Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Men's Final Four

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vagabond, Jul 12, 2012.

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Who is the Weakest Link?

Poll closed Jul 16, 2012.
  1. Alexei Yagudin

    18 vote(s)
    4.6%
  2. Evgeni Plushenko

    137 vote(s)
    34.9%
  3. Stéphane Lambiel

    113 vote(s)
    28.8%
  4. Daisuke Takahashi

    124 vote(s)
    31.6%
  1. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    The tribe has spoken.

    Ilia Kulik (5th) has been voted off.

    The original contestants were the last twelve men to win a World or Olympic title.

    Previous eliminees are:

    Patrick Chan (6th)
    Brian Joubert (7th)
    Jeffrey Buttle (8th)
    Elvis Stojko (9th)
    Evan Lysacek (10th)
    Todd Eldredge (11th)
    Alexei Urmanov (12th)

    If you thought last round was tough, this weak is tougher!

    :EVILLE:

    The four remaining skaters are:

    • Alexei Yagudin: Worlds 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, Olys 2002, Worlds Silver 2001, Worlds Bronze 1997
    • Evgeni Plushenko: Worlds 2001, 2003, 2004, Olys 2006, Olys Siliver 2002, 2010, Worlds Silver 1999, Worlds Bronse 1998
    • Stéphane Lambiel: Worlds 2005, 2006, Olys Silver 2006, Worlds Bronze 2007
    • Daisuke Takahashi: Worlds 2010, Worlds Silver 2007, 2012, Olys Bronze 2010

    Bonus videos:

    Alexei Yagudin Worlds 1999 SP
    Alexei Yagudin Worlds 1999 FS
    Alexei Yagudin Worlds 2000 SP
    Alexei Yagudin Worlds 2000 FS

    Evgeni Plushenko Worlds 2001 SP
    Evgeni Plushenko Worlds 2001 FS
    Evgeni Plushenko Worlds 2004 SP
    Evgeni Plushenko Worlds 2004 FS

    Stéphane Lambiel Worlds 2004 SP
    Stéphane Lambiel Worlds 2004 FS
    Stéphane Lambiel Worlds 2007 SP
    Stéphane Lambiel Worlds 2007 FS

    Daisuke Takahashi Four Continents 2011 SP
    Daisuke Takahashi Four Continents 2011 FS
    Daisuke Takahashi Worlds 2012 SP
    Daisuke Takahashi Worlds 2012 FS

    Who is the weakest link? Use whatever criteria you want, and let the :argue: :angryfire and :wuzrobbed begin!

    :watch:
  2. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I voted for Lambiel. I can't possibly vote out Yagudin or Plushenko with their competitive track records (especially Plushenko's!) and I think Takahashi is the most gifted artist on ice EVER, so Lambiel it is. He was often inconsistent anyway.. I mean, with falls, not necessarily placements, because even with falls he was often still the best skater in the competitions he entered, partly because after Plushenko retired for the first time there was no skater who was very consistent until Lysacek became so in the late '00s (2009 to be quite specific).
  3. bartek

    bartek New Member

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    This is so tough I can't really decide. I love Daisuke and Stephane, the greatest artists but Plushenko's career speaks for itself and it makes up for his flaws. Hmmm, I think that it's probably Yagudin's turn.
  4. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    ^^ Lysacek was consistent, but it was more like, consistently in the medals. He didn't have a great year the season he won Worlds, and he lost at CoC and Nats in the Olympic season. Speaking of consistency, Joubert actually had a pretty good run in the first two post-Turin seasons, while Lambiel only won three events in that entire Olympic cycle: 2006 Skate Canada, the 2007-8 GPF, and 2009 Nebelhorn. Granted he missed a season, but that's still kind of uninspiring.

    For me, this round should be about Lambiel vs. Takahashi. After explaining why I felt Dai deserves to stay in previous rounds, I have persuaded myself that he should also defeat Stephane. Both of them are superb skaters who could have done more with their talent and abilities and were plagued by inconsistency - some of it health-related, but they're not the only skaters in this list to have dealt with medical problems. Still, Takahashi did have more performances in which he lived up to his potential, or at least came close to it. Lambiel had fewer such skates, and wasn't particularly good when he won his first Worlds or his Olympic medal.

    Sorry, Stephane. You're still amazing.
  5. vodkashot

    vodkashot New Member

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    Yagudin, Plushenko, Lambiel, Takahashi. Three skaters I adore and one who leaves me completely cold.

    Screw logic! Screw medals!

    I'm voting Plushenko out.
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  6. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

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    My admiration for Lambiel doesn't prevent me to vote him out. I'll try to post my reasons latter but I can add a few right now (having in mind that I'm comparing him with the remaining skaters):
    - 1st world title in 05 with a FS with a bunch of mistakes and in the absence of Plushenko;
    - 2nd world title in 06 - mistake in the Fs.
    - do I need to mention his problems with the triple axel?
    - Inconsistent;
    In all fairness, the two guys making it into the big final must be Yagudin and Plushenko.
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  7. Mafke

    Mafke New Member

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    By process of eliminating those I can't vote for (through enjoyment or respect) voted for Takahashi. Record can't compare with Yag or Plush and I enjoy Lambiel much more.
  8. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Voted for Takahashi.

    Plushenko's record and technical dominance are indisputable and younger Plushenko was not considered artistically deficient either. If Lambiel were scored the way Chan, Lysacek, Joubert and even Plushenko are he would have won every Worlds or Olympics from 2004-2007 (not saying he deserved to win all those btw, just if he were scored like they are, aka as overscored as they all are, he still would have). Yagudin is the best ever.

    So sadly Takahshi is the one to go for me even though he would be the 2010 Olympics, 2010 World, and 2012 World Champion himself with fair judging.
  9. Macassar88

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    Time for Lambiel to go. Then Takahashi.
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    Voted Lambiel

    It was between him and Takahashi. Kind of a toss up, but Lambiel was sloppy at times.

    I'm having trouble understanding how Plushenko could go out now.
  11. crankyintheAM

    crankyintheAM New Member

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    It was between Lambiel and Takahashi for me, I voted Lambiel because I like him much better now, doing shows, than I ever liked him while he was competing.

    Not a big fan of Plushenko but I can't believe he's gotten so many votes already.
  12. t.mann

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    Dai's turn.

    Great musicality and great performer.
    But not true artist like Lambiel.
    And somewhat weak jumps(questionable 3Lz edge etc.).
  13. Glacier cat

    Glacier cat New Member

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    I can't believe why Plushenko is weaker than Lambiel or Takahashi!!? lol
    This is American board! Very silly result. Very biased people's forum!!! XD :lol:
  14. Glacier cat

    Glacier cat New Member

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    I can say It doesn't mean Plushenko is really weaker than others. These 31 people cannot see what is the real because of distaste. I'm sure. :rolleyes:

    Or they mix up this poll's aim with popularity poll.
  15. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    People are voting Plushenko out for the same reason they voted out Lysacek and Chan -- because whatever his accomplishments, his performances left them cold.
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  16. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Different people have different voting criteria (and no, it's actually a very global board). I voted for the one remaining of the four who holds my attention the least on ice. Medals be damned, there is more to figure skating than consistency.
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  17. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, Plushenko's leaving?! I guess personal qualities really do matter.
  18. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    This ^
  19. snoopysnake

    snoopysnake Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, Kulik is much better than Yagudin. I know I am in the minority but I have always thought Yags was inferior to both Plushenko and Kulik.
  20. shine

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    2003 Worlds QR? 2004 Worlds LP? 2005 Worlds QR and 2005 Worlds SP? 2006 Worlds QR AND LP? Those are some technically superb skates.
    Takahashi has always had strong SP's. But I'm not sure he has as many memorable LP's as Lambiel.

    Yes, a mistake on the TRIPLE LOOP, while landing one 4toe, one 4toe-3toe, one 3axel, one tripe-triple, and and another triple-double combo.

    While some people argue that Lambiel was sloppy at times, it's not like Takahashi was always the skater that he is now. In his earlier days he was a lot less polished and his programs not nearly as interesting. People seem to give him more benefit of the doubt because he has had greater longevity (and competition appearances) than Lambiel and people have come to become more familiar with the Takahashi today than what he used to be.
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  21. Proustable

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    The 3A was ur'ed.
  22. alchemy void

    alchemy void Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I didn't realized how much Yags is overrated here. Hot, great skater, charismatic as feck, but I don't think his skating holds up that well over time. (Although Winter is still orgasmically good!)
  23. shine

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    And it shouldn't have been.
  24. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I actually was less impressed with Takahashi around 2006 or 2007. He was just another good skater and not as you say, what he is now. But I don't think Stephane was ever as good as what Takahashi is now (practically a SkateGod IMO!!)
  25. plushyta

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    In another case, my favorite for the weakest links would be Takahashi, then Lambiel and Yagudin ... and as strongest, ofc Plushenko. :)
    But since here, without any sense, Yagudin have less votes, I voted for him - just because of his weak nerves :p

    Plushy is currently the weakest link? :eek: Ridiculously.... or you are so influenced by media propaganda? :slinkaway
  26. SamuraiK

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    Seriously people YAGUDIN is NOT much superior to the other three. He's been treated like an untouchable god here..

    Anyways, my vote goes to Takahashi. Brilliant awesome skater but I think he has the lesser legacy on the sport so far..
  27. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I think I may vote for Takahashi...it was very hard to choose between him and Lambiel...so I flipped a coin. :shuffle:
  28. Glacier cat

    Glacier cat New Member

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    Seems that People here don't want to realize that he was 3 years old than Plushenko. If Plushenko was 3 yrs old than Yagudin, then, Yagudin never won against Plushenko... :rolleyes:
  29. Glacier cat

    Glacier cat New Member

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    He's being untouchable here. He is "Honorary North American" because when he was living in USA, he said many ideal:lol: words for American :rolleyes:
  30. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    I cannot believe plushy has the most votes. I'm not a fan AT ALL and I understand he was/is overmarked, but consistency is a huge part of skating
  31. reflect

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    It cause me to check the visiter flow. it's various from different tracking site and i am sure it's not 100% correct. Just for fun and as reference:

    Fsuniverse:
    1. UNITED STATES: 45.5%
    UNITED KINGDOM: 11.1%
    OTHER: 43.4%
    2. United States: 48%
    India: 8.5%
    3. United States: 24.8%
    India: 12.0% (seriously? So many visitor from India?)

    And I checked other sites as well
    Goldenskate.com
    1. United States:40%
    Hungary:7.3%
    2. United States: 44.7%

    Fsonline.ru
    1. Russia: 98.7%
    2. Russia: 100.0%


    Left people feel cold doesn't mean they are weak. It only means people don't like them. To me Chan is stronger than Kulik for his achievement and skill. although I like the late more.



    Need (relative) objective criteria to make (relative) objective result. Anything which can be conversed to data: skill, achievement, record......just as what COP does.

    But anyway, the poll is only for fun and people can provide their subjective selection since there is no rule:lol:
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  32. reflect

    reflect New Member

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    No, he would win 2001:lol:
  33. Proustable

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    Yeah, those biased Americans, voting for the Russian guy instead of the Swiss or Japanese or.... Russian guy.

    The question for me: does Plushenko's titanic record, one that is entirely deserving (I can't think of a single competition he deserved to lose that he won) overcome the fact that I don't actually enjoy watching him. The fact is, if this was Survivor, the other three would gang up on him because of his obvious superiority in terms of competitive strength (so essentially, the first immunity challenge he loses, he's outta there!). Plushenko is an amazing athlete and competitor. But he hasn't caused to me to think differently about the sport the way Lambiel or Takahashi has. So between Yagudin and Plushenko, the one I like less is the one I voted for.

    Which, of course, is a mindbogglingly ridiculous argument.
  34. Kunstrijdster

    Kunstrijdster New Member

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    I really like Yags but my final two would be Lambiel and Takahashi. That's insanely difficult because Lambiel is still doing great stuff in shows while Daisuke has only become better and better over the last years. It's almost insane to vote for Plushy as the weakest link now but what other way is there to keep Daisuke and Stéphane in? I'd actually consider giving Yags my vote at this point because his show stuff is IMO just not as great to watch as, for example, Lambiel's but let's be real he is running away with this. Sorry Plush :D
  35. shady82

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    Really, Plushenko should not be going out at this point. I actually liked a lot of his programs, especially his ones from from 2004 and before. Artistically, I enjoyed him, and he wasn't lacking in spins and footwork. Transitions, maybe, but which male skaters at that time really had a lot of transitions anyways? Buttle and Savoie, maybe, but none of the top contenders. He could do a 4toe-3toe-2loop too.

    Post-2004, all his programs were mediocre. He only held up against the competition because he could do the quad consistently and skate two clean, consecutive programs. The other skaters he was competing against didn't do so when they needed to.

    But weakest link, he certainly is not.

    The competition should be Lambiel vs. Takahashi. Lambiel has a better de facto record. However, Takahashi should have 2 world titles as well (should've won 2012). His Olympic medal-winning programs were also far better than Lambiel, who was lucky to put out two mediocre programs at the Olympics in a splatfest and end up with silver. Lambiel's performances when he won gold weren't spectacular, either. He did skate a great LP in 2004 that may win in other years, but also bombed the SP (though in 2004 the results wouldn't have turned out differently with a clean SP).

    With similar records, I'm choosing Lambiel first because I personally prefer Takahashi. I too found Lambiel sloppy at times. I never liked his Four Seasons program.
  36. reflect

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    It's useless to say bias or not. Every forum has its fan group, big or small. I am not sure if Yagudin has most fans, but I think he has most fan on his achievment level on here. For example, even if Chan have most fan here, he definitely is not on Plushy or Yags's achievement level (maybe after he get the Sochi OGM he will). Sometimes people's skill and achievment cannot protect him from people not enjoying their skating. Chan has been voted out, so does Plushy this round (maybe next)......But if there is not enough chan or plushy fan in FSU, it's their problem.

    "If Plushenko was 3 yrs old than Yagudin" is just the same as "if Yagudin didn't retire after 2002".

    Furthermore, the poll is not based on win or not. Kulik won more against Yagudin, but Kulik has been voted out. Plushenko won more against Lambiel, but he got more vote than Lambiel. Again, it's a game with NO rule. people can select what they want as they will. If you don't have enough colleague, then just leave or tolerate ;)
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  37. reflect

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    How about 2012 Russian National and Euro? Did he rob Arthur's Gold? (Just a question)
  38. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    Zhenya is NOT the weak link. :mad: Yagudin was soo overrated
    Plushy has the longevity, charcter, jumps and imo even better memorable moments :mad:

    Dai as much as I love him is not better than Pluschenko
    and this is WTF :eek: Lambiel should have been voted off a few rounds earlier
    he was not a dominant skater like the others left.
  39. casken

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    I wonder how many people would have voted Yags but, like me, figured no one else was going to and didn't want to throw a vote away. :lol:
  40. reflect

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    Sweetie, you can shout louder, to see if anything will change:rofl: