Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by maija, Apr 1, 2010.
Kiitos, Hanna! Thanks!
^^ I am not 100% if they will take the hockey things away, though.
Really? They have been taken away the previous years, I checked from my earlier videos.
Thanks Hanna for the interesting report! There will be "SM-senioreiden ja SM-junioreiden 1.valintakilpailu" (I have no idea what it's in English...) in Matinkylä ice rink 16.-17.10.2010. Are you or is anybody going there? Do you know who skateres are attending, would it be worth to see?
Then they should. Sorry to alert you. I am completely hopeless with all cameras.
I am most definitely going! There's no doubt about it (there really isn't a competition I DON'T go to see ). I don't think there are any participant lists out there yet but we'll make a thread for it in the Kiss 'n' Cry section as soon as as there's more info. Don't expect Korpi or Lepistö though.
The junior events are the ones that will be more interesting anyway, since all seniors will most likely automatically qualify for Nationals.
Thanks a lot for the long report Hanna. I really appreciated it.
One thing though, are there any young boys that seem decent? Or no boys at all?
Since you mentioned only girls.
There were 3 novice boys (2 Finns, 1 Dutch) and 3 junior boys (2 Finns, 1 Russian) but honestly I don't think there was much to write about. The novice boys were lucky to be landing their doubles. The Russian junior boy I think had a 3s but he was pretty much skating through his music, not really doing anything else but the elements.
I´ll post it here, too: Laura Lepistö will not skate in Finlandia Trophy. Check FT thread in Kiss & cry
I hope she gets better in time for the GP.
Yes, hopefully she will manage to recover from her injury in time.
Kiira's new programs from Nebelhorn
I've only watched them once so can't really form a reasonable opinion.
But I kinda like the SP despite the tinkly piano.
In the FS there's a bit too much of standing still and posing to my liking.
Thanks, Hanna! Going to watch them right now!
Wow, I really liked both programs
She looks in terrific shape despite the missing jumps and she is spinning better than ever!
This looks good for the coming competitions and I hope she tries out the 3T/3T as soon as possible to get it"done"!
Great height in the jumps and she covers the ice very well, a renewed Kiira!
Just finished watching Kiira's programs. My overall first impression was okay. I really enjoyed the SP, though!
Thanks for the links! The sp music is a really annoying version of the beautiful "Over the Rainbow", in my opinion. The programmes are ok, maybe later in the season Kiira can bring out some feeling towards the music?
I loved the SP! I think this version of Over the rainbow is very beautiful and not annoying at all. And the dress was gorgeus as well! FS needs still more passion and interpretation. But it'll come, I'm sure!
YLE is stepping up their game! Apparently they're going to broadcast 4 of the 6 GPs this season (naturally the ones with Kiira and Laura) + the final! Most likely it will be something like top3 from each discipline but still it's better than anything before, so good for them (and us)!
Of course I'm still hoping to be watching everything live from an online feed, like every year
That's really nice!
Do they happen to have a live feed that wouldn't be geoblocked? Or is that just asking for too much ?
I can't believe it! Makes me really happy.
I think that may be asking for a bit too much, unfortunately.
Once YLE posts their GP schedule you should post it in TV Alerts.
Or only ladies.
Please NO! I want to see them all!
After such a newsless summer I now feel like there's something to post every day!
(And HisWeirness, I'll do as you told about the GP broadcasts )
First of all there's a new short interview with Laura on the YLE website. Basically to put it short she says that healthwise she's now OK but doesn't feel fit enough to compete after 4 weeks off the ice. The choreography of her new SP is by Maria McLean like before but apparently is "different and challenging". And her goal for the season is still to medal at Worlds, despite the injury.
But what's even more interesting is that Sportmagasinet on FST5 just featured Cecilia Törn, Alisa Mikonsaari, Beata Papp, Bela Papp, Viktor Zubik and Matthias Versluis! All 6 talked about their strengths and goals for the season. It was filmed at the national team camp in August. I'm really thrilled that we got to see something on tv featuring the juniors! Not that I don't love Kiira and Laura but it's refreshing to see something about others, too.
YLE Areena should have a link for this soon. Unfortunately it can only be viewed in Finland. But I'll watch it again now and edit my post with something from everyone.
Cecilia Törn - Considers her strengths being positive and also good at interpretation. Is thrilled to be participating in the Finlandia Trophy at her home rink. It'll be her first senior competition ever. Goal for the season is to get the 3rd Euro spot.
Alisa Mikonsaari: Strength is interpretation. Says Urmanov is strict but also has a sense of humor. Goal for the season is to get the 3rd Euro spot.
Beata Papp: Strengths are jumps, and maybe also speed and interpretation. She's going to skate senior at Nationals. She was thrilled to get to go to Junior Worlds last season and always enjoys coming back to Finland to see all her skating friends, which she has known since she was a little girl. Would love to participate in Euros and trains hard for it.
Bela Papp: Strengths are interpretation and spin speed. Says that last season was "bad" because of growth spurts but now things are better and he's adjusted to his new body. Is planning to skate one more year in juniors and then probably move up to seniors (in 2011-2012).
Viktor Zubik: Strength is jumps and needs to get spins on the same level. Came to Finland because "the relationships between coaches and skaters" are better here. Says that "you just need to practice and believe in yourself". Says that the competition for the Euro spot behind Nurmenkari is very even.
Matthias Versluis: Strength is interpretation. Has had knee problems which basically ruined his last season but at the moment he's feeling better. He's also training ice dancing twice a week.
Sidenotes: I love the Kuopio dialect of the Papps.
I enjoyed the video clips of the young skaters very much!
^ I also watched that from Yle. You just get short glimpses from their skating, plus some interwiews. But there are Swedish subtitles and Matthias Versluis speaks mostly Swedish, so at least German speakers plus the ones with Scandiavian languages will understand a bit.
Cecilia Törn is very elegant and determinate. I really like her skating style and look forward to compare it to Alisa Mikonsaari´s next weekend. Mikonsaari looked very relaxed. She said that it was via her mother´s friend they got the contact to her current coach Alexei Urmanov. He is demanding, but not too. He even jokes sometimes. I guess Mikonsaari is fluent in Russian. She was wearing a black practice unitard with silver letters "skate" on her bottom (If someone remembers Navka´s Juicy,s/he gets the idea).
Viktor Zubik is surpisingly fluent in Finnish. He said that he only lives for this moment, even though he dreams of the Olys. Matthias Versluis has been suffering the "skater´s knee" the last season and has also tried ice dancing, but is coming backto singles now.
The sisters Papp were also interwiewed. Bela grew a lot last season and was frustrated to lose his jumps, but is now feeling stronger. Beata challenges Mikonsaari and Törn in the Finnish Championships. Her body lines are lovely!
Hanna will surely give you a more detailed translation.
Thanks for the summaries Finnice and Hanna. Quite a competition for the third ladies spot. Do you have a favorite for it? Or is there even a clear favorite?
And who is Viktor Zubik or where is he orignially from?
I for sure don't have a favorite and I don't think there is one. The problem is that all 3 girls have different strengths and weaknesses - but unfortunately none of them is a whole package.
Both Beata and Alisa's biggest strength IMO is consistency with the easier triples. Beata is also quite expressive and a good interpreter IMO and she has nice speed. But both of them don't have skating skills to die for and the spins are nothing amazing either. And of course Beata has apparently been suffering from an injury so don't really know how that'll develop during the fall.
Cecilia Törn is quite different. She is sooo talented and she has programs with AMAZING choreography (done by Maikki Uotila-Kraatz). She has her triples up to the loop and she's expressive as well. But she's a Sasha Cohenesque headcase, unfortunately. Or at least has been so far.
So, who to choose? Someone with maybe more talent and better skating skills but who is OR someone who will probably skate quite well by her own standards but that standard is just average? Of course it'll probably come down to what they score in competitions this fall. I just hope that it won't be based on one competition and PB only.
He's from Estonia but moved to Finland 3 years ago. He won Nationals in junior boys last December with 3t-3t in both programs IIRC but really struggled in his both JGPs so far this season.
I have to say I root Beata for the 3rd Euro spot. Cecilia for sure has very much talent but her nerves really consern me. At the moment, I do not believe she could hold her head together at Euros. Beata on the other hand seems to be quite confident competitor. She dosen't have Cecilia's quality but she has nice speed and is a good performer.
Alisa is my least favoriete at the moment. Jumps are nice but she would need other aspects too. I hope she works on over all quality of her skating and non-jump elements . It would also nice to see her having decent programs and dresses. Hopefully I can see those in Finlandia Trophy!
For the Finns - link. Sucks that it's blocked outside Finland. I thought it was lovely.
But I seem to have a good chance to advertise some of my own videos
Cecilia Törn SP from 09-10 (she's keeping it)
Beata Papp SP from 09-10
Beata Papp FS from 09-10 (keeping it, I think)
Alisa Mikonsaari SP from 09-10 (she's keeping it)
Alisa Mikonsaari FS from 09-10
I don't have videos of the boys from last season on YouTube unfortunately. I have Bela's FS on a memory stick but it's not a very good performance. And I never knew Zubik would have all those triples so I didn't fim him (at Nats, that is).
Thanks for all the updates, translations and the videos guys.
Finnice, Alisa speaks Finnish and Russian equally well (I went to the same school with her brother).
And back to the actual topic I think it's very good for all of them that they're so even. For the girls especially the tough competition should push them in practice as they know they could make it to the team. It's also very good for the future of Finnish figure skating... Also, they need to train hard as there's the young and talented Timila Shrestha coming up!!!
I can't really pick my favourite out of them. I just wish they'd all do well this season. I find Beata's performance skills and musicality very nice and she definitely is very talented as she only switched to Juniors from Novice last season (let's not forget the Canadian record in Novice!). Alisa has a lot to improve in her skating skills and arm movements but it seems like she could get it in a few years time. But she has such a nice Biellmann and her spirals were amazing. Such a shame they're not a real element anymore Cecilia for some reason reminds me of Laura, in a good way. She has such smoothness in her edges and great fluidity.
Speaking of Laura, her loop combo looked very good on the clip (it's from the time AFTER she returned to the ice I guess) so I'm sure she'll do well this season after all.
Posted in the Grand Prix thread today:
I'd also like to add get well wishes to Laura.
I believe that clip was from the national team camp back in August so it was from the time before she got injured. IMO.
Oh, well I may have just gotten too excited Sorry!
Someone posted both Laura's interview and the upcoming skaters' interviews on youtube.
Törn, the Papps, Mikonsaari, Versluis, Zubik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-CHLEV0QY
And that person was also kind enough to subtitle them! Enjoy
Thanks, Ankka! Laura looks great in the video!
Finns, what can you tell us about Juulia TURKKILA's skating? She finished 10th in Dresden with a decent score (116.86), which is pretty close to what Papp scored last year at Junior Worlds. She also had PCS higher than a few girls who finished ahead of her. From the protocols, she only has 3T and 3S, but I'd like to know more about her skating overall
She is a little bit of mystery to me. I know most of the young and promising Finnish skaters but I don't even remember how she looks like!
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