Fixing the Canadian Ladies Program

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by algonquin, Feb 11, 2012.

  1. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    Nam Nguyen has a new coach! :respec: I believe! Now that there's a very good chance his potential will emerge. He went to Orser didn't he?
  2. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

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    Yes he did! Good thinking! (knock wood)
  3. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

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    I hear Joanne McLeod has an opening now that Nguyen is gone~! Have your people contact her people! :)
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  4. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Manhn. If you don't mind stepping outside for a moment. Jeremy Ten and I would like to have a word with you.
  5. clarie

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    Too bad we can't have more Kaetlyns. That girl just sparkles on the ice. Even if she wasn't Canadian, I would still have a new fav in her. I hope she never loses that as time goes on and she enters the pressure cooker. I wish I could see more Canadian women skate with that kind of joy and abandon and connect with the audience instead of the serious puke faces we normally see. Wishful thinking for Nats. :).
  6. spikydurian

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    Accordion, you are a die-hard FSU-er! :lol:
    Okay, I admit this did cross my mind too though not when I was about to fall asleep. :D It does look bleak unless the current successors take a great leap forward, IMO. :(

    You do think? :p

    I am impressed with his 'new image'. No more gloves and colourful costumes. He has a more sophisticated and elegant skating style now. Hope this kid keeps growing.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    The official final results are published online at last: http://www.skatecanada-centralontario.com//Irma/Sectionals 2013/swrs.pdf

    So the top 4 COS Senior Women advancing to Challenge are:
    Eri Nishimura 123.92
    Giouzelin Mutlu 119.70
    Alexe Gilles 118.77 (coached by Christy Krall in Colorado Springs according to her recent tweet)
    Olivia Houston 110.36
    Note: Gabrielle Daleman WD but also advanced to Challenge for being a JGP competitor.
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    Next 3 COS Women:
    Rachel Greben 108.79
    Michelle Long 108.65
    Christina Yan 108.43

    Guest Skaters at COS:
    Kelsey McNeil (NB) 121.34, 2nd overall
    Gabrielle Anne Cormier (NB) 113.52, 5th
    Kate Charbonneau (MB) 107.34, 10th

    ETA links:

    Here's the Canadian Sectionals results/discussion thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?85059-2013-Skate-Canada-Sectionals-Oct-26-Nov-11-2012

    Explanation of Canadian qualifying system for Nationals:
    http://www.skatecanada.ca/Development/TalentIdentification/tabid/231/language/en-US/Default.aspx

    Do we know if current National Team members Alexandra Najarro and Adriana DeSanctis could be receiving a medical bye to Challenge after their withdrawal from COS?
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  8. googooeyes

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  9. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Too greedy. :p

    Any other nation would have killed for a champion streak like that. Or, most nations would have killed for having just one of the above champions.
  10. googooeyes

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    Don't forget Donald Jackson and Donald McPherson who led the way for the others
  11. chantilly

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    I think Joanne Macleod is a crappy coach. Sorry all of her male skaters have been head cases. And she is the common denominator. Kevin shows promise but I think he should get far away from her and got to Brian Orser or someone else. Javier has improved so much with him. And so have many other of Brian's skaters. But agree, men's skating in Canada behind Patrick seems a bit dire.
  12. Seerek

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    I think part of it is mental/psychological, but I think part of the problem is also the technique of Joanne's students breaking down in competition situations (i.e. not-so-great technique shows itself in pressure situations)

    As for the ladies, has Canada ever had really had periods of sustained depth? In the last 40 years, I believe that Canada placed 2 in the top 10 at Worlds only 7 times (the last being 1994).
  13. chantilly

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    Yup. I think you are exactly right here.
  14. Proustable

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    From the boys, I think that Mitchell and Sadovsky have the most potential. Rogozine too.
  15. essence_of_soy

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    I remember seeing the Canadian Championships live in 1994, and the top four women were fantastic. Josee Chouinard, Karen Preston, Susan Humphreys, and a girl I had never seen but heard a great deal about, Tanya Bingert had all of the big jumps and wonderful, mature presentation. it was a better skated event than US Nationals which I had seen in person the week before.

    Unfortunately, they just did have the mental game to put it together on the competitive stage when it was absolutely needed.

    Kay Thomson was a skater who should have done so much better at the world level. Her short program at the 1983 Canadians was years before its time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixXuiiOZ3Nc
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    So true! She originated that upright spin with the foot crossed behind. It is still called a Thomson Spin in Canada (at least by us old folks)
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    Thomson's spins were utterly sick. Check out her longs. Interestingly the only consistent triple she had was the lutz. She also did the flip but it was often underrotated. She didn't do any other triples. Weird.

    I find that skating in the 80s yeah had cheesy music but also seemed to have much more abandon than any other decade. You can youtube gobs of performances like this from all countries. Orser's performances in 83 and 84 were just insane, too. Went hard after everything.
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    Very sad that Bingert never made it to world's. Huge lutz and 3 other triples as well as an outstanding layback but was often 3rd.
    1994 nationals were incredible in all disciplines. Lots of drama everywhere. 16,000 seats were packed in Edmonton for pretty much the whole thing. Quite the heyday....
  19. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies ├╝ber

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    So the top three at Canadians this year all had triple triple in the short, the bronze medallist landed seven triples, and our champion is a senior Grand Prix winner and the silver medalist isn't senior age eligible yet. Does our program still need fixing?

    ;)
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  20. all_empty

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    The arch in her layback is amazing and I've never seen a back layback as good as hers. Love the disco Firebird ... A true staple of the '80s.
  21. TheIronLady

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    Okay, reading this I just discovered the main difference between the American and Canadian ladies programs. Nobody makes 100 excuses for American ladies.
  22. professordeb

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    You may believe that but I find Americans certainly put a great deal of pressure on the "next skating princess", usually have extremely high expectations of them regardless of how good they actually are compared to the rest of the world.
  23. TheIronLady

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    Why bring up the peculiar things Americans do? We are discussing the standing ovations and million excuses Canadians give for their ladies' shortcomings throughout history.

    I have never heard anyone blame Caroline Zhang's falls on her having naturally curvy hips or Alissa Czisny's 22nd place at worlds on her not having the same advantages that the Japanese ladies have in terms of public interest in the sport.

    I think the Canadians tend to make unnecessary excuses for their ladies. You have the talent. Encourage the talent to compete. You spend a lot of time picking "The One" or "The Great Hope" and and fawning over that one even when she finishes 10th at Worlds. Canadians undervalue competition among ladies. This is what makes them better and stronger. Let your talent rise to the challenge and stop the excuses.

    I'm sure the truth is Canada does a pretty impressive job in its skating program, but the fans and Canadian media discourage their ladies by being all soggy and sappy about them constantly.
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  24. professordeb

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    Because you brought up what you think is the difference between American and Canadian ladies as a slam against Canadian ladies skating. I saw things a bit differently.

    Last I checked we don't give a million excuses as to why our women don't do as well as some other countries. What I do see is people trying to figure out how things have been in years past and how they seem to be taking a turn for the better in Canadian ladies skating, and are pleased by it.
  25. cbd1235

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    lol no one is really giving too many excuses for our Canadian ladies.......for the most part they just suck...until now with at least 4 promising up and comers.

    Other than Joannie and Cynthia we've had no one good for a looooooong time, I'm not making any excuses for the rest of the ladies, they all just sucked. I've been to many competitions and all the coaches can talk about is the crappy ladies, no one was making excuses for them, they just accepted it.

    Some of us Canadians are frank and don't make excuses, you know ;)
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