Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vash01, Jun 3, 2011.
Kristoffer Berntsson, Javier Fernandez (competitive programs), and Yannick Ponsero.
Alban Preaubert is also a bit creative with his programs, although not as much as some of the others listed.. I barely remember but I think Eric Millot of France kind of was too.
Gary's always my #1, but I'd add Lucinda Ruh to the list here, too. I remember wishing I could just watch her for hours - she was spellbinding!
Lets not forget the Protopopov's!
They created pairs skating into what it is today.
Moonlight Sonota 1985 Pro's:
Seemingly "simple" and (dare I say it) boring to today's "fit everything into the program for the most pooints" programs.
Davis and White's Bollywood was pretty creative.
I believe that Brasseur and Eisler performed this move many times in their amateur days. I seem to have a vague recollection of another Canadian pairs team also performing it in the early 90s, but I could have that wrong.
I think in some cases you are calling a skater creative when the credit really should go to the choreographer.
I honestly don't think any of the pairs listed in the first post were especially creative or innovative. The flexibility moves we saw in Moskvina's pairs were basically hers, not theirs. The Chinese pairs have brought nothing creative to the world of pairs. Doing an established move bigger or better is about technique and skill, not creativity.
I do think the guys mentioned so far should get much of the credit for their innovation and distinct styles. Robin Cousins and Ilia Kulik also became pretty creative in their pro careers, though their eligible programs were pretty classic.
^ What she said.
If we're talking "style" and "ability to pull off brillancy in choreo"* than all the above are worthy.
But, "Extraordinarily creative skaters" is a much smaller club, and, with notable interlopers like Markova and the P's, is mostly a boy's club ... to which I'd nominate Dan Hollander for pledgeship.
*Vash's post goes beyond her title ... broadening it to include these folks.
Browning was very creative as a pro, as were many skaters. As an eligible skater I did not feel he was that innovative, except may be in his Casablanca LP in 1993.
Ivan Dinev of Bulgaria is someone no one has mentioned. I've always thought he had some fairly creative programs.
Igor Paskevitch was also a very creative skater.
And I loved Sebastien Britten.
Torvill and Dean and also The Duchesnays
Dan Hollander was the Ryan Bradley of the 1990s. Except a million times more annoying.
I find Kerrs quite creative. And Khokhlova-Novitsky.
I have met both of them, there is no way Dan is more annoying than Ryan. For one thing, Dan appears to have no ego.
Stanick Jeanette is missed.
This is the most creative competition program I have ever seen
I loved Olga Markova and Ilia Klimkin too much LOL
Stephane is too obvious, people are trying to come up with more original choices
I would pay to see her in a show before many Olympic champions. She was born to perform.
I meant purely in terms of their skating programmes. I'm sure they are both lovely people. Or not as the case may be.
Dmitri Dmitrenko usually had very unique programs. He's gone into coaching and choreography but unfortunately hasn't produced any interesting work for other skaters, yet.
On the most interesting programs I've seen in skating. She's missed too!
The whole program is skated counter-clockwise. They're just skating around the rink and around the rink and around the rink.
There is a lot of flailing but no actual skating ability is showed.
I can totally understand why they were being dumped by the judges and no, not because they skated outside the box.
I remember seeing some of their programs that I liked in the past but this was just awful. But then, most of pre-COP skating seems to me.
Nothing interesting about her skating, other than her spins.
Ivan Dinev and Stannick Jeannette! I loved Stannick´s Le Petit Prince program 2003. IIRC, the choreography was by Gwendal Peizerat.:ap1
Dinev was : many times, he should have had at least one EM medal. He was sportive and creative same time, and a very nice guy. He also had some other assets
Creativity is subjective (though I do recognize that it is possible for there to be standards that most people may agree on) and can be defined beyond technical difficulty, transitions, and the COP, as difficult as that may be to grasp.
Sometimes the most simple things can be the most creative.
There is great wisdom in those words.
Exactly! Like Lucinda Ruh's spins
Yes. Are skaters (or their choreographers) being creative with the way they use their blades?
Or with the way they use the rest of their bodies above the blades?
Or with the kinds of images they choose to present in terms of music choice and costumes aside from the skating itself?
If you're looking for creativity in one or two of the above, if you do find it you might forgive the skater being pretty conservative in the other area(s). Or if you don't find it where you're looking, you might miss other areas where the skater is breaking new ground.
Of course, moves and style choices that were creative when the first skater performed them later become ho-hum years later after many followers have jumped on the bandwagon.
Although I've only ever seen it once, Ilia's routine that used the bowler hat amazed me at the time of seeing it. The use of blade work way before cop was introduced was incredible. Forgive me for not remembering it, but I'm sure others will fill in the blanks, and possibly post a link. For me, that was creative.
Dinev yes how did you remember him