For Evan Lysacek, countdown to Sochi Games is on

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. SkateFan66

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  4. DreamSkates

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    Oh the excitement builds as we get closer to Socchi...who will not be too injured to compete and win!
     
  5. Iceman

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    well, quad or no quad, I hope Evan is able to compete.
     
  6. NadineWhite

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    Ditto! :cool:
     
  7. Bookslut

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    If Evan doesn't qualify in an international event before Nationals is there any point in his competing there? Is there any possibility of an exception to the minimum score qualification for the "reigning" Olympic gold medalist?
     
  8. Susan M

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    There are some Senior B events between US Nationals and the Olympics where he could get a qualifying score. The wording of the USFS selection document, however, seems to say the athlete must already meet the qual standards for the athlete "to be considered for nomination" to the US team. Since the nominations are made within 24 hours of completing the event at Nationals, this means the athlete must already have a qual scores by Nationals. (I guess the nominations are not formalized until they pass thru a couple more committees, but as I recall that is usually a matter of a few days.)

    As seems always the case with ISU and USFS documents, the wording is awkward, but the reference to qual scores clearly is in there as a prerequisite to consideration, rather than some minor detail to be cleaned up later. I have a hunch this is not really what the USFS meant, and I don't know what they will do about it if Lysacek places top 3 at Nationals. IMO he would be smart to try to get into an international in January before Nationals.

    I don't think the ISU has any procedure for waiving qual scores for anybody.
     
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  9. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Plushenko was given an exception to compete at 2012 Euros. He had not competed in the 2010-11 season or in the 2011-12 season until Euros, and did not make the minimum score before that competition. The Russian Federation had to ask for the exception, which USFS would have to do as well. I'm not sure how they would do that, if they haven't already picked him, but it's possible they could try to rush it through before the nomination process is complete. They might also attempt to file an amendment to the selection procedures, which were approved by USOC, and allow a conditional appointment, so that Lysacek could compete at one of the couple of Senior B's after US Nationals and before 27 January 2014, by which date the NOC's must submit the paperwork for the participants to SOCHI.
     
  10. misskarne

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    The difference is that the exception for Plushenko ONLY covered his QR at Euros. He had to skate the QR and meet the TES minimum for the LP in order to be allowed to skate at Euros. If he hadn't made the TES minimum in the QR, he wasn't allowed to skate. I think part of that was also that he pointed out that the ISU's own actions rendered him unable to skate and earn the scores the previous season. Lysacek has no such excuse.
     
  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    The QR score wouldn't have covered the SP score, only the FS score. Had there not be QR rounds in 2012, they would have let him directly into the SP. Plushenko had no excuse for not earning the scores in the then current season any more than Lysacek has for this season (at least so far), since both suffered injuries. The ISU wanted Plushenko to compete. They gave him the exception.

    Besides, I was speaking to their being a process, since the Russian Fed used it.
     
  12. Maureen

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    I hope so as well.
     
  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    http://www.trucktrend.com/features/..._drive_gold_medal_figure_skater_evan_lysacek/

    Golden Spin of Zagreb (Dec. 5-8) no longer has a TBA USA men's entry listed.
     
  14. Iceman

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    Only 15 men and 27 women, among them, Miki Ando
     
  15. toddlj

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  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    If Lysacek intends to compete, Ukrainian Open (Dec. 18-21) in Kiev is the last international competition before Nationals that he could enter.
     
  17. maureenfarone

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    Are there any internationals Evan could enter after Nationals and before the deadline in January?
     
  18. SkateFan66

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    There is a Senior B after Nationals and before the January deadline. However, per Philip Hersh, a USFSA spokesperson stated that Lysacek had to earn the minimum score before Nationals.
     
  19. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    From Phil Hersh's November 13 article: http://trib.in/1hFQ4Hd
     
  20. morqet

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    From NBC's Olympic sports reporter on twitter:

    However, if Lysacek was planning to enter you think we would have heard something by now.
     
  21. Carolla5501

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    Anyone want to be that if Evan places first or second at Nationals he will get a 'waiver' dependent on him getting the required score. The selection committee won't leave him at home if he can get the spot especially considering the year our men seem to be having...... USFSA has those rules vague for a reason and "statements' have been made before that mean nothing LOL!

    I am not sure he will even show up at Nationals, but... if he does and places he will be on the team.
     
  22. misskarne

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    No. He was told explicitly that he needed the score pre-Nationals. He has not yet got it. He won't show up at Nationals.
     
  23. Skittl1321

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    Oh right, because the injured guy who can't even show up at a Senior B is likely to do so much better than the handful of guys who got medals on the GP.
     
  24. peibeck

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    The U.S. Federation cannot waive the ISU's required Technical Score requirement, so it would not matter if Evan places in the top two at Nationals. If he doesn't get the ISU required Tech Scores before Nationals, any hope for him to compete in Sochi is zero.
     
  25. Skittl1321

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    But the ISU doesn't require the tech score before nationals, just before the Olympics.
     
  26. kwanfan1818

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    As someone who remembers the Skate Canada in Victoria where Lambiel skated dismally in both segments and came from 7th to win, there are competitions where no one seems to allow themselves to win. Lysacek was never one of those skaters, even when he was sub-par. If Lysacek couldn't do Senior B's and still managed to beat men who got medals at GP, it's hard to imagine that their nerves would be under better control at the Olympics than his. I think if he showed up at Nationals in any shape, he might place as high as second if the pressure got to the rest of the field.

    I don't think he'll skate at Nationals, though.

    ETA: the IOC deadline is 27 January 2014. The USFS deadline is earlier. If it was submitted to the USOC as part of the selection process, USFS can't simply allow a provisional appointment with Lysacek competing in one of Senior B's between US Nats and the IOC deadline to earn the minimum. USOC would have to agree to the change as well. I don't see very much exception language or leeway in the USOC-approved selection process for qualifying. There's leeway in the selection language.
     
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  27. Carolla5501

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    If he shows up and places first or second he will be allowed to go get his required score. There is no way that the USFSA is not sending IF he gets 1st or 2nd. And I don't think there is a real risk of him not getting the scores if he places 1st or 2nd. I dare say what we have heard does not reflect what has gone on behind the scenes. So I can see them giving his name to USOC and sending him off to some small comp where compared to the competition he gets better scores then he might have at a GP event (see Plushy's Volvo score.:) ).

    Now I don't think he will show especially if he does not have all his jumps etc.... That said I am not sure a quad is going to be an absolute to get at least 2nd. US may not have two top men with a reliable quad at nationals. :(
     
  28. Carolla5501

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    Well, sadly I think it is a risk. Personally I want Rippon and Brown, but..... I can see nerves hitting both of them based on past history. Brown will absolutely have to land ALL his Triple Axels and Rippon will have to deliver.

    The thing about Evan is he is a great competitor. Like it or not he tends to deliver
     
  29. alilou

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    I think this quote from his agent step Goldberg speaks volumes
    "The bigger question is whether he could be in the best possible shape to represent the U.S. at the Olympics."
     
  30. Skittl1321

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    Based on Brown's scores this season in comparison to other men, I don't think a quad will be necessary.