Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Eislauffan, Apr 18, 2012.
We mustn't forget Riazanova-Tkachenko, who are now with Spilband.
No I didnt but they are so underrated......
I do hope taht the Top 3 rankings in Russia will be in competition between
Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, Ilinykh/Katsalapov and Riazanova/Tkachenko
That sounds like a bright future (for 2018) to me.
on another note, apparently Stolbova/Klimov finally now have their triple twist
I would love to see this especially since they have poor form....
I think B&S may fall, but it would be a big shock for them to fall from first all the way to fourth. I do hope the Russian fed doesn't protect them (or I&K) if they falter. The Shibutanis proved that you can come out of nowhere (or juniors) to medal at Worlds, so if S/Z or M/K do well in their GPs, I hope the fed pushes them to the top. I also want to see R/T pushed up if they have improved a lot. Ranking by seniority is so 90s. With that said, I was not that wowed with S/Z the last couple of seasons. Maybe if they stop recycling D/W programs I'll be able to tell whether I like them or not.
Apparently V/T have pulled the throw triple flip from their programs.
So it will be throw 3loop in both the short and long programs? If S/S keep going for the 3axel in the short, that would give them a 2 pt base score advantage....And Max has a thing for pronouncements, i.e. 'blowing someone's head off' if they release their music music information
ETA: Thanks for the article link!
Not to mention their sky high 3FTh
But V/T will make up point with the twist.
I have high hopes for bobrova and Soloviev. They are hard workers and showed good improvement already on their SD which I really enjoyed.
As for sinitsina and Zhiganshin I have low expectations for them as long as kustarova and Alexeeva are coaching them. I can see Victoria's posture beginning to get worse already.
And more transitions. I noticed one Choctaw lol
Last place finishers... right?
I don't understand why they picked that particular style of music for this season's FD. Aside from the fact that it's kind of one-note and dreary, it seems too close in style to the SD blues.
Kulinicheva's interview with Nina Mozer for sport-express.ru: Looking for .11 points'
EK: How did things work out with the guys this seasons?
NM: Everything is fine: we work and heal the injuries. The injuries from last season are not as easy and fast forgotten as we hoped. Fortunately we found a specialist in the USA who can help. We even stayed for longer than planned in the US and only started really working at the end of July in Italy. Prior to that we were busy recovering and choreographing. Now it's work full time. We had 5 SP skates so far, all of them clean. The new SP became the favourite programme for the guys. The LP is more complicated - we are building the complexity all the time, for example moved another element to the 2nd part of the programme. We are in the search for .11 points (what Volosozhar/Trankov lost Savchenko/Szelkowy last year)
EK: Many skaters, mainly the foreigners announce their music at the beginning of the season. You keep it a secret. Isn't it about a time to reveal?
NM: Nope! Maks said he'll bite the head off the one who'll reveal. It's not about me, of course, I don't want to put things on the table yet. The federation saw everything - we had a test skate where we showed the SP and had a run through of the LP. We still haven't finished working on it since we misunderstood the rules changes in the spirals and we have to change things now. Also Maksim's boots broke, so we'll miss the test skates this week. But we'll participate the test skates in Odintsovo.
EK: Maksim mentioned in one of the interviews Nikolai Morozov had a musical piece he dreamed to work with but there were no skaters who could do it justice and he offered that piece to Volosozhar/Trankov. Is that the piece thye are skating to?
EK: Who were you working with on the programmes?
NM: Mainly with Nikolai Morozov, of course. Also with the American Elain Miller on the SP, which made the programme look unusual. Elain came up with a lot of very interesting things. Tanya and Maksim were strangers to her way of working - she choreographs slowly, while they got used to Morozov's speed of work. But it all worked out and there is a special Elain's spirit in the programme. The guys look different skating to it. I think they have changed in general - it's what we aimed for last spring but couldn't quite do. When we joined Nikolai in the USA and started choosing the music we couldn't put the finger on what exactly did we need. While the `Black Swan' was an instant choice this year we only had an idea; to do something new, unexpected.
EK: I.e. you keep experimenting.
NM: Yes. Believe me, the have changed, and yet the SP feels very comfortable for them. When you skate the programme clean 5 times out of 5 it means a lot.
What else? Because of Tanya's hip injury we gave up the throw flip, which caused the injury at the first place. WE decided not to take the risk, skate comfortably.
The lifts are very interesting even though because of the new rules the structure had changed and it was harder working on them. We worked with an amazing team - the USA champions in acrobatics. They showed so many new things. To sum it up - we'll show a lot of new things this year.
EK: Was it a shame to let go such a successful programme as the `Black Swan'?
NM: What makes you think this year's programmes will be any less? I think experimenting, searching for the new style is the right thing to do. It will help us make our minds for the Olympic year. We never use the word `shame'. Yes the `Black Swan' was the favourite programme, but so were the `Romeo and Juliette' and `Carmina Burana'. We love them all! We dream of a lot of things, but, unfortunately, don't have enough time. Changing the programmes 3 times a season is, unfortunately, not an option. The guys remain as creative as they were - that haven't changed, but now they skate more in unison and it's for their benefit. Maksim is a very knowledgeable, interesting person. He knows so much about history and culture. Tanya is equally interesting. We love searching for new things. In NY, for instance, we went to the Broadway shows twice a week. We were blown by the new Jesus Christ Superstar show.
You know what, the most important is to remain healthy. We'll go from there.
EK: Will you show the new programmes in September's test shows or will you just do the exhibition like last year?
NM: We'll do the programmes, since we are participating the international competition (Nebelhorn trophy) right after.
Great draw for D/D first place in SP order....
I think it was actually Lea Ann Miller who worked with them, and the journalist just didn't bother to check the spelling.
Thanks for translating!
I'd drop the 3Flip before I'd risk another injury this close to the Olympics. I do wonder if S/S will bother with the 3A. I would not. If it were the start of a quad cycle, sure, but not this close to the big dance. I don't think the risk would be worth the benefit. Trankov flat out refused to do it because of the risk of injury to Voloszhar.
I'm just hoping both V/T and S/S have stellar seasons this year and next. I will be both elated and depressed that only one of them can win gold. I'd quit watching skating if they tied for Olympic gold because nothing would ever be better. Fortunately or unfortunately as the case may be, the odds of that happening are small.
Two articles about Bobrova and Soloviev
So they, V/T, choose to still keep their music choses a secret. What does that add?
Probably nothing, but if it gives them some kind of psychological boost, so be it. He did allude in their latest blog entry that it is cello music by a Japanese musician, and explained the story behind the free program. We'll see how the program itself delivers.
Vaitsekhovskaya's impressions of Zhulin's groups
I'm really interested in reading the translation of this interview. The google version of her comments on Bobrova sound similar to my impressions of Bobrova's strengths.
Bobrova, whatever your opinion of her posture is, hits really beautiful positions and there is a sense of nuance in her body movements. It also seems like Vaitsekhovskaya is saying that the shapes and positions that Bbbrova hits look best in simple black practice costumes I 100% agree. B&S test skates always look better than their competitive stuff because her costuming is simple and sleek and shows off her body line.
Ekaterina's always had potential to become the most beautiful ice dancer. All the hypes for them are the only ones I hope not to be in vain. But from what we've been hearing this off-season chitchatting, I think Zhulin is really doing his job, really well!
She did hit lovely positions, but the posture is why she wasn't so lovely moving from place to place.
I hope that Zhulin has helped her fix that.
Vaitsekhovskaya's blog: impression: Ilinyh/Katsalapov
If anything is unclear please ask and I'll try to answer you can PM me the question and I'll ask Vaitsekhovskaya or contact her directly - she is vellena on FSU. I insist on that because it wouldn't be the first time when people don't entirely understand what is written but take it to other forums/sites and start discussing wrong information there.
If it wasn't for the three colleagues who called me and asked `is it true Morozov is to kick Ilinyh/Katsalapov is they don't medal' I wouldn't even bother writing that. But they called. So I'll explain:
There is a world of difference between `fight for' and `win', which, I reckon, should be clear to anyone in the sports. One can fight with 10 equal rivals and become 10th. One can fight for the 10th place and become 10th. Keep in mind, that in the first option there is a chance to fight for a medal, while in the second it was dismissed before the fight had started. This is exactly what Morozov meant: if he gives one of the most promising pairs in the world two great programmes he expects and improvement. I.e. they should be fighting for a bronze together with 3-4 other pairs. Yet if given the same Ilinyh/Katsalapov would only aim for the 5th (what if the other pairs progressed much more and there is no chance) - then yes, indeed there is no point continuing - just a year before the Olympics is not enough to fix things.
Morozov aims for the first option and I have to admit after attending their practice in Novogorsk he has a reason.
Let me put my impressions into words. First Elena have changed so much. A year ago I attended their practices and I couldn't get rid of an impression Elena is doing a favour. To the coach, to the partner, to the viewers... Now I saw her enjoying the skating so much. Her attitude is completely different (and if you recall I was not particularly positive about that pair in Nice)
I liked the music. The SP music was written especially for them, and again, seems the one who composed was enjoying the process. I don't know how to explain it, but take the musicians - it's obvious who sings and enjoys it and who just does his job. So those who were composing the SP music for Ilinyh/Katsalapov were enjoying
The LP is different. It's a story telling music. And the guys enjoy telling that story on the ice.
I liked their relationship on the ice. It's hard, not everything works out, but they keep laughing and motivating each other on the ice.
What I haven't seen is the beginning of the season fight with the elements. You know how it is - sometimes you see a skater doing the steps or spins and you understand that a second ago it was skating, but now it's a death battle. The impression is that Elena and Nikita became much stronger and fitter and are in a good enough shape to skate the whole programme. I haven't seen the whole programme, of course, but the parts they were skating with all the elements seemed so easy, and that with a good speed and amplitude.
They had some troubles with the twizzles - their blades were sharpened yesterday and skating was a bit harder.
To sum it up -I'm impressed. Asked Morozov : `What have you done with them?' and he just laughs.
Let me remind you all the above is just a humble opinion of a person in a vacation
Thanks for translating, TAHbKA
Thanks TAHbKA for translating, and Vaitsekhovskaya for doing the interview.
let me guess, so they're doing another waltzy FD
I hope by being more emotional and enjoying the music doesn't mean its the ones sounding like ave maria again...
I don't think they can do Ave Maria. Ice dancers usually don't keep their program for two seasons. Saying that, I liked Ave Maria program. In fact, I liked Pechalat/Bourzat, Weaver/Poje and Ilinyh/Katsalapov's programs more than the programs Virtue/Moir and Davis/White. (I am talking here just about the program, not about skating skills.)
I agree with this
That's why I think that their most successful program was in 2010 to Adagio
I remember the BBC/British Eurosport commentators loved it as well saying that every position she hit was perfection.
I usually don't agree with Vaitsekhovskaya but this time I really do.And I think that B/S's only problem for me is that I don't find Soloviev that good.People talk about posture and costumes,but the only thing that bugs me at times, as much as I like them, is his facial expression(or therefore lack of) and blank arm movement.Or maybe Kustarova went choreographically the absolutely wrong way for them.I think they need programs like Adagio,that are more emotive,I liked their 2008 free dance.It had so much body movement and so many beautiful positions.Of course on the other hand I can't stand Tkatchenko's facial expressions..I would clone Katsalapov and give him to Bobrova( and all the other female ice dancers) but only if he did something with his lifts.
Any news on Martyusheva-Rogonov ?
I really like them !
So do I! They're scheduled to compete at the Ondrej Nepela Trophy, Oct. 3-6, 2012, in Bratislava, SVK (ETA: along with Stolbova/Klimov).
yeah, me too. Prefer them soooo much to Stolbova/Klimov. Hopefully they can keep on improving...last season they really seemed to break through. Fingers crossed
Thank you for the info!
I am kind of dreaming they will come to Nebelhorn Trophy.They are substitutes if....
Not news, but Tukhtamysheva re-tweeted this from Martyusheva:
bingtranslator's version accompanying the photo: "If you can smile all not that bad!!)
I'd love to but tehy will ahve prove further their consistency
though only substitutes I doubt any of V/T or B/L will be pulled out barring injury *knock on wood
on another pair, I was underwhelmed by D/D freeskate in Lake Placid,
they had so any mistakes . pity
I think the difference was last season they skated as if they had nothing to lose and attacked their programs. They did not do that this weekend, but the season is very early. She does look like she's grown, but that didn't seem to be the problem.
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