Finnish skating news, part II

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  1. joeperryfan

    joeperryfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing they pay very well, figure skaters have huge expenses and few sources of income after all.
    If I lived in North Korea I'd be very grateful to those who wouldn't refuse to perform in the country since I as a citizen couldn't change the dictatorship or go abroad for new experiences. I don't criticize these skaters one bit and don't understand all the whoopla, it's not like their refusal would bring down the dictator...
     
  2. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    I've seen some of the north korean skating clips on youtube. they were very happy to welcome international skaters and NK like SK. adores FS

    hope to see Laura soon on other int comp.
     
  3. ioana

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    I'm sure these shows are anything but open to the general public and instead only the most loyal and zealous of the working class brethren are allowed access. I think part of the problem with going is the current regime portrays skaters being there as support for their rule (see Nathalie's stories about bowing to Kim's picture). So, while refusing to attend the show definitely wouldn't bring down the dictator, going there does help feed the propaganda machine.
     
  4. kwanfan1818

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    I suspect the loyal and zealous of the working class brethren will be chosen from those weeping and wailing at his father's funeral.
     
  5. ioana

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    Course. Extra food rations and better seats to be given for pulling out your hair, falling to your knees, or any other state-approved displays of grief.
     
  6. love_skate2011

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    this is getting off topic
    but those grief were actually genuine but only because he is the only leader they know and portray him as a god with the help of brainwashing.
     
  7. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Well, to be fair, Lepisto hasn't been receiving prize money (or funding too?) in the past seasons due to her injury and lack of competitive results. So this show may be an important income source for her.
     
  8. IDC a.k.a. Ritti

    IDC a.k.a. Ritti Well-Known Member

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    Quite interestingly, a bulletin for the media from Laura was sent out today by the FFSA, where she was quoted as saying: "I went to the trip with the honest thought of bringing joy to that people, and certainly also to seek the feeling of performing in front of an audiende after a break of almost 1.5 years. Only those two things were on my mind. I'm annoyed about the fact that a completely different purpose and image from the original has been created for the trip. I'm sorry for the confusion and irritation caused by my trip."
     
  9. Finnice

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    ^Ritti beat me. Lepistö sounds sad and upset. Apparnetly she and her manager did not guess that it would cause trouble.
    I hope that she enjoyed skating in front of public again, anyway.
     
  10. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Unless the idea backfires, as appears to be happening.

    By the way, according to her website, she has several "partners," i.e., sponsors, including Nike, Audi, and KMPG. I wouldn't be surprised if she loses some of them now.
     
  11. Finnice

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    ETA The sponsors say that it will not affect their partnership with Lepistö.
     
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  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Finnish news article (Helsingin Sanomat international edition in English): Finnish ex-European Champion takes part in North Korean figure skating event
     
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  13. ioana

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    That's good news for her. I don't think Tomas lost any of his sponsors in the end, either after he went to North Korea last year. I do think the FFSA needs to get their act together, though -Zayak rule fiasco at Euros, not warning Lura about the potential backlash now...hibernating on the job.

    Trying to get back on topic: did Juulia Turkkila ever compete as a Jr this season? Hopefully she can make the adjustment quickly because she has a decent chance of finishing in the top 10 at Jr Worlds in a few weeks.
     
  14. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Turkkila finished 13th (110.58) at the JGP in Estonia this past October, then competed internationally twice as a senior -- Ice Challenge in Graz (9th, 108.97) and Nordics (1st, 138.23 ahead of Joshi Helgesson's 137.38). ETA: Turkkila landed a flawed 3T+3T, 3S and 1A in her Nordics SP, and 3T+2T, 2A+2T+2Lo, 3T and 2A in her 2nd place FS (also a 3S<< and doubles).
     
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  15. ioana

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    Thanks Sylvia! I knew she did quite a few events as a Senior, including Nationals and Euros, but I couldn't remember if she did any Junior event this year. She looks much better now than she did earlier in the season, so I'm hoping she has a good outing in Minsk.

    http://bambuser.com/v/2362550 LP's from Nordics (Juulia's starts around 1hr:09 min)
     
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    OOPS! ;) I forgot that she was at Euros and placed 17th (130.33) - I was looking at Turkkila's ISU bio and missed it! Placing top 10 at Junior Worlds would be a worthy result for Juulia - it's a deep and talented ladies' field this year!
     
  17. Mayra

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    :rofl:

    Well that sure sounds better than, North Korea offered me big $$ to go and it wasn't an offer I could afford to refuse. :p
     
  18. IDC a.k.a. Ritti

    IDC a.k.a. Ritti Well-Known Member

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    cholla Fearless Musher

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    Because they need the money. It's not as if they were courted by all the shows in the world and/or as if there were thousands of shows in the world for everyone to make money.
     
  20. ioana

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    Random fall on her 2axel aside, her spins looked good and she seems to be in great shape. Looking forward to seeing Laura next season :cheer2:

    I think the fact that Plushenko waited until after this show to have his 2 surgeries is a good indication skaters get paid quite a bit for their appearance in the show.
     
  21. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    In the same show was also Shen/Zhao, P/B, Denkova /Staviski and up to last year Yagudin had gone 3 times already. KCNA had him commenting something like like superb organisation, superb county and that he likes skating there, along the lines. Big fuss I say.
     
  23. Vagabond

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    The fact that you don't have any problem with skaters being paid lackeys of a repressive regime doesn't mean the rest of us are fine with it.

    Aren't you Greek? How would you have felt if the junta back in the early 1970's had hired foreign skaters to come in and salute the colonels?
     
  24. ioana

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    KCNA is the NK press agency. I'd take anything they publish with a large grain of salt.
     
  25. allezfred

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    I think we kind of understood that by now. :p

    The US (and other countries) don't have diplomatic relations with North Korea. France, Finland, China, Russia and Bulgaria do. These kind of sporting and cultural exchanges have a role to play in diplomacy. I would imagine the respective governments of the skaters will be interested in their insights on their return too. :sekret:

    Delighted to see top class figure skating, I would imagine. :lol:
     
  26. senorita

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    ^ That:lol:
    But Foreign skaters dont put foot here nowdays either. :shuffle:

    Do you think skaters approve other countries political situations when they go and skate there, besides N. Korea? I can think of one / two countries that their situation is not so "democratic".
     
  27. allezfred

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    Vagabond, do you object to the competitors going to Junior Worlds in Belarus next week?
     
  28. IceIceBaby

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    ^isn't there a difference to skate in a international competition or to skate in front of members of a dictator government in order to celebrate and amuse them?
     
  29. Finnice

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    I am not Vagabond, but I do.
     
  30. Vagabond

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    I am Vagabond. :p

    Precisely.

    This is the distinction I made in Post #568 upthread.

    I don't have a problem with competitors going to Belarus unless it turns out that they do something like bow to portraits of Alexander Lukashenko (see Fabian Bourzat is quoted as saying in Post #555) or saluting him the way many Olympic competitors saluted Hitler back in 1936. I would also have a problem if a gigantic portrait of Lukashenko were displayed in the arena. There have been ISU events in Belarus before, and, as far as I know, nothing of the sort has happened.

    I suppose I do wish that the ISU had chosen to hold the event somewhere else, but there have been so many international competitions organized by the IOC, its member federations, and similar bodies that have been staged in countries with repressive regimes that, once the decision to stage the event in Belarus has been made, I don't see any reason for athletes to boycott it.

    Also, Belarus, while repressive, does not make it as difficult (if not outright impossible) for its citizens to mix with foreign visitors as North Korea does. The opportunity for foreign competitors, coaches, officials, and fans to associate with the locals has got to be a good thing for all involved.