Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Ladies ROUND 8

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Who is the weakest link among these past champions?

Poll closed Jul 6, 2012.
  1. Lu Chen

    137 vote(s)
    39.1%
  2. Michelle Kwan

    21 vote(s)
    6.0%
  3. Irina Slutskaya

    43 vote(s)
    12.3%
  4. Mao Asada

    120 vote(s)
    34.3%
  5. Yuna Kim

    29 vote(s)
    8.3%
  1. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    I'm sad about last week's decision but the tribe has spoken :( and lovely Shiz bows out of the game...

    6TH PLACE: SHIZUKA ARAKAWA (39.06% of votes)

    The remaining contenders are:
    01. Lu Chen - CHN - 1995 World Champion.
    02. Michelle Kwan - USA - 1996,1998,2000,2001 and 2003 World Champion.
    03. Irina Slutskaya - RUS - 2002 and 2005 World Champion.
    04. Mao Asada - JPN - 2008 and 2010 World Champion.
    05. Yuna Kim - KOR - 2009 World and 2010 Olympic Champion.

    Already Eliminated:
    07th Place - Tara Lipinski (37.15% votes)
    08th Place - Carolina Kostner (41.39% votes)
    09th Place - Maria Butyrskaya (32.67% votes)
    10th Place - Miki Ando (24.90% votes)
    11th place - Sarah Hughes (53.06% votes)
    12th place - Kimmie Meissner (50.26% votes)

    Only the strongest remain. They all have made it to the gala of this game:lol: You decide who doesn't make the podium;)
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  2. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    At first I was going to vote for Chen, but thennI realised Mao hasn't had the stellar carreer everyone was predicting six years ago. And even her two world titles weren't that smashing (2008 was a splatfest where even she fell hard and 2010 lost the SP to newcomer Nagasu and the LP to an unmotivated Yuna).
  3. briancoogaert

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    Irina Slutskaya.
    I admire her qualities, but compared to the others, her skating lacks of lightness, grace, and she was not technically that superior.
  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Lu Chen. She has way overstayed her welcome.
  5. RumbleFish

    RumbleFish New Member

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    Mao Asada is one of the most overrated skaters ever.

    - Unlike any of the great lady skaters, she hasn't left a signature program.
    - Even her 2 world title was lackluster, failing to win neither sp nor fs both times.
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  6. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    I love Mao, but I had to vote for her.
  7. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    ^ This.
  8. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Lu Chen skated the performance of her life and STILL lost her World title as the reigning Champion. Imagine that ever happening to any of the others on this list, LOL! She was never even a contender for an Olympic Gold. She isnt even in the league of the others on this list.
  9. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    This is really hard.
    You know that with a stronger federation, she could have been consider as a contender. ;)
  10. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Shen & Zhou, Pang & Tong, Zhang & Zhang, Sui & Han, came from the same federation and still managed to get higher scores than they deserve on a regular basis, especialy the last 2 or 3 of those. The Chinese fed. being weak is a myth.
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    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    First of all, that's very debatable for Shen and Zhou as well as Pang and Tong. However, even if you say that the four of them have been overscored, that's only been in the IJS system. I doubt that you'd argue that in the era of the 6.0, they were all overscored. If anything, Shen and Zhao were underscored in 6.0 because of their nationality. The Chinese fed was quite weak until recently, and even then, it's only in pairs. Han Yan is not being overscored, and neither is Zijun Li or Kexin Zhang. Their dance teams aren't being overscored either.
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    Who wants to bet that it comes down to Kwan vs. Kim?

    I voted Lu, next Slutskaya, Asada, Kim, and Kwan is the winner.
  13. dawnie

    dawnie Active Member

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    Another vote for Mao. I did enjoy her circa 2005-2007 when she was more jovial, but I have not enjoyed her at all the last few years. I don't know if it's her obsession with the triple axel or her frustration with the under-rotation and edge calls, but she lost her spark a long time ago.

    Although Irina is my least favorite skater of the remaining ladies, I can't ignore her longevity and consistency.
  14. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised that Yuna got so many votes.
  15. dawnie

    dawnie Active Member

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    All the Maobots are coming out in droves :scream:
  16. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Under 6.0, I think they were way overscored at 2002 Olys, 2003 Worlds (SP) and 2004 Worlds. :shuffle:

    Chen was more underscored because she was THE breakthrough skater from China. The very idea of having a Chinese skater on the podium wasn't there before Chen. That in turn made it easier for S&Z, which made it easier for P&T, and pretty soon you have the Zhangs racking up massive scores... :shuffle:

    So yeah I'd say it's different. The Chinese federation is very powerful now, but it wasn't during Chen's time, and in fact I give her some credit for that country becoming a powerhouse.
  17. berthesghost

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    Yes, I can.

    Kwan just barely won 01 worlds despite skating wonderfully. Had Irina kept her shyte together for once, she'd be 01 champ. I'd also argue that Irina was winning 02 worlds no matter what. And then there is the matter of 04 worlds, most notably the questionable sp scores for Kwan.

    Irina's 03 lp was crap, and no way her Euros winning skates would beat Kwan's quiet confidence that year.

    Had Maria skated a clean 00 lp, she very well may have defended her title, and she's been gone from this poll for a while now, so....

    She may not have been as favored as Nancy and Oksana in 94, but she was int he mix should either implode, as both were want to do.
    So says you, with blatant disregard for her world and olympic medals which prove that for the entire time she skated, she was considered podium material just like everyone else on this list. The judges obviously disagreed with you.
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  18. RumbleFish

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    Flaws in your arguments stem from the fact that you always assume that judges' marks are correct and hence the competition results juestified.
    I just don't think this is always the case.
  19. SamuraiK

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    This actually confirms they are just bots and don't know how to vote strategicaly.:lol: If they were smart, they will leave the Yuna hate aside and would vote for Chen who's the likely candidate to get kicked out.
  20. judgejudy27

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    So even Maria was more of a threat to win 2 Worlds than Chen one and she was one of the first people gone. Exactly.

    Bonaly was also more favored than Chen in 94. She was 4th favorite at best, and not a potential gold medalist.

    On the contrary, the judges obviously agree with me. She is the only person on the list to not have atleast 2 World or Olympic titles, and the only one on the list to not win atleast Olympic silver. The judges did not even think she was the best the year she won Worlds, it was due to Bobek's implosion that her win was possible. The judges viewed her worthy of less medals and titles than several women already voted out in fact.
  21. shady82

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    I think it's Lu Chen's time. I've been voting for her since the round Lipinski was voted out. I love her skating, but I don't think her competitiveness and overall level (technically) can compare with the other skaters on this list.

    The other skater I would have considered is Mao Asada. Mao is a strong technical skater who can pull off triple-triples and triple axels, and delivers terrific spins and spirals. She's also fairly strong artistically. Artistically, her Chopin SP was better than any of Slutskaya's programs, for example. True, she never won Worlds convincingly with two completely clean programs. But she was usually a contender for the top, and was a solid 2nd place in Vancouver.
  22. smarts1

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    We all know you hate Lulu to death so just give it up. Please. :angryfire

    Geez, I never knew Lulu haters existed until you came along.

    Anyways, I voted for Irina. Lulu and her are close, in my opinion, but Irina was just not polished enough nor artistic enough to be on the same list as these skaters even if she did win 2 Worlds and has 2 Olympic medals.
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  23. galaxy

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    This is why I feel this is one of the most unpleasant polls.
    I hope both of you are just kidding saying them.
    I know this is off season, and some people say they are doing it just for fun, but is this really funny? Is this poll really worth doing ? Some people even judge skaters without actually seeing their skating live and can say whatever they want by just seeing the skaters only on screens. I think it is not fair.
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  24. dawnie

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    :huh:

    Why are you getting your panties all in a twist over a meaningless poll on a message board?
  25. FunnyBut

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    Yes, as the clunkiest skater left Irina must go. Well, actually she was the clunkiest once Hughes got offed.
  26. Vagabond

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    This poll is going to give us a precise count of how many of them there are who still visit FSU. :COP:
  27. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    I'm out of reps for you...

    Tho' I always thought of Sarah as more gawky than clunky..Fine line there..:p
  28. Triple Butz

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    Chen. I like her, and she has an impressive medal count but she's lucky to have made it this far IMO. Mao is next on the chopping block for me in round 9.

    I'm surprised to see so many Slutskaya votes. She's my least personal favorite of the few remaining, but she was WAY more competitive and accomplished more than Chen or Asada.
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    My response to that: we are all interpreting this poll in the way we want. If we were historians analyzing achievements, there would likely be reasonable consensus and this would be a much less complex, heated thread.

    I take this as more of a personal judgment poll, not a "the judges did that, so I'll repeat how they scored the skaters". There's more I could write as a continuation, but I likely won't.
  30. Macassar88

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    Have you seen all of these skaters live? If not, are you not voting?
    Most people cannot watch every skating competition live anyway.
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    It's certainly strong now, but would you argue it was as strong twenty years ago, when Lu really burst onto the scene?

    All these skaters have produced skates that I cherish and belong on my permanent rotation. Anyway, I'm stealing Zemgirl's idea and voting based on the most annoying ubers.
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    My order would have been

    Asada
    Chen
    Arakawa

    but since Divakawa was voted out too early I'm sticking with Asada until she's out.
  33. museksk8r

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    I voted Mao too; her recent string of inconsistent performances and outright meltdowns have sort of overshadowed her former glory, IMO. Placing 6th at 2012 Worlds, behind Ashley Wagner at 2012 4CC, 6th at 2011 Worlds, behind Miki Ando at 2011 4CC, failing to make the GPF in 2009 and 2010, and placing 4th at 2009 Worlds are all pretty disappointing outcomes for someone of her talent and reputation level. Her jump technique has always been problematic and suspect, particularly with the Lutz and Salchow jumps, and ever since the 2010 season even the famed 3Axel fails her on a regular basis. I so miss the great Mao of 2007; she seems so far removed from that skater now! :(

    Chen had technique problems on certain jumps too (especially in 1998) and her spins many times could use improvement, but at least her programs were never bad or forgettable like I find so many of Mao's to be (Mao's 2009-2012 programs with the exception of her '09 SP and '12 SP have been :yikes: for me). Plus, IMO, Chen is the better artist of the two.
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  34. Amy03

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    i don't know how knowledgeable you are, but what a great way to disregard everything that has happened to her and she has been through, cause if you researched just a bit of what had happened you would know, that she just lost her mother who has been a great support too Mao, and who has been sick for who knows how long, and reworked her technique from scratch, as well as changed her coach and lost alot of weight due too everuthing that has happened.... afterall she is not an robot who doesn't have any emotion or doesn't get affected by the enviroment she is in!

    and through these two seasons have been the most diificult for Mao, she was always a contender for every gold medal at every competition, since no one knew how long it would take to recorver from all this.. and as a reminder she still won or got silver at every competition she had entered beside worlds, and that beeing in her one of her worst season!
  35. shine

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    I'm not terribly knowledgeable and I still feel terribly bad for Mao (and for any other person who has had to go through the same thing), but I'm certain that losing her mother has nothing to do with her problematic jump technique which she has already developed from a young age. And the fact that she has had to spend so much time reworking her technique is precisely because of her problematic technique.
  36. berthesghost

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    Most people here are very knowledgeable and it gets frustrating when people keep repeating very common public knowledge like it's some kind of insider info most people don't know. :blah:

    And while I think it's great to be sympathetic to just how darn hard skating is... for ALL skaters... pretty much none of your list of excuses for Mao were terribly compelling. Yes, she lost her mom. Just as Joannie did when she had her all time career high and won an oly medal... and then there's Irina's and her own health issues and she's here on the list too. While it's admirable that she seeks to fix her terrible tech, she's not the only skater to do so, and the fact that she had to totally relearn from scratch kinda just shows how crappy her tech was to begin with: not exactly a stellar recommendation, but the fact that she at least tried could be why someone with such awful tech lasted on the poll longer than Hughes or Lipinski.

    Are we really gonna get into Chen's problems with her fed, Kwan ditching Frank and Kim ditching Orser etc.... in other words: all the excuses we can muster on why they didn't do as well as they could in certain events. In mean, who on this list hasn't had their share of problems. Mao is no robot, she's human just like everyone else on the poll.
  37. Amy03

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    through some other skaters also have tried to lose a mother they never had to go through half of what Mao did, cause losing her mother is only one of the Many things she has been through..

    and the one you call has terrible tech is the same one who has performed a dosin beautiful of 3A and several different 3-3 and had included all the kinds of jumps in the same program... it's the same Mao who has done 3A and several 3-3 in the same program... my god if she is a terrible tech who is a great tech lol, there is a reason why she was called a genius when she bursted into the scene... her suddenly deciding to rework her jumps is her choice, wheter it's right or wrong is not for you to decide, you should rather be proud to have skater of her calibre who has the will to continue improving, and have such an amazing working ethic, that in itself shows how much skating means for her and and how passionate she is about it, it's what's makes her soo special and what sets her apart from other skaters!
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  38. ainouta

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    I'm sorry, I think that's just rude. Every single one of the skaters on this list has overcome significant adversity at some point (like berthesghost said) and singling out Mao as the single most long-suffering saint of a skater is just disrespectful to everyone else.
  39. dawnie

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    Well this is 'figure skating survivor' not 'life skills survivor'. :shuffle: I still think of Mao back in 05-08, but ever since then she hasn't been the same skater. Growth, poor technique, maturity all caught up with her. And whose fault is it that she had to go rework her technique from scratch? I'd like to see Slutskaya go before Mao, because Mao's skating has actually touched me, but I perfectly see how she is the weakest link in this group.

    Mao did win Worlds miraculously in 10, but she has been disappointing for several years. Her current skating self and for the past several years does not come close to the aura she had in her earlier years. JMHO