Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Men's Final Three

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vagabond, Jul 16, 2012.

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Who is the weakest link?

Poll closed Jul 21, 2012.
  1. Alexei Yagudin

    51 vote(s)
    14.7%
  2. Stéphane Lambiel

    154 vote(s)
    44.3%
  3. Daisuke Takahashi

    143 vote(s)
    41.1%
  1. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    The tribe has spoken.

    Evgeni Plushenko (4th) has been voted off. :violin: <------ Edvard Marton smilie

    The original contestants were the last twelve men to win a World or Olympic title.

    Previous eliminees are:

    Ilia Kulik (5th)
    Patrick Chan (6th)
    Brian Joubert (7th)
    Jeffrey Buttle (8th)
    Elvis Stojko (9th)
    Evan Lysacek (10th)
    Todd Eldredge (11th)
    Alexei Urmanov (12th)

    Okay, folks! There is nowhere left to hide. You have to eliminate one of your favorites!

    :EVILLE:

    The three remaining skaters are:

    • Alexei Yagudin: Worlds 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, Olys 2002, Worlds Silver 2001, Worlds Bronze 1997
    • Stéphane Lambiel: Worlds 2005, 2006, Olys Silver 2006, Worlds Bronze 2007
    • Daisuke Takahashi: Worlds 2010, Worlds Silver 2007, 2012, Olys Bronze 2010

    Alexei Yagudin Competitive Highlights
    Stéphane Lambiel Competitive Highlights
    Daisuke Takahashi Competitive Highlights

    Bonus videos:

    Alexei Yagudin

    Worlds 1999 SP
    Worlds 1999 FS
    Worlds 2000 SP
    Worlds 2000 FS
    Worlds 2001 SP
    Worlds 2001 FS

    Stéphane Lambiel

    Worlds 2004 SP
    Worlds 2005 FS
    Worlds 2007 SP
    Worlds 2007 FS
    Euros 2008 SP
    Euros 2008 FS

    Daisuke Takahashi

    Skate America 2005 SP
    Skate America 2005 FS
    Four Continents 2011 SP
    Four Continents 2011 FS
    Worlds 2012 SP
    Worlds 2012 FS

    Who is the weakest link? Use whatever criteria you want.

    :watch:
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2012
  2. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    Still can't believe Plushenko got the boot. Lambiel for me this time, again.
  3. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    My criteria is gonna go by looks, so Takahashi gets the boot.
  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Takahashi. Lambiel has more World titles, a higher Olympic medal, and 2 GP final wins to 0 for Takahashi.
  5. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    I think Takahashi is the clear weak link here. All three are, to me, quite provocative and artistic, and lovely to watch, but Takahashi has by far the weakest list of achievements.
  6. shady82

    shady82 New Member

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    Lambiel. Takahashi may have the weakest resume, but based on overall performances, he still ranks better. Takahashi should have won Worlds in both 2010 and 2012. And while Lambiel has a higher medal color at the Olympics, his 2006 Olympic performances weren't good at all. He was just lucky to win a medal in an utter splatfest.

    I also prefer Takahashi's style. I found Lambiel to be sloppy at times, and his Four Seasons program, in particular, was a mess.
  7. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    At least Lambiel was a hot mess
  8. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    :rolleyes: :slinkaway :scream:
  9. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    Since Plushy left last round, I decided to take advantage of the "no criteria" and voted with my personal likings.
  10. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    Agreed!
  11. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

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    This!
  12. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    I will continue to vote for Lambiel
  13. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    :confused: He did win in 2010.
  14. Kunstrijdster

    Kunstrijdster New Member

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    And there goes the purpose of voting Plushy off. The only reason why I voted for Plush was that a face off between him and Yags was pretty predictable. Apparently not even the combined power of Lambiel and Takahashi can stop Yagudin, I was kidding myself anyway when I thought it could be close. Still, he gets my vote :D
  15. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately had to vote for Takahashi again. I think that he and Lambiel are pretty equal, but I just love Lambiel even more.
  16. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.. I missed that mistake too even though I wasn't the OP of that.. I think the original poster meant 2011.. ??
  17. t.mann

    t.mann New Member

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    :rofl: :mitchell: at top 3 strong champions being Yagudin-Lambiel-Takahashi, not Yagudin-Plushenko-Chan.
    Although I think Lambiel is almost the only true artist since Curry.
  18. fscric

    fscric Active Member

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    Someone truly believes Takahashi should have won 2011 World?

    Well, my prediction that Lambiel and Plushenko would go before Takahashi is correct, though the order is different.
  19. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    I'm guessing that shady82 was just saying that Takahashi should be a two-time World Champion as well, so the fact of Lambiel having two World titles doesn't (for him/her) count against the former the way it does for some voters in this poll.
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  20. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    To tell the truth, I don't believe that Daisuke could have won this year. Even if his and Chan's component scores had been identical, it wouldn't be enough for Dai to close the gap in both programs. I know that many people think that Daisuke's components should be higher than Patrick's, but I don't believe that either, as there are areas (skating skills, transitions) where Chan is a bit superior. Choreography, interpretation - depends on what points judges see as more important, and also on taste (for me the choreo of Daisuke's programs was more original, and his personal understanding of music - better, but if we look at rules, there are also other things that are taken into account). Imho, the only component where Dai was clearly superior was P/E, but even that is subjective. I am not going into the technical score and GOEs now.
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  21. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if I'm just sleepy, but I'm not making sense tonight. I actually just think Takahashi should have won the 2012 Worlds. I don't know why I said 2011. Haha.
  22. senorita

    senorita New Member

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    Undecided yuet but there are still days :).
    I cant vote for lambiel. I have the sweetest memory of him crying in Torino podium plus I truly loved his four seasons costume very much and he made people imagine a zebra watching the snow for the first time in reality.
    Also the last time I saw him in competition, in Euros 2010 his Lp was a joy to end the competition. I have this moment well in my heart.
    I need arguments for the two left. Daisuke is more flaboyant - my type of skater and I have his programs more fresh in my memory...and has surely the best hair of the three.
  23. natalia65

    natalia65 New Member

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    Me either. Vote for Takahashi.
  24. lily

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    yeah, but Stéphane is still loosing. Where are all Stéphane fans? :D
  25. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

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    Voting Yagudin. I'm a fan, his 1999 worlds FS is amazing, I love his "Broken Arrow" FS that he dropped, his 2001 Chopin sp and Gladiator FS at their best were nearly orgasmic. :D

    However, as powerful as he can be, he's clearly does not quite the same level of skating skill that Takahashi or Lambiel have. His programs were effective, but were mostly variations of the same program year in and year out. Every program also always had a dead point around 3/4 of the way into the program where he would just skate around hunched over doing mediocre spirals and spread eagles before trying to take it home with the footwork. He rarely could hold a camel spin more than two revolutions and frequently landed jumps hunched over like Stojko.

    His wins in 98 and 2000 were from poorly skated events that he was lucky to win. He only skated his best at 1999 worlds and the 2002 Olympics/Worlds.

    His 2002 programs were safe and disappointing. The LP is his least inspired of his senior career, and *unpopular opinion alert*, his sp wasn't as good as his 1999 or 2001 sps.

    But he's hot as f*ck though.
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  26. robinhood

    robinhood Active Member

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    You're very brave, casken!

    btw, I agree 100% with you
  27. senorita

    senorita New Member

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    you are not alone, Broken arrow of Yagudin is my fav program of his, together with R. etude sp (and Winter of course) and may I say Tosca, and I love it much more than MITIM or Gladiator.
    I m repeating myself from previous polls,lol.
  28. Jaana

    Jaana Well-Known Member

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    I voted for Yagudin. Why have Takahashi and Lambiel fans not united so far and voted Yagudin out, LOL.
  29. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

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    Agree completely with this statement. I never really understood why Winter got the reaction it did. I remember the first time i saw it I cracked up laughing at what I then described on RSSIF as the riduclous toe picky-picky steps :lol:

    Also agree!
  30. Zokko!

    Zokko! Comansnala?

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    As a die hard Yags fan I've to agree in many ways (but please!!! take the Stojko comparison
    away! ;) ), but, I just cannot vote for/against him, I SIMPLY CAN'T!!! :shuffle: All those memories ... :swoon:

    Neither I can vote for/against Stephane and/or Daisuke ... so I guess I'll quit!
    Yes, call me a coward ... :slinkaway
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  31. gingercrush

    gingercrush New Member

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    Meh the choice is easy. Yagudin has to win this contest otherwise it is a crock of shit. I love Lambiel and Takahashi but they should never have been top 3. It is quite the joke.


    ...

    EDIT:

    Actually meh mens skating as a whole is actually rather weak when you think about it. Long gone are we from the days of super skaters like Orser and Boitano or even Olympics headcaser Browning.
  32. ciocio

    ciocio New Member

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    Yagudin. Sorry.
  33. Nan

    Nan Just me

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    Perhaps because not everyone hates him quite as much as you seem to. ;)
  34. shine

    shine Well-Known Member

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    Yags is clearly winning. So I'm voting for Takahashi. I just don't think he has quite the range that Lambiel has. He's pretty much his flamboyant self in all his programs, more one dimensional.
  35. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Voted for Yags just because I want my dream final of Lambiel vs Takahashi :eville:
  36. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    So, is anyone basing his or her vote on technical ability?

    <crickets>

    Apropos of nothing, I love this move and the skater's reaction to pulling it off. :swoon:
  37. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I loved Lambiel when he was competing but now I watch his programs, plus Yagudin's and Takahashi's and I'm really underwhelmed by Lambiel. I wonder why that is. Btw, I watched Takahashi's 2008 Cyber Swan SP at 4CC last night - I forgot how good that one was! It's making me consider voting Yagudin out in the next round, if it's both him and Takahashi.
  38. FunnyBut

    FunnyBut Well-Known Member

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    I comes down to the best of 6.0 vs the best of COP. Although strangely, the very best of COP, Patrick Chan, is missing (while Takahashi, who at the very height of his career, can't beat Chan, is still here).:shuffle: I'm thinking if Chan wins in Sochi, somehow Takahashi would still beat him in this poll.

    Guess that means I'll have to vote Takahashi, though Lambiel's 3A bothers me too. I had wished the final 3 were Yagudin, Plush, and Chan, not necessarily my favorite skaters, but the greatest champs.
  39. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    It's normal. People change, their tastes and perceptions change. Funny how for me it's the exact opposite. I liked Lambiel before 2008, but didn't love him like I started to love him after I first saw 'Poeta' (I didn't see it at 2007 Worlds for some reason, and at the time I still was not watching any other competitions except Worlds, Euros and Olympics). Then, as some years went by, and I saw new and new interesting programs from Lambiel, I practically wrote his pre-2007 programs off as artistically inferior, and not very interesting for me. Only recently I decided to rewatch those older programs/performances, and truly appreciated them for the first time.
  40. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    All of their artistry is terrible.