Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Men's ROUND 5

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vagabond, Jul 1, 2012.

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Who Is the Weakest Link

Poll closed Jul 4, 2012.
  1. Ilia Kulik

    23 vote(s)
    10.5%
  2. Alexei Yagudin

    5 vote(s)
    2.3%
  3. Evgeni Plushenko

    9 vote(s)
    4.1%
  4. Stéphane Lambiel

    10 vote(s)
    4.5%
  5. Brian Joubert

    114 vote(s)
    51.8%
  6. Daisuke Takahashi

    20 vote(s)
    9.1%
  7. Patrick Chan

    39 vote(s)
    17.7%
  1. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    The tribe has spoken.

    Jeffrey Buttle (8th) has been voted off.

    The original contestants were the last twelve men to win a World or Olympic title.

    Previous eliminees are:

    Elvis Stojko (9th)
    Evan Lysacek (10th)
    Todd Eldredge (11th)
    Alexei Urmanov (12th)

    Seven skaters remain:


    Who is the weakest link? Use whatever criteria you want.

    Whom am I kidding? Bye, bye, Babou!
  2. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I think I won't vote this round.
    I guess Joubert will be kicking out, but it's too difficult for me to vote for him.
  3. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    I have a huge soft spot for Joubert (maybe his hotness I dunno) but I couldn't think of any reason to vote for any of the others before him. So bye bye Brian and your endless matrix entertainment. :(
  4. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Me, too.
    I voted for Kulik. I know his jumping technique was gorgeous, but I hated his arm use. His skating never moved me. He was a talented "diamond in the rough", but never a finished product.

    I like him better as a pro.
  5. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    There is something to be said for his longevity at least. :)
  6. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Easily Joubert
  7. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Joubert. I am to the point of considering Kulik but I will wait until next round when there is a chance he actually goes.
  8. shady82

    shady82 New Member

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    Joubert. He was only the gold favorite for one year (2007), and won that year. However, artistically he has the least ability in interpreting music and in transitions. Technically, most of the skaters on this list are at least comparable to him, with the exception of Lambiel and Takahashi. Even Takahashi has pulled off a quad toe and salchow in the same program.
  9. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    I am debating what to do with my vote. Though his time is likely up, I don't want to vote off Joubert, and if one looks at competitive careers, I'm not sure he should go before Ilia anyway. I will sit this one out for the time being and ponder things.

    Dai has landed a 4S? When? I know he tried 4F once (two-footed, UR'd) but I don't recall any 4S attempts. Actually, with the exception of Joubert - is there any men's World or Olympic champion who has landed a quad other than the 4T?

    Transitions fall under PCS, but I don't think they should be considered a measure of one's artistry; along with skating skills, they strike me as a more technical component.
  10. Mafke

    Mafke New Member

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    Voting for Joubert until he's out (which should have been before Lysacek, Stojko and maybe Buttle).

    Kulike should also be out by now but Joubert is the bigger priority.
  11. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I totally hated how Ilia skated with his arms out, but I voted out Joubert for the same reasons as the last two votes, even though I like him.
  12. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    Joubert must go.
  13. shady82

    shady82 New Member

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    Never mind - I was thinking of 4CC. But Dai did two quad toes, not a quad toe and salchow.
  14. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

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    Things start to get difficult for me... Voting out Plushenko or Yagudin is totally out of the question.

    I love Joubert and I'm really proud of his achievements. His longevity and capacity to bounce back is extraordinary. Nevertheless, he never had the perfect jumping technique of Kulik neither the musicality of Lambiel and Takahashi. Chan has better spins and better skating skills. So in all fairness I had to vote for Joubert... (and I'm feeling guilty).
  15. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    Could bring myself to vote for Joubert even though he deserves to go.
  16. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Plushenko got 4 votes while Joubert is still there?:confused:
  17. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Amazing isnt it. Joubert is basically a very poor mans Plushenko in ever sense.
  18. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    I've heard poor man's Yagudin before, and I get it - but a comparison to Plushenko? Joubert and Plushenko are nothing alike as skaters. Though Plushy's influence can be seen with many skaters, I'm not sure there's really anyone who's quite like him.
  19. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    He is a combination of a poor mans Yagudin and poor mans Plushenko. He tried hard to mimick Yagudin's style in early years, although that sort of dissapeared. He is a poor mans Plushenko in that all his strengths (powerful and consistent jumping, quadruple jumps and triple axels, solid basic skating and speed over the ice, command and attack, strong posture) and weaknesses (iffy spins, choreography lacking in transitions and in between content, posing spots) are pretty much the same. Even his style and look of skating once he got past the Yagudin wannabee early years was pretty similar I found.

    Either way even if they arent that similar, there isnt a single thing Joubert does better than a prime (aka not the Vancouver version except for someone who only started watching skating in 2009) Plushenko. Joubert if he wasnt such a headcase definitely had a shot at the 2010 Plushenko, but then again so did atleast 5 other guys probably.
  20. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

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    Voted for Joubert....

    I know there are a lot of Patrick Chan haters out there, but he seriously cant be next to go. Both times he has won worlds, he has landed 2 exceptional quads in the long program and have led him to beat Daisuke countless times in the past 2 seasons . And besides Yagudin, Chan has the best skating skills and he deserves to stay around for many more rounds..
  21. shine

    shine Well-Known Member

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    Are you just saying that because well it's Yagudin and he must have the best skating skills?
  22. Subway

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    That's how I look at it when I'm voting.
  23. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    I agree with shine about skating skills, but I agree with you about all the rest. I would even vote for my all time favourite skater Stephane Lambiel before Chan, if it would be possible.

    This time I too voted for Joubert - I won't explain my reasons, as it has already been done over and over again by other people.
  24. IceIceBaby

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    I try to save Joubert by voting Chan :shuffle:
  25. crosses9

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    So there is more interesting in next round..........
  26. fscric

    fscric Active Member

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    It's obvious Patrick will be voted off next round, it will only get interesting after that. I'm actually quite surprised Patrick has lasted that long.
  27. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see Kulik go before Chan. As much as the ridiculous Chanflation of the last couple years is annoying and justly creates alot of the anti Chan sentiment that goes around, he was still a far stronger skater and competitor overall than Kulik. Kulik was a great talent but definitely never fully flourished as an amateur.
  28. Cheylana

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    I agree. I like Kulik just fine, but he is less accomplished than Tara Lipinski, and Tara was targeted early on in the ladies game in part because of her short amateur career. Yet Ilia's amateur career was not much longer, and he has less hardware to show for it.

    Frankly I'd have Chan in the top three, but I guess it won't happen.

    As for Joubert, I sing this to you :saint:
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  29. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

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    This thing could use a a mercy rule about now. :lol:
  30. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Well, since it looks like Baboo will be gone soon, he can spend the rest of the summer doing my yardwork, shirtless, of course.
  31. antmanb

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    I think Joubert is the only champion that has, unless Plush ever landed the quad salchow at Russian nationals or another domestic competition? On the basis that Mroz got the first 4Lz credit, i'm guessing Plush never landed it in competition.
  32. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    And again this problem with skaters who are still competing - the most recent events are influencing people's votes. If Chan had won Worlds this year with clean (or almost clean) performances, I don't think he'd be voted out so soon.
  33. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I think Plushy landed 4S at a Russian Cup competition (domestic), although I can't remember if he landed it in practice or competition there.

    He first tried the 4Lz at the 2001 Cup of Russia, pre-dating Mroz's politiked credit by 10 years. :rofl: It was fully rotated, but he landed on two feet, tried to hang onto it, and ended up on his backside. :( Shame.

    I seem to recall that the reason they put it away after that was because they didn't want to risk Plush hurting himself in an Olympic season, and then after that, with Yagudin retired, he didn't need it anymore. I think he felt a bit lost the first season without Yagudin.


    Anyway, I'm going to sit out this round of voting. After reading about his efforts in the quad thread, I just can't bring myself to vote for Joubert. My next thought was Lambiel (no 3A) but the overall package was so good I can't really go for that either. And no way am I voting out the man with the purest and best jump technique in the sport (Ilia).
  34. shady82

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    I agree that Chan shouldn't be underestimated. He is top-notch skater all-around who manages to produce consistently good material. Sure, he may have been ridiculously overmarked, but objectively he probably should leave after Joubert, Kulik, Lambiel, and even Takahashi.

    I'm surprised Takahashi has almost never appeared in these discussions even though his achievement level is the same as the other skaters being considered for elimination. He is possibly my favorite skater on this list, I'm pleasantly surprised he hasn't been brought up jmuch.
  35. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    I like that Joubert's musical interpretation is so straightforward and sexual. He's pleasing to watch.
  36. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Agree on Kulik and Joubert. Definitely not on Lambiel or Takahashi. Chan has nothing on them other than jump consistency (or does he really, lol) and skating skills (and of course bigtime Chanflation that gives him scores 40 points per competition higher than those other two would get for the same performances). Maybe he has better spins than Takahashi, but way worse spins than Lambiel, although I bet his spin scores are still higher than Lambiel's given how Chan is scored.
  37. blue_idealist

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    I'm surprised more people haven't considered voting out Takahashi, but he's just such an artist and so beloved. I don't plan on voting him out until Joubert, Kulik, Chan, and Lambiel are gone. I might even vote for him over Plushenko (er, I guess I mean NOT vote for him, to keep him in lol).
  38. shady82

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    I actually agree with you on Lambiel and Takahashi. Chan was ridiculously inflated at the 2012 Worlds, and unable to skate cleanly in either portion of the competition, while Takahashi skated an SP of a similar level and a clean FP. His only real advantage over Takahashi is skating skills, and his presentation/artistry is well below Takahashi's. He really could not get into the choreography for his Take Five SP.

    Without the ridiculous inflation, Chan's only valid World title, IMO, is 2011.

    Lambiel similarly deserved both his 2005 and 2006 titles, no doubt about it.
  39. shady82

    shady82 New Member

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    I completely agree with you.
  40. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I agree. Takahashi deserved to win both the GP final and Worlds (especialy Worlds last year) so should be a 2 time World Champion. Lambiel deserved both his World titles as well. Chan undoubtably was the clear and undisputed winner of 2011. So without the ridiculous judging at last years Worlds both would be more accomplished than Chan right now as well, and Lambiel arguably is anyway due to his Olympic silver.