Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by AragornElessar, Apr 18, 2013.
These are the things I've heard, too. Minor administrative infractions.
Just got a CBC News Alert to my iPod Touch....Police have removed 40 bodies from the Plant during the night/morning.
I live very close to West & as of now the official death toll is 14. I don't know where that Canadian news agency got their number. That doesn't seem like very responsible reporting - more like sensationalism. There could eventually be that many deaths but that number is not confirmed at this time.
Our contractor is a volunteer fireman in a nearby town & my husband talked to him this morning - he said one of his friends was killed in the blast. So I think the news we are getting here is more accurate.
They didn't. The news flash I got on my phone this morning from CBC said 12 were recovered. That's the number on the flash, on their web site, and being reported on their TV channel.
It could very well climb that high before all this is over.
About safety violations, I am sure there are public documents if someone wants to look up. Right now I am more concerned about the victims of the blast. I can't imagine the death toll being just 12, based on the pictures.
Very true but it is irresponsible to report 40 if only 14 are confirmed. I pray that 14 is the correct number.
I can't find anything from CBC saying that 40 bodies had been removed.
Didn't we have two lectures recently from the above poster saying 1) Canadian news reporting is less sensationalistic than that in the US, & 2) that SHE knows correct news reporting?
All I did was report what the News Flash/Alert I got said. That's it. That's all.
Could it be you meant missing? Because according to the Huffington Post; the official death toll is 14 but there is some 60 people missing.
Many people I know know West, Texas because of the Czech stop
My coworker, who is from Texas City, was talking about the Texas City explosion decades ago that the West city disaster reminded him of (of course, the one in Texas city was one of the worst ones in US history)
No, because I didn't bother to do anything else other than look at the alert. I've got a vicious head cold right now and combine that w/being up very late last night following what was going on in Boston, I basically looked at the iPod, then put it back down and I fell back asleep. When I checked it again a few hours later, it was still on the screen when I turned it back on and it was the exact same message as I posted this Morning.
As I said earlier, that's what I saw, the CBC is usually right about these things, so I didn't think twice about posting it.
From CNN, this morning:
14 bodies recovered after Texas blast
Sorry to be morbid...but these 14 recovered, were they the 14 already confirmed dead? And how many more are missing?
It would be nice if there were none. (sigh)
We travelled close to there when we were in TX in Feb. My heart goes out to the community of West.
The mayor is the person who was sharing the higher number of fatalities with the media, who reported what he said.
It is now believed that all the missing has been accounted for so the death toll hopefully will not climb any higher.
There are reports that the plant was storing 1,350-times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger oversight by the Department of Homeland Security, but failed to comply with reporting requirements. DHS didn't even know the plant existed until it exploded.
I know this probably should be in PI, but what outrages me is that this will probably be called a regulatory failure by Republicans, who will blame the Obama administration. Of course, it is Republicans who have been eliminating inspections and "job-killing" regulations in the first place, leaving it to businesses to self-report instead. I would rather have "job-killing" regulations than "people-killing" businesses. Oh, and for the people of West, who have had their lives destroyed, good luck getting recovery. The plant owners will almost certainly declare bankruptcy, while the insurance companies will cover up to policy limits, but also will try to argue that they should not be liable for what were criminal acts by the plant owners in stockpiling amounts of explosive fertilizer far in excess of legal limits.
The big irony will be that whatever isn't paid out by the fertilizer company or insurance will come from government coffers. It all comes back to tax payers one way or another.
Satellite pictures of before and after the explosion:
Picture on the left is prior to the explosion...The one on the right shows the devastation the explosion caused.
ETA: NBC Article regarding amount of Ammonium Nitrate stored at plant "that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS)."
'Red flag': Texas plant had 1,350 times amount of chemical that would trigger oversight
I feel bad for the people of West, Tx. Normally this would have received a lot of coverage in our news media. Due to the events in Boston, it's not getting much coverage, and possibly not getting a lot of help, other than the locals.
Actually I saw a news piece on CNN about the damage, the victims, and they are getting a lot of aid. But you are right about the news coverage not being nearly what I would have.
I hope that those missing have indeed been accounted for; and that the death toll doesn't rise, as they are able to investigate the areas nearest the source of the fire/explosion.
I call bullsh*t on DHS not knowing the plant existed. This is exactly why Dept of Homeland Security is a completely worthless entity. Why didn't they know? That company didn't sneak all that ammonium nitrate into the plant in the dead of night or buy it under the table. DHS should have known & should have been monitoring it. I do blame the company the most though - they should have trained the local fire dept on the proper procedures during a fire. That fire probably needed chemicals, not water.
Some sources are trying to blame the FBI for not stopping the Boston bombings but IMO that is what DHS should have done. When people in the US have ties to extremist terrorist groups the DHS should be watching them & stopping them. And BTW, I don't really give a sh*t about the "civil rights" of terrorists. If it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck, there's a really good chance it is a duck.
Touching story about people helping the town. Ten of the 14 dead were first responders.
The scary thing is they may never find the remains of some people that were killed. So if someone is missing, he/she is likely dead.
The news had earlier talked about a tanker of ammonium nitrate perhaps being what caused the explosion. They've now ruled that out. The tanker didn't cause the explosion:
About West, and its' people:
There is a memorial service today which will be attended by both the president and First Lady.
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