From Russia With Love - 2012 Off Season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Eislauffan, Apr 18, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    25,422
    That sounds serious. I love Liza and would hate to see her miss the GP series.
     
  2. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    1,501
    I hope not, she still has a month and a couple of weeks before the start of her 1st GP assignment. thought yes I always get scared when I see a "Ligament" sort of injury even if it is called a minor type.
     
  3. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Away

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2011
    Messages:
    5,564
    Where was this reported? Please could you post a link to the article.
     
  4. BittyBug

    BittyBug Kiteless

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2003
    Messages:
    15,162
    Any news about Makarova?
     
  5. doctor

    doctor New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    14
  6. Glacier cat

    Glacier cat New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    Messages:
    139
    Really!? :wall: I just wish her knee will be ok asap :wuzrobbed
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2012
  7. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,830
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSXgsoppzk&feature=plcp
    Just watched Zenkova and Sinitsin's FD choreographed by Zhulin. All I gotta say is that if this is the type of choreography he put into Bobrova and Soloviev's FD, they're screwed. In terms of costuming, even Kustarova could have done a better job. Overall, it was terrible even with the final two lifts being interesting.
     
  8. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2009
    Messages:
    6,397
    I hope that is "Zhulin" meaning Volkov and not the real actual Zhulin.
     
  9. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,830
    Whoever it was, I hope that that person ups their game for Bobrova and Soloviev. Because a FD similar to this would probably bump them to number 3 or even 4 in Russia.
     
  10. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2009
    Messages:
    6,397
    I basically agree. This is not a good preview of the Zhulin groups work. Hopefully everything goes up from that.
     
  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I

    Joined:
    May 24, 2003
    Messages:
    19,635
    I really like the entrances into the dance spin and the twizzles. She has lovely posture.
     
  12. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2002
    Messages:
    8,936
    not translating everything, just the main points

    Zhulin's interview for Team Russia 2014 - `We were trying to come up with a completely different style for Bobrova/Soloviev'

    Zhulin says all the Russian leading pairs, inc. Bobrova/Soloviev and Monko/Khaliavin improved a lot;
    Zhulin choreographed all 4 programmes for those 2 pairs. They used an unusual, yet well known music.
    His pairs were more criticized than praised in the test skates. The juniors dance - blues is a bit boring as it is, and it's hard to make it interesting. Zhulin finds it rather hard working with the juniors because they don't understand the goals and think if they joined Zhulin/Volkov group everything will miraculously work out. They don't realize they have to work hard and he is not too satisfied with his junior pair. They progressed ,but not as much as Zhulin would want them to. He is very satisfied with the seniors: they are open to any suggestion and willing to work hard.
    According to Zhulin he finds the juniors logic buggling: they think the coach needs their work more than they do, that the coaches will do all the work and such difference in approach saddens him
    Bob/Sol's skating was changed a lot. So did their goals and motivation. Zhulin is satisfied with the process.
    They worked a lot on chaging the image, the costumes, the characters etc. They were trying to depict a man and a woman and their relationship on the ice, and not just partners who perform the elements. Zhulin says their image was of the 70-80s and it was important to make them look modern. They did their best, but there was not too much time, so he hopes there are changes and there will be a continuation. Zhulin needs to work for 3 years with the pair till it becomes `his'.
    He expects to be critisized a lot, but then he is used to that, so it's fine.
     
  13. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2002
    Messages:
    13,942
    Can't watch right now... what is the style/why is it bad?
     
  14. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,830
    The FD is to cats. The costumes are atrocious and make them both look bad. The program itself is really boring with ugly positions in lifts and spins. The music itself is pretty boring as well and they could have come up with much better cuts from cats.
     
  15. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    2,905
    You have to see it, it is not possible to describe THAT. The costumes seems to prevent having any nice lines, the music is sort of....boring... Though they have done surprisingly well, considering what they have to skate to.

    On the other hand, we can hope that he gave his junior pair this because he was keeping 'the proper stuff' for his senior couples. :)
     
  16. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    2,905
    It seems to me that he is preparing ground for making excuses if things don't work out well. He says he needs three years...but the Olympics are in 2014!
     
  17. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,830
    Yes I agree. But I think it's a good plan. It's better than cutting corners to try for Sochi bronze and limiting their growth in the future. After all, he says that they will be peaking in 2015 which is when they'll actually be able to vie for world championships because Tessa and Scott and Davis and White will be retired so it will probably be them, Ilinykh and Katsalapov and Weaver and Poje.
     
  18. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    1,501
    the cats costume were hideous indeed, I'd still say their best hope for 2014 is Ilinykh/Katasalapov abeit inconsistent and hopefully the continued improvements of Sinitsina/Zhiganshin plus leaving A/K
     
  19. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2004
    Messages:
    6,339
    Eh, I'm not going to throw away B&S's chances over a early fall performance by a junior team. And at least there's more choreography in there than a typical Zueva program. :shuffle:

    I *am* worried that Zhulin admits that his skaters were more criticized than praised at the trials and like hanca said, seems to be lowering expectations.

    I thought B&S looked good in that SD run through that was posted a while back, so who knows.
     
  20. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    1,501
    well this will be B/S make it or not season or else they will be buried even on their national rankings , I do think Sinitsina/Zhiganshin has the star quality and has the potential and living up to the hype is another thing but I think they can do better than Ilinykh/Katsalapov who are can either be hot/cold.
     
  21. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    2,905
    We mustn't forget Riazanova-Tkachenko, who are now with Spilband. :)
     
  22. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    1,501
    No I didnt but they are so underrated......
    I do hope taht the Top 3 rankings in Russia will be in competition between

    Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, Ilinykh/Katsalapov and Riazanova/Tkachenko
     
  23. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    25,422
    That sounds like a bright future (for 2018) to me.
     
  24. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    1,501
    on another note, apparently Stolbova/Klimov finally now have their triple twist
    I would love to see this especially since they have poor form.... :scream:
     
  25. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2002
    Messages:
    13,942
    I think B&S may fall, but it would be a big shock for them to fall from first all the way to fourth. I do hope the Russian fed doesn't protect them (or I&K) if they falter. The Shibutanis proved that you can come out of nowhere (or juniors) to medal at Worlds, so if S/Z or M/K do well in their GPs, I hope the fed pushes them to the top. I also want to see R/T pushed up if they have improved a lot. Ranking by seniority is so 90s. With that said, I was not that wowed with S/Z the last couple of seasons. Maybe if they stop recycling D/W programs I'll be able to tell whether I like them or not. :p
     
  26. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2004
    Messages:
    11,883
  27. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2002
    Messages:
    5,054
    So it will be throw 3loop in both the short and long programs? If S/S keep going for the 3axel in the short, that would give them a 2 pt base score advantage....And Max has a thing for :drama: pronouncements, i.e. 'blowing someone's head off' if they release their music music information

    ETA: Thanks for the article link!
     
  28. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,549
    Not to mention their sky high 3FTh :eek:

    But V/T will make up point with the twist.
     
  29. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,830
    I have high hopes for bobrova and Soloviev. They are hard workers and showed good improvement already on their SD which I really enjoyed.
    As for sinitsina and Zhiganshin I have low expectations for them as long as kustarova and Alexeeva are coaching them. I can see Victoria's posture beginning to get worse already.
     
  30. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,898
    :scream:
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.