Explosion near the finish line of Boston Marathon (threads merged)

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by ioana, Apr 15, 2013.

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  1. overedge

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    Those were really unnecessary comments. I can tell from the posts here that there are a number of posters who have a very good idea of how broadcast journalism works, and recognize the problems that happen with live coverage. And there is nothing wrong with criticizing mistakes in live coverage - the networks and their staff want to get it right as much as anyone else does, and if there is a rush to judgement without adequate facts, that should be pointed out.
  2. ballettmaus

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    Reporting something that wasn't confirmed by the authorities is not a mistake. And it's entirely avoidable through a) not reporting it until it's confirmed, b) double checking and c) how the news are phrased. A good example, I guess, is that one channel, I cannot remember which one, was reporting that there was a suspect in custody about an hour or so after the news was broken that the authorities were questioning a student in a hospital. I doubt that was a mistake made because it was live coverage since I heard it on only that one channel.

    One unfortunate development that I've noticed with the media these days is that they prefer to be sensational and the first to report something and having the best headline over responsible journalism and everything that goes with it. Not every news station/newspaper at the same amount of course but generally, that's the impression they're giving me personally.
  3. Sylvia

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    Everett, Washington article titled "Lake Stevens runner just feet from blast in Boston": http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20130415/NEWS01/704159868
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    Watching the late repeat of The Rachel Maddow Show...she's reciting the details of bombings in the US since 1993 (i.e. 1st World Trade Center attack)...just reminded me that I was living in Boston when I turned on the TV in 1995 and saw the report of the Oklahoma City bombing!

    Was shocked at the news in 1995...am just as shocked in 2013. :eek:
  5. kwanfan1818

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    Al Jazeera (English version) showed a press conference with I think the Chief of Police in Boston -- definitely a higher up in the PD -- who said that while they were talking to some people, they didn't have a suspect, and certainly not one in Brigham and Women's Hospital. He asked the media not to pass on the incorrect reports.

    They also interviewed a surgeon who went to the race as a spectator and who provided medical help at the scene. He said that it was like an IED in Afganistan. He saw one man whose legs were blown off and another whose foot was. He also described a parent holding a child, who was "expired."
  6. Bostonfan

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    Just found out from my dad that the 8 year old that died was his neighbor's son. And his neighbor's wife and daughter (same family) are undergoing surgery. :(
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  7. skatefan

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    (((Boston and all those affected))) Just awful news
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    ^ Oh, my. That's horrible. :eek: My thoughts & prayers are with Boston. May whomever did this despicable act be caught, and & may justice be done!
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  10. FGRSK8

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    The best answer I can give you is from my friend Steve who survived the North Tower of the WTC. He was upset that the media removed the more gruesome pictures of the 9/11 attack. Why? Because he said we always see pictures of the happy and good sides of life. People should also see the opposite when pure evil runs amuck and the consequences there of.
  11. Cyn

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    I was reading the most recent updates on boston.com, and found this post from a staffer from that site:

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    I have to say that I'm in agreement with your friend, FGRSK8.

    One of the biggest hypocrisies WRT to the public is that they often complain about reports from the media (which includes print and video journalism) not covering events in depth and with full disclosure, yet they turn right around and raise hell about witness accounts, video footage, and photographs being "too graphic" to be shown on-air/in print :wall: :rolleyes:.

    Many/Most journalists (especially photographers), including one that I know, would prefer to be able to air/print the scenes as they actually were, but their hands are tied WRT the "decency filters" that disallow that from happening. She spent almost three weeks doing photography from Ground Zero for one of the major news outlets, and I was told that what made it to print didn't come close to scratching the surface as to just how horrific the scene truly was. IIRC, the term she used for it was the "Disneyfication of 9/11." Needless to say, it was clearly meant in the pejorative sense.
  12. Zemgirl

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    It seems to me as though most of what's covered in the media is bad news, not good. The only times I can think of where a news cycle is dominated by good news are for things like presidential inaugurations, the new year, Olympic opening ceremonies and a few very specific stories (e.g. the Chilean miner rescue).

    In addition, it is possible to show pictures of tragic and horrific events without emphasizing the most gruesome aspects. Perhaps the most famous image from the Holocaust, for instance, is the boy with his hands in the air, a horrible and powerful image even though it is nowhere near as graphic as many others. The picture of the firefighter carrying out the dying baby in the Oklahoma City bombing is not a closeup, not did it need to be to have the impact that it did. IIRC, in the documentary that the Naudet brothers shot on 9/11, you don't see people jumping to their deaths, but you hear the sound of the impact; it's awful enough like that, because you realize what it is that you're hearing. Some things don't need to be shown in graphic detail, at least not without warning.
  13. PRlady

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    I could be way off but given the time of year and choice of event, I am betting the perpetrators were domestic, McVeigh types.
  14. snoopy

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    I am okay with not showing gruesome pics on tv because it is hard enough to get people to watch any news at all, and that would put enough people off from tuning in. But I think all of it should be made available on line.

    Eta - there was a lot of white washing of 9/11 - I spent a couple of hours going through some of the stuff that didn't make mainstream news on the anniversary.
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  15. snoopy

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    The event choice is odd but my spy theory is that perhaps they were going after a specific target.
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    Prayers with those who are injured and those who lost loved one.
  17. Cyn

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    More about the 8 year-old killed yesterday from CNN:

    Terror's Tiny Victim (title taken from CNN's Home Page)

    From the article:

    I have read from other reports that his other sister (not sure if she is older or younger) was unharmed in the attack.

    It is hard to fathom what his father and sister (and other family members) must be going through right now. Prayers to the Richard family (and to all of those who have been devastated by this act of terrorism) :fragile: :(.
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  18. clarie

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    A cowardly act for sure. I hope they get whoever is responsible.
  19. BlueRidge

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    I think people were plenty aware of how horrible 9/11 was without looking at graphic pictures. I think that people can understand a disaster without needing to see blood and gore. And contrary to there not being enough of that in the media, I think more than a few people descend to a perverse voyeurism and what has been termed "disaster pornography."
  20. BlueRidge

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    I'll put in a bid for al qaeda inspired terrorism. sorry, I really hope its not.
  21. Skittl1321

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    I'm still just so shocked and sad about this. What makes it even worse is the number of people who seem to be upset it happened but "oh, only 2 (now 3) people died". I think when people who aren't paying attention see 140+ wounded, they don't understand that a number of these people are very very wounded- lost limbs. It's absolutely horrific, but because the death toll is low, it seems some people around here have moved on.

    Since no one has 'claimed it' (al qaeda usually does), I think it was domestic. The Atlanta Olympic bombing was just a single guy too...
  22. skatefan

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    They are just reporting on the news that the little boy died moments after hugging his dad at the finishing line. Just breaks your heart.
    There are some truly wicked people on this planet. I hope they get the culprits very quickly.
  23. Jenny

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    Sadly yes - thus traffic jams as people slow their cars to get a good look at car wrecks. I'm with you - I know full well that there is a lot of horror in the world without having to actually see it with my own eyes.
  24. snoopy

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    I disagree obviously – one example for 9/11 related to the jumpers. There were many more than the mainstream news said – and there were lots of stories and theories about why people jumped, from being overcome by smoke inhalation, to being pushed out unintentionally by other people just trying to get fresh air. And then there were the family stories about how some couldn't handle that their loved one committed suicide - and the debate as to whether it was suicide. That IMO was a real and different angle to the 9/11 event that someone needed to investigate and document.
  25. BlueRidge

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    I see different things here. People rightly want to know what happened--even in the case of a road accident. And in the case of documenting the details of a horrific event such as 9/11. Yes, we, collectively, need to have that information so we know the full extent of what happened.

    However, I don't think the media needs to publish on the front page every horrific photo. There is a difference between documenting and voyeurism. Most people don't want to see a lot of pictures or video of a horrific event and don't need to in order to understand how awful it is. I think that when people feel the need to turn away, they are right to do so.
  26. PRlady

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    Certain things are gruesome and people need to have a choice whether to see them or not (this includes the photo of the person whose face was mauled by an animal recently.) Everyone processes and handles differently. As a child I saw some difficult photos in Life magazine and didn't sleep well for a month. I'm not saying the magazine had to design its issues for an eight-year-old but especially now with the Internet making so much available to young people, some care should be taken.
  27. BlueRidge

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    I was just skimming an article and it mentioned that there is already a kindle book of the "first pictures from the Boston Marathon bombing." That's too much as far as I'm concerned.
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  28. Rob

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    The photo I saw clearly showed the man's face so you could identify him and see the extent of his injury. That photo is in several places now, but they have blurred his face and put a warning on the larger gory version, and they have cropped the photo at his knee in a smaller version where you can still see his face, but not his leg.

    I don't think you can whitewash something like this or 9/11 by not showing photos of dismembered body parts all over the place. It is clear how horrific it was.
  29. Rob

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    Exactly.
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    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...ons-of-mangled-extremities-on-the-ground.html

    TERRORISM -- April 15, 2013 at 9:52 PM EDT
    Doctor on the Scene in Boston: 'Tons of Mangled Extremities on the Ground'
    BY: HARI SREENIVASAN

    EDIT:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/...alflow&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=buzzfeed

    Boston Marathon Tragedy Met With Unbelievable Acts Of Kindness

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9176985/boston-marathon-explosion?ex_cid=grantland33

    The Marathon
    The race and the aftermath and a dark day in Boston
    By Charles P. Pierce on April 16, 2013
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  31. BlueRidge

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    The NY Times reports that there are 17 people in critical condition this morning.

    I have a hard time getting why I would need details or graphic photos to understand how horrific this is.
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    Another angle on the full disclosure factor relates to making decisions (i.e. public support) to go to war. There were many arm chair soldiers in the lead up to Iraq who never saw a picture of a torn off limb, much less spent five minutes in a war zone. I don’t think this needs to be on the front page either, but there is a place for it in the public record.
  33. Jenny

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    I have to wonder about the effect on the victims too - they are already going through hell, and will soon learn that graphic images of the worst moment of their lives are all over the internet, and will be there forever. And what about their families? Imagine if that man in the wheelchair was your father or husband or brother.
  34. GarrAarghHrumph

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    The Globe is reporting that the other suspicious devices found yesterday were not explosives. Only two explosives have been confirmed - the two that actually went off on the Marathon route. The NY Times says the earlier reports of unexploded devices were from some suspicious packages that were found, but that turned out not to be explosives. The Globe says that 30 people were taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries. That a Saudi citizen is being spoken to by the police/FBI. That an apartment in Revere was searched related to the bombings.

    The NY Post (again, not necessarily trustworthy, but they do often run with stories before other news agencies do) reports that the Saudi man is currently living in Revere. That the apartment they searched is on a street where he used to live. That the man is still being detained in the hospital. None of this is verified, nor does it necessarily mean anything re: this guy.

    The NY Times says this about the man:
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    I believe that Baylee Almon's mother has said in the past that she would have preferred that the best known picture from the Oklahoma City bombing be of someone or something other than her daughter.

    A couple of years ago, we had a huge forest fire in Israel in which 44 people were killed. This is a photo essay about the fire that ran in the Boston Globe (I think) at the time - you can see all the pictures except for the really graphic ones, which come with a warning and require that you click on them in order to see the image. I've never looked, myself - there are some things I don't need to see. But I think that strikes the right balance between reporting things as they are and not exposing people to gruesome content without their choice.
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    The news media is looking for ratings, who can draw the highest viewership or readers. In my opinion this started with the inception of Nightline during the Iran hostage incident and intensified with 24 hour coverage from CNN, etc. To justify everyone's existence the newest "information" substantiated or not is released. And the public is at fault too - we want the latest or more sensational information. I think that you can find evidence of that in this thread. I believe that both are responsible for the need to report as soon as possible.

    I choose to watch NBC - and I thought that they tried to present a "we don't have this substantiated but this has been reported by ______" broadcast. In the first few minutes of the incident Brian Williams was interviewing one of the reporters from the NBC affiliate in Boston. She said that she saw a "young boy" being carried off by a person. She referred to the child in the past tense. As far as I know, they never played that interview again instead reporting that a young child was observed to be among the injured. When there was an unsubstantiated report of a potential perp being injured and questioned, I heard that they kept saying it was unsubstantiated.

    Perhaps because I have a preference for NBC news and because I try to not jump to conclusions without the official interviews from the authorities, I heard what I wanted to. Whether or not we want to recognize it, the media is giving us what the public wants - fast reporting.

    eta: one of the first photos I remember as a "face of tragedy" was the Kent shooting during the 60's or early 70's.
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    I made it into my office which is about 1 mile from where the explosions happened. Folks are walking around shell shocked. We are just gong through the motions right know. My telephone is usually ringing off the hook eerily I have not received one telephone call this morning.

    No one on my train was reading the newspapers. The carnage was to fresh. The Transit Stations are like armed camps. I take a commuter rail train into Boston's South Station. Military personnel with weapons were stationed at just about all of the exits. Random searches were taking place, bomb sniffing dogs at all of the boarding areas of the trains.
    I was a wreck by the time I got to my office.

    My life long friend Sheila was with her nephew, his wife and their 12 month baby waiting at the finish line waiting for their cousin who was running. They were 10 feet away from the explosion. She shouted to her family to run and she went right in and started helping people, she is a trained nurse. She ripped of her jacket and tied a tourniquet around a young girl's legs, what was left of them. I spoke with her briefly very late last night when she got home (she works at the Brigham and Women's and yesterday was her day off) she was in bad shape emotionally that she could not drive herself home, her husband drove up from Marshfield to pick her up. I told her that we loved her and thank God she and her family were not harmed, she thanked me and said "but others were not so lucky." Heartbreaking.

    Thanks to everyone for their support.
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  38. GarrAarghHrumph

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    The Globe reports that a US Airways flight at Logan has been stopped by the authorities. It may be completely unrelated, as people are, of course, on edge right now. It's a Philly to Boston flight. Reports are of an uninspected piece of baggage and and odd hissing sound reported on the plane.

    Part of Laguardia airport in NYC has been evacuated due to reports of a suspicious package. Again, probably not directly related.


    ETA: NBC has now backed up something reported in the NY Post - the police are looking for the vehicle the Post had mentioned. They also say the police are looking for a person in a hoodie who had brought multiple backpacks into the bombing area.
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  39. Skittl1321

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    My prayers are with you, kittyjake5, and Boston. I can't imagine going into work and trying to have a normal day after something like this happened.
  40. AYS

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    This is a key, key point for me. These images are becoming freely available instantly, and being bandied about all the heck over the internet. It has got to make things so much worse for many of those personally involved with this.
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