Frank Carroll: The Skate Whisperer

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  1. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

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    Well, he took on Jenny who was a bit of a head case and best scenario 5-7 at worlds skater, so who knows, maybe he really wanted to redo his kitchen or something.
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  2. jlai

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    Among the four men mentiined Abbott doesnt play musical coaches, and Adam already has a tech coach. Miner also needs a tech coach to retool his jumps. Dornbush has college. So who can Frank coach?
  3. canbelto

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    I think Frank has a good fit with Gracie Gold and Denis Ten. Gold has the technical chops, Ten has the work ethic.
  4. marialynn

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    frank is simply a "safe" skating coach- he seems to have no conception of what a skater needs to do technically-he is stuck in the 90's when safe skating could get you a medal= not any more frank
  5. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    Yes, his coaching style certainly destroyed Evan Lysacek's potential in 2010 :rolleyes:
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    Interesting article. I wonder if Frank will keep taking elite skaters and for how long. He has done some great skating. I see people's point that he is not a technical envelope pusher, but OTOH he has really maximized some people's potential.
  7. marialynn

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    evan could not compete today unless he could suddenly do a few quads lol
  8. Mayra

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    Because the men's event at the Olympics was so amazing that Evan's performances in 2010 would not have compared? :rofl: Beyond which, Frank coached Denis to a 2013 World silver medal and a 2014 Olympic bronze.

    I don't believe there is such a thing as a once size fits all coach. Different personalities mesh better with others and teaching/learning methods vary. Frank's methods may work for one and not have any effect on another. That's not a knock on the skater or the coach, that's just the way it works. At the end of the day he's had enough success as a coach(and how!) that his legacy speaks for itself. :respec:
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  9. marialynn

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    yeah a legacy of teaching safe skating- it's so different now
  10. overedge

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    If it's so different, why did Denis Ten just get a bronze medal at the Olympics?
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    ...and Gracie placed 4th.
  12. eurodance2001

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    Is marialynn the new caseyedwards?? Lol..
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    I thought they were the same person. One a little more extreme than the otherÂ…an account created to not kill the "credibility" that the poster's first incarnate may have had.
  14. skatfan

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    Seems like him, doesn't it?

    Seriously, I can't think of another US coach at the moment who can mold a skater to perform at the level he does. Gracie Gold definitely had emotional issues with competing, and look what he pulled off in 4-5 months. She's gunning for a medal next month at Worlds!
  15. Jammers

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    And why would we want Gracie to start trying to do 3axels? Besides the fact that she has trouble at times landing her 2axel do we want her to become like Mao and become obsessed with it? Mao needed the 3axel since she struggles with the other triples and can't do the harder 3-3 combo's like the other girls but Gracie has better jumps all around then Mao and doesn't need the 3axel right now. If she starts working on it and can land it consistently then maybe i can see it in the future.
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  16. berthesghost

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    :lol: well, isn't it outrageous that Gracie won nats without doing a quad! :soapbox:
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    Thanks for sharing the link, I enjoyed the article.
    Full disclosure: I'm not a big Frank Carroll "fan", that being said I am impressed with the progress Gracie has made since making the move to train with Frank in in CA. It seems to me she is now very clearly the leading US lady both with the USFSA and the ISU. Now lets hope she can keep the momentum going forward.

    Christopher Bowman proved too much for Frank to handle, perhaps too much for anyone to handle including himself. Addiction is such a horrible disease, one which very few can cope with for any sustained period. It tears at your soul and those who love you forever. RIP Chris.
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    HA HA HA... OMG.. the travesty!!
  19. attyfan

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    Tim Goebel's 3 quads qualifies as "safe skating"?
  20. berthesghost

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    IDK, he seemed to imply that he did take on a mother "head case" after bowman: goeble.

    The Kwan segment was weird. Although he took great pains to say complimentary things about the whole Kwan family, he did lay out a lengthy timeline where pretty much everything that went wrong in her career was Danny's fault. There was nothing we hadn't heard before thru gossip, but it was a bit shocking to hear an insider pretty much blame him for everything, while smoothly sounding understanding or impartial. He's slick.
  21. Frau Muller

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    The title 'Skate Whisperer' cracks me up. Of course, Frank is not alone in meriting that title. The most famour whisperer-magician comes to mind: Tamara Moskvina.
  22. overedge

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    I don't think this is the case. Carroll has said that he won't put elements into a program unless the skater can complete them successfully 70% of the times they try them. With that sort of confidence a skater has more of a comfort zone, for lack of a better word, to be an exciting performer. While Bowman was at times a little too spontaneous for Carroll's liking, he was one of the more exciting skaters to watch because of his energy and enthusiasm. Carroll's more cautious skaters, like Goebel, were like that with every coach they worked with.
  23. marialynn

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    bronze and gracie's 4th place is not a gold medal- never will be
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    If we work really hard to get all the results above them nullified, it could be! Don't lose hope!!
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    Jammers (sorry still unable to use the quote function after 3 mos.), there's nothing wrong with "trying", after all that's how something eventually becomes a reality. Without risk takers the world would be a sorry place indeed. Risk takers such as Sarah Hughes would have never realized her dream of becoming Olympic Champion if she had not put in the second 3/3 combo. she had only landed once in competition previously. And there are plenty of other examples in figure skating. Midor Ito even broke her leg practicing the 3axel, but thank goodness she didn't let that prevent her from eventually putting it into competition and mastering it. :cool: That's my point when it comes to not only GG, but others as well. Oops, not to forget Mao Asada. I beg to differ when it comes to your analysis of her, Jammers. No, she is able to do all the triples, all 6 of them in fact (i.e. 3T, 3S, 3R, 3F, 3Z, 3A), as well as 3/3 combos. :smokin:

    Risk takers are to be applauded, not derided, because without them dreams would never become reality. jmho.

    *note: even Michelle Kwan was a risk taker at heart. I recall her taking her sr. figure skating tests against the advice of her coach Frank Carroll. And guess what she passed with flying colors and she came second to Tonya Harding the next year at Nationals. :cool*
  26. marialynn

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    who's losing hope? i don't expect anything more from the u.s then what they usually do- bronze and silver are nice but still not gold-progressive is just not a word the u.s fed understands imo
  27. Skittl1321

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    I was being facetious. I didn't think anyone was actually hoping the results would be nullified resulting in those positions equaling 1st place.
  28. Jammers

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    The US dominated Ladies for over 50 years from the early 50's to about 2006. It couldn't last forever. Japan without Mao,Ando,Suzuki is going to be hurting for the next few years and it was a powerhouse for only about a decade.
  29. overedge

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    Well, duh.

    So a gold medal is the only reason for a skater to enter a competition, and if they don't get one, then clearly they are horrible skaters who never should have participated at all :rolleyes:
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    I think we have only seen the beginning of the Russian wonder babies. After Adelina's win, the Team win, the Pairs win, the rise of I/K, Russian skating will probably boom for the next decade.

    Besides Lip and Rad they have more young girls getting ready to enter the senior ranks. They are already dominating juniors and could get even stronger in the coming years.
  31. demetriosj

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    Slick? He tries to come off as so classy, fair, impartial, and so above it all, but that is just plain rude/bitchy blaming Danny all these years later...........
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  32. NadineWhite

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  33. Jammers

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    Most of those girls will there jumps.
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    You are so encouraging. (not!)
    Her time at the top level of competition has only begun.
  35. bardtoob

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    Frank sounds like a coach that encourages sturdy character, which is admirable in any sports coach.
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  36. demetriosj

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    I assume you mean they will lose their jumps. You hope.......
  37. OliviaPug

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    Don't sweat it, overedge. With her posts, marialynn is only looking for a tiny bit of the huge amount of attention GG is getting with her 4th place finish ... I see marialynn joined FSU just in time for the Games! Kind of reminds me of Tonya Harding's antics on the eve U.S. Nationals, Worlds or the Olympics.

    O-
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  39. canbelto

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    The Carroll interview is interesting in that of all the skaters, he seems the most genuine when talking about his one major huge headcase, Christopher Bowman. Despite acknowledging all his frustrations he talks about Bowman with a warmth that sounds completely sincere and not at all passive aggressive. He doesn't emphasize the negative, but speaks about all of Bowman's positive qualities.

    With regards to Michelle Kwan he praises her effusively but is kind of passive aggressive. He throws shade on her Torino comeback, and suggests that she wasn't sincere about trying to skate there. And I find all of this odd because I saw an interview the two of them did together during Sochi where she was more than respectful of him -- she still seemed totally awed by him. He's strangely impersonal about Evan Lysacek too.

    So it's weird that he emphasizes how he's all business, and he's not there to baby the skaters or fix their personal problems, but at the same time he's the most warm about the one skater with insurmountable personal problems.
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    …when she posts loud
    that means Americans are skating
    when she posts soft
    then there are quads and triple axels displaying…
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