watched them at WTT, I found myself glued to him, he seems to have a lot of personality on the ice. I like them, too, but I'd rather see B/S as Russian #1 for a while...they deserve it, especially if they can make some improvements.
  27. nuge

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    Remember Zhulin/PASHA number to Enigma ? Imagine if he gave them something in that style :eek:
  28. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    The problem is whatever voidy ideas he has, Tarasova can butt in with her opinions and have the Russian fed change it. She did it to DomShabs in 07-08 and R&T in 2010-11.
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    Well that's certainly disappointing.
  31. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    :cheer: :cheer2: :cheer:

    Part of me is a wee bit disappointed that Artur's not keeping his programs from this season. I usually despise recycled programs but I really loved his SP and thought the LP could be made into something amazing. But the other part of me is all :swoon: at the idea of Artur working with David Wilson!

    This is probably not as "bad" as it sounds since I imagine a skater of Plushy's level and experience is able to take in and memorise a lot of choreography very quickly.
  32. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Hm glad Mishin's skaters are using a new choreographer, but I'm not a fan of David Wilson.

    I hope Camerlango at least consulted with Plushenko about music and themes over e-mail or the phone prior to the meeting, otherwise I really don't see the point. I get that Plush would plan his jumps/elements layout beforehand and just have the choreographer add some flourishes, but what he really needs is new ideas so I hope Camerlango provided them.
  33. Macassar88

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    I guess they're trying to package Liza as the next Kim Yuna (with a triple loop)
  34. Anya

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    I do not have particularly high hopes for Gachinsky's and Tuktamysheva's programs "by Wilson". Mishin already had an experience of sending Lutai to Dickson and those who had been lucky enough to see run-throughs right after the returned from the States said that the programs looked great. Unfortunately, by the time the season was on the choreography was down to usual "set up - jump - pose - set up - jump" stuff typical for Mishin camp :( From what I heard Gachinsky collaboration with Lambiel last season went along the same lines.

    But I am keeping fingers crossed for better outcome this time around.
  35. Ziggy

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    Wilson's style doesn't seem to suit Gachinski's style at all, I am surprised at this decision.

    As for Liza, she needs to find her own style but I don't think she's a balletic pretty princess. I'd rather pick Tom Dickson for her and do something voidy. Wilson is much better with more classical programs.

    In other words, expect the usual crap. :p

    And this is the crux of the issue. :(
  36. FarFarAway

    FarFarAway Choice is an illusion

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    So you mean Mishin changes their choreo? I wonder why :(
  37. care bear

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    Maybe he thinks that choreo is not important at all, only jumps and spins are important, but for judges he has a name of Wilson to get higher PCS.
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    This.
  39. shine

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    No, he just takes it out. Because it's much easier to jump when you don't waste energy on unimportant transitions?
  40. Anya

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    Because according to him the only purpose of choreography is to produce a program which allow a skater to land his/her jumps :rolleyes: I do not recall an exact quote, but it went along the lines that a skater should be 'comfortable' with his program and 'comfortable' = 'landing jumps'. Anything that interferes with landing quads is not worth a bother.

    The sad thing is that Gachinsky, who has been asked about working with Lambiel on a number of occasions recently, always praised his skills, his ability to use blades and his entire body and so on, and I had a feeling that he is truly interested in developing this kind of skills in himself, but unfortunately I do not see it happening in his current camp :(
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