Frank Carroll new student...

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by inthemiddle, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. Megi

    Megi Well-Known Member

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    I do too and I find some people's denial of how good his skating actually is very amusing. :2faced:

    Hope the move to Frank works out well for Denis. :cheer:
  2. Fallcolor

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    Frank and Denis would make a great pairing...so does this mean that Denis will start working with Lori Nichol for choreo and not Tarasova anymore?
  3. caseyedwards

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    Maybe it was the transitioning from Juniors to Seniors that led Ten to only have one or two jumps after the halfway point. I am sure Carroll will radically overhaul his jump layout!
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    TAT continues to work with Denis as consultant and possibly choreographer.
  5. Jaana

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    That is very bad news. If Denis works with Frank C., he does not need any outside cnsultant which would bring only disaster, in my opinion. Huh, a possible choreographer, Denis dos not benefit from programmes, that need to be changed and changed again to become good CoP-programmes
  6. Ziggy

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    If someone is such a diva, they can't deal sharing the coach with another competitor near his level, they should either get a life or shoot themselves in the face. :saint:

    If anything, having someone to compete with every day in practice is beneficial because it takes you out of your comfort zone and keeps you on your toes.

    There are a lot of skaters and coaches for whom this is not an issue at all, so I don't see why it should be for Frank or Evan.
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  7. loulou

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    And there are a lot of skaters for whom it's a big deal. I would name Takahashi, who's everything but a big diva.

    Because it's not about being diva or not being up to challenges.

    The point is that the coach should teach you, and then he/she should play your game so that you'll end up beating every body else, including the other student.
    You don't see the conflict? I do.

    Do conflicts always work out disaster? No. But they are tricky.
    I personally would avoid them (indeed I'm not the only one, if coaches have such clauses in their contracts).
    Surely, that's enough of a reason to have people ponder, and it cannot be dismissed as if it was some spoiled voice speaking.
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  8. harvey

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    All of this talk about conflicts in coaching just got me to wondering why if it's such a big deal, how can the top 2 (In most peoples' opinion) ice dance teams tolerate having the exact same coaching staff?:rolleyes:
    I know that there has been a lot of discussion about the coaches' preference for one team or the other, but it seems that in this case it's not only possible to have 2 approximately equal competitive students, but both V & M and D & W seem to have thrived on it (This year anyway).:cool:
  9. Mevrouw

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    As to the V&M and D&W arrangement, both of those teams started with their coaches when they were just promising young teams. They have a long relationship with each other and the coaches that grew up before they placed 1 & 2 in the world in everything they enter. That's different than having another skater/competitor suddenly sign on with the same coach.
  10. bek

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    I'm sure that Frank wouldn't be taking out Denis if Evan was staying in and/or Evan wasn't okay with it.
  11. maclou

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    The big deal about that was that they were direct competitors from the the same country. That would be like if Frank started coaching Johnny without talking to Evan about it first.

    I'm sure Evan would be fine with Frank coaching Denis Ten, they're both at completely different points in their careers but I do think Evan probably is going to retire...
  12. Jaana

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    From the same or different country does not matter, in my opinion. What matters is, whether the skaters are direct competitors with each other and in this point Denis is far from it. As a matter of fact I think that Denis would really benefit from training with Evan (LOL, many skaters would!).
  13. Lacey

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    I don't know why I feel so sure, I have no inside information, but I am convinced that Evan will retire. But he's not going to tell us yet, I believe, because he thinks he needs time to milk the gold medal, which he really doesn't. Once you are an Olympic Gold Medalist, you are always an Olympic Gold Medalist. But I bet his agent is still sniffing out contracts.
  14. caseyedwards

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    Sarah Hughes didn't retire immediately. But she was considered a medal contender by some not a OGM frontrunner like Lysacek was considered a Gold medal frontrunner. Not the favorite but a favorite. Hamilton-retired-Boitano retired but probably would have come back if the iSU had the rules it had now. And he could retire for three seasons and come back like Cohen. There is nothing left for him to win or prove is my point.
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  15. gratefulmkfan

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    Evan has his own private ice time. Mirai said she's lucky that Evan allows her to share it with him. He might share it with young Mr. Ten also, but he does not have to do that. I'm curious to learn how things unfold, but I'm happy Frank has taken him on.
  16. Dancin' Dream

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    OK, I'm not that enthusiastic about that prospect, Ten already has all the goods he needs to become a leading one, I want somebody who supports him just the way he already is - and I don't think Carroll is the right person. Sorry, but so for I haven't seen anyone really exciting, charismatic, someone with personality, coming out under Carroll's tutelage. It would be sad if such a tremendous talent like Ten simply makes a wrong choice. :(
  17. Squibble

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    Fifty-six posts, and the thread topic turns to Michelle Kwan.

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  18. luenatic

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    Christopher Bowman anyone?
  19. Ziggy

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    What Ten is mostly lacking is consistency and that's what Carroll can help him achieve, both through support and encouraging a better work ethic.
  20. skateboy

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    I love this news! Now if Oda can go to Frank as well, I'd be thrilled.
  21. Fashionista

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    Have no idea why everybody's snarking about Ten's programs here. I thought they were decent and quite interesting in choreo. Especially considering it was his first full season in seniors.
  22. Marco

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    And also encourage him to showcase himself a little more. He never quite got into the music or the performance, and can come off as boring at times even when skating to Sing Sing Sing.
  23. Markulliz

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    :scream:

    OMG, I like Ten, but this choice just wrong. He was underscored all last season, he doesn't need another coach, but he needs to be mark correctly by corrupt judges. :mad: Hope this just a rumor. What a nightmare will be for so talented skater and defiantly medal contender for Sochi 2014.
  24. allezfred

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    Where does he belong exactly? Surely that's up to the skater themselves to decide. :confused:
  25. ZuZu

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    Well, in this particular case going to Frank Carroll would actually be a quite clever move. :cat:
  26. Markulliz

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    So you agree judges corrupt and Frank Carroll will do his magic to improve his marks. If this is only the reason he is moving, :duh: ISU JS is falling part.:lol:
  27. pinky166

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    In that case Frank Carrol is GOOD move. Hello, Olympic Gold Medalist with no quad and a triple axel that looks like a salchow? Also Mirai - 70+ points for a SP with no 3-3? Clearly Frank knows how to work the system.
  28. Markulliz

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    You mean buying judges :shuffle: anyway I liked both Ten's programs this year, it was light and joy and only he needs just more experience in seniors and fair judging. Hope he will get that next year.
  29. pinky166

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    Buying judges? I'm pretty sure he just teaches his skaters to milk CoP for all it's worth...and it works. Tom has done the same thing for Rachael...how she manages to get level 4s for all her spins is beyond me.
  30. oleada

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    Exactly. He couldn't manage one clean LP all season. His SP was charming, but his LP was a mess. Mirai's consistency has improved tremendously under Frank, and I hope he can do the same for Denis. He's incredibly talented, but completely unable to deliver. Hopefully working with Carroll will help that.
  31. Nan

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    You have to understand, for Markulliz, it's always about the pay-offs and bribes, it's never about switching to a different coach because he's a good coach and can help you improve.
  32. allezfred

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    Hopefully Frank can give him music for his free that doesn't make ears bleed. :scream:
  33. shah

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    mind my words, he'll give him Carmen and Scheherezade :lol:
  34. loulou

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    Beyond me too. Boy those camels are so not exciting!
  35. attyfan

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    Eventually, he probably will give either (or both) of those pieces to Ten. However, I also believe that Carroll gives Gene Kelly numbers to his male skaters -- I wonder which one of those musical numbers Ten will try.
  36. kwanfan1818

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    Does Frank Carroll give music to his skaters? I thought his choreographers did.

    If Ten ends up with "Carmen" and "Scheherezade", it's probably good for Carroll, because after all of these years, I would guess he's inured to them.
  37. Ozzisk8tr

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    Hopefully it's Xanadu. Can you just imagine?
  38. pinky166

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  39. Indra486

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    TAKE THAT BACK!! :lol: It's time to give Scheherazade a break. She's told many stories but I think only one of them was worth listening to. :p

    If Caroll was buying the judges, it wouldn't have taken him so long to finally have a student of his win Olympic gold (like it or not) or for that matter, US's medal streak might not have ended. ;)
  40. Jaana

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    If Ten had all the goods to become a leading one, he would have been higher than 13th (15th in freeskate) in Turin WC... In my opinion Carroll is exactly the right person to coach Ten for better results in competitions. Being just a talented skater is never enough, one needs a lot more to become a top skater.