Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Men's Final Four

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vagabond, Jul 12, 2012.

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Who is the Weakest Link?

Poll closed Jul 16, 2012.
  1. Alexei Yagudin

    18 vote(s)
    4.6%
  2. Evgeni Plushenko

    137 vote(s)
    34.9%
  3. Stéphane Lambiel

    113 vote(s)
    28.8%
  4. Daisuke Takahashi

    124 vote(s)
    31.6%
  1. reflect

    reflect New Member

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    It cause me to check the visiter flow. it's various from different tracking site and i am sure it's not 100% correct. Just for fun and as reference:

    Fsuniverse:
    1. UNITED STATES: 45.5%
    UNITED KINGDOM: 11.1%
    OTHER: 43.4%
    2. United States: 48%
    India: 8.5%
    3. United States: 24.8%
    India: 12.0% (seriously? So many visitor from India?)

    And I checked other sites as well
    Goldenskate.com
    1. United States:40%
    Hungary:7.3%
    2. United States: 44.7%

    Fsonline.ru
    1. Russia: 98.7%
    2. Russia: 100.0%


    Left people feel cold doesn't mean they are weak. It only means people don't like them. To me Chan is stronger than Kulik for his achievement and skill. although I like the late more.



    Need (relative) objective criteria to make (relative) objective result. Anything which can be conversed to data: skill, achievement, record......just as what COP does.

    But anyway, the poll is only for fun and people can provide their subjective selection since there is no rule:lol:
     
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  2. reflect

    reflect New Member

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    No, he would win 2001:lol:
     
  3. Proustable

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    Yeah, those biased Americans, voting for the Russian guy instead of the Swiss or Japanese or.... Russian guy.

    The question for me: does Plushenko's titanic record, one that is entirely deserving (I can't think of a single competition he deserved to lose that he won) overcome the fact that I don't actually enjoy watching him. The fact is, if this was Survivor, the other three would gang up on him because of his obvious superiority in terms of competitive strength (so essentially, the first immunity challenge he loses, he's outta there!). Plushenko is an amazing athlete and competitor. But he hasn't caused to me to think differently about the sport the way Lambiel or Takahashi has. So between Yagudin and Plushenko, the one I like less is the one I voted for.

    Which, of course, is a mindbogglingly ridiculous argument.
     
  4. Kunstrijdster

    Kunstrijdster New Member

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    I really like Yags but my final two would be Lambiel and Takahashi. That's insanely difficult because Lambiel is still doing great stuff in shows while Daisuke has only become better and better over the last years. It's almost insane to vote for Plushy as the weakest link now but what other way is there to keep Daisuke and Stéphane in? I'd actually consider giving Yags my vote at this point because his show stuff is IMO just not as great to watch as, for example, Lambiel's but let's be real he is running away with this. Sorry Plush :D
     
  5. shady82

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    Really, Plushenko should not be going out at this point. I actually liked a lot of his programs, especially his ones from from 2004 and before. Artistically, I enjoyed him, and he wasn't lacking in spins and footwork. Transitions, maybe, but which male skaters at that time really had a lot of transitions anyways? Buttle and Savoie, maybe, but none of the top contenders. He could do a 4toe-3toe-2loop too.

    Post-2004, all his programs were mediocre. He only held up against the competition because he could do the quad consistently and skate two clean, consecutive programs. The other skaters he was competing against didn't do so when they needed to.

    But weakest link, he certainly is not.

    The competition should be Lambiel vs. Takahashi. Lambiel has a better de facto record. However, Takahashi should have 2 world titles as well (should've won 2012). His Olympic medal-winning programs were also far better than Lambiel, who was lucky to put out two mediocre programs at the Olympics in a splatfest and end up with silver. Lambiel's performances when he won gold weren't spectacular, either. He did skate a great LP in 2004 that may win in other years, but also bombed the SP (though in 2004 the results wouldn't have turned out differently with a clean SP).

    With similar records, I'm choosing Lambiel first because I personally prefer Takahashi. I too found Lambiel sloppy at times. I never liked his Four Seasons program.
     
  6. reflect

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    It's useless to say bias or not. Every forum has its fan group, big or small. I am not sure if Yagudin has most fans, but I think he has most fan on his achievment level on here. For example, even if Chan have most fan here, he definitely is not on Plushy or Yags's achievement level (maybe after he get the Sochi OGM he will). Sometimes people's skill and achievment cannot protect him from people not enjoying their skating. Chan has been voted out, so does Plushy this round (maybe next)......But if there is not enough chan or plushy fan in FSU, it's their problem.

    "If Plushenko was 3 yrs old than Yagudin" is just the same as "if Yagudin didn't retire after 2002".

    Furthermore, the poll is not based on win or not. Kulik won more against Yagudin, but Kulik has been voted out. Plushenko won more against Lambiel, but he got more vote than Lambiel. Again, it's a game with NO rule. people can select what they want as they will. If you don't have enough colleague, then just leave or tolerate ;)
     
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  7. reflect

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    How about 2012 Russian National and Euro? Did he rob Arthur's Gold? (Just a question)
     
  8. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    Zhenya is NOT the weak link. :mad: Yagudin was soo overrated
    Plushy has the longevity, charcter, jumps and imo even better memorable moments :mad:

    Dai as much as I love him is not better than Pluschenko
    and this is WTF :eek: Lambiel should have been voted off a few rounds earlier
    he was not a dominant skater like the others left.
     
  9. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how many people would have voted Yags but, like me, figured no one else was going to and didn't want to throw a vote away. :lol:
     
  10. reflect

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    Sweetie, you can shout louder, to see if anything will change:rofl:
     
  11. misskarne

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    Plushenko has THAT many votes?! How?!?!?!?!!? :eek:

    It would seem some people just can't push aside the rubbish they've been fed by the NA press and accept that the guy is a special, incredible skater...:rolleyes:

    All those years, all those medals, consistency, technical merit, artistry...and yet people think he's the weakest link? COME ON. :rolleyes:
     
  12. satchelpooch318

    satchelpooch318 New Member

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    I swear, some of the figurative and angsty hand-wringing and hair-pulling in this thread is quite entertaining to behold...and yeah, my vote contributed to it. :D
     
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  13. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    :lol: You are too funny!

    Thank you for brightening my evening. :)
     
  14. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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    Some people voted Stojko out for the same reason. ;)
     
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    Oh, so different and interesting opinions!

    My vote went to Lambiel. I adored him in 2005-2006 but then he started to bore me. Now enjoy Takahashi more.
     
  16. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly !! :mad:

    and why is Lambiel still in the list ? :shuffle:
    he is the weakest link and was not throughout a dominant skater in his career
     
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  18. yaya124

    yaya124 New Member

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    The reason is very simple, because he was not a dominant skater, he has less haters around:lol:
     
  19. lily

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    Why Yagudin is then so adored here? He was very dominant :D There should be some other reasons... LOL
     
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  20. yaya124

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    My comments is regarding why Lambiel is still here. :D

    Yagudin was a great skater, I have no objection that he wins this poll although he is not my favorite. Why he is adored here? That is all about taste. Many people HERE likes his style of skating (which does not automatically mean that his style is loved by ALL people watching FS), as simple as that. :)
     
  21. vodkashot

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    Yes, the people who voted for Plush are OBVIOUSLY mindless drones incapable of forming their own opinions except for what is spoonfed to them by Hamilton, Bezic et al.....:rolleyes:

    Let's face it, every single skater in the top four is a special, incredible skater to have survived this long in the poll. When the quality of skaters is this high, people look at different things to split hairs--isn't that the point of a poll like this? If we're just looking at medals, there's no point of having a poll at all. I'm sure everyone here can count.
     
  22. yaya124

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    Correct a little bit of my post: Compare to Plushenko, achievement prevents Yagudin from voting out of the list against Dai and Lambiel and his style is better appreciated here at FSU. :p
     
  23. reflect

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    :lol:Let's make things more clear. It's not a poll for medal because everyone know who have more medals (well, what if we can put Ulrich Salchow and other elder skater in the list:D). But there is something above medals and number!—— the free will and personal taste!!!

    If people cann't stop the judge or system give medals to skater they don't enjoy, you cann't stop them to provide their opinion about like and unlike. Or why Elvis Stojko left so early and Chan left before Kulik?

    Btw: artistry is subjective. everyone can claim their favourate with most artistry. Something make you cry may make others vomit:p
     
  24. Zokko!

    Zokko! Comansnala?

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember this poll has been announced as an "use-whatever-criteria" one right from the begin. If this here would be only about medals and achievements, Plushenko is the clear winner. But then we wouldn't need a poll like that, only a look at the statistics. But there's more than just countable facts, and that's what this poll about.

    Btw., I'm from Europe! ;)
     
  25. plushyta

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    How much I can read, question is: "Who is the Weakest Link?" ... not: "Who is most popular?", or "Who is my the most lovable skater?" :confused:

    ... therefore, some "historical" facts and objective reasons must exist in this poll :cool:
     
  26. Proustable

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    Trust me, if I didn't use historical facts/objective reasons, I would've voted for Plushenko far earlier than I did.
     
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  27. yaya124

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    Come on, this is just for fun, the result of this poll means nothing. So just relax and see who is the one left in the end. But I guess, it would be Yagudin.
     
  28. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    Plushenko is receiving so many votes because he lacks artistic style and flair and entertainment value, not because he is Russian or because he was dominant. Consistently landing jumps means nothing if you can't captivate an audience, IMO. Evgeni lacks originality and genuine passion and feeling and tends to bore people with his stale, soulless programs, much the same way that Lysacek and Chan does. :shuffle:
     
  29. senorita

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    Oy, he certainly does, doesnt he?
    He also lacks a big nose.

    So it was you snoring next to me at Euros in Sheffield.:cool:

    I ll vote for Yagudin to be more original :)
     
  30. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Yes, we only form opinions by reading not from actually WATCHING competitions.:blah: