Explosion near the finish line of Boston Marathon (threads merged)

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  1. PDilemma

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    I feel like we should cut the father a little slack. The first reaction to horrifying news is often denial and finding out your sons were the perpetrators of such a crime has got to be shocking and terrifying.

    I know people whose close relatives have been indicted for (non-violent) federal crimes recently and they are in deep denial in spite of mountains of evidence that they should be able to see in hindsight. It is just difficult to think the worst of your loved ones.
  2. GarrAarghHrumph

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    Reporters are saying that the director of the CIA, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense have all just arrived at the White House, and that none of that was on the White House or President's public schedule. Of course, it may have nothing to do with Boston.
  3. Jenny

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    I wonder when the parents left the country - the younger brother is only 19, so if it's been a few years, it could be that they left him in the care of his older brother. Imagine the mixed emotions and confusion as they realize what's happened.

    But then again we know so little of this family - there's an uncle who says he doesn't see them, rumour of two sisters, at least the father (not sure of the mother) in another country. So did the brothers live on their own, or with other relatives, family associates or others? That might affect our understanding of the relationship between the brothers and other family members, and why the father is reacting as he is.
  4. Sparks

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    The family reportedly came to the US in 2003.
  5. Southpaw

    Southpaw Saint Smugpawski

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    I think Jenny meant when did they go back to Russia?
  6. Jenny

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    I wonder if part of that is about the larger issues - people are pretty freaked right now - especially in the Boston area where they are on lockdown, but the rest of us too - and media and everyone else are jumping on every little tidbit like it might be related. There's a lot of confusion out there as well.

    This is where Americans need some leadership - remember the criticism of Bush when it took so many hours for him to say anything on Sept 11 and the public didn't even know where he was - so the President might be conferring with key people on the best way to "calm the nation" and get things back to normal. Just as well it's a Friday, so a bit of a breather for everyone to spend time with loved ones and hopefully get back to life as normal on Monday morning.
  7. Jenny

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    Yes - and I'm fuzzy on whether they ever were in Russia before - I thought I read they had spent time in Turkey and one of the Stans before coming to the US as Chechyan refugees.
  8. GarrAarghHrumph

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    I was thinking that! It kind of makes them adjunct first responders.
  13. Jenny

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    Hopefully employees had the option to stay home if they chose.
  14. Skittl1321

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    Police "Everyone's on lockdown! Stay in your home. Oh, except you. We're gonna need donuts. You go to work." (Although it does sound like Dunkin asked to be open)
  15. UMBS Go Blue

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    "being LOSERS!!!"

    Chechen Uncle FTW! :cheer2: :rofl:
  16. snoopy

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    Okay, at this point it does seem like a couple of disaffected kids who happen to have a Chechen background – and they built working bombs and one of them has managed to avoid the entire Boston police department and ½ the FBI for at least 12 hours. It’s unfortunate they wasted their lives like this when they had abilities to build a positive life.
  17. Jenya

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    IIRC, the uncle said they were born in Dagestan - which is a republic of Russia. It sounds like the family lived in Kyrgyzstan before coming to the U.S.
  18. Vash01

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    This whole thing sounds like a Hollywood movie.

    Last night just before I went to the gym (I go very late) the story was unfolding on the MIT campus. At that time they were only reporting that a police officer was dead, without mentioning any connection with the Marathon bombing. The FBI had released the pictures of the "suspects" (meaning they were pretty confident these two were the criminals at the finish line). By the time I got on the treadmill, they were already reporting a connection between the two. When I got home, I turned on the TV to find out more. It was confirmed that the episode on the MIT campus was indeed connected with the two suspects.

    This morning I saw the names, nationalities of the two, and that one of them was killed in gunfire. The police/FBI want the other one alive to get more information. Apparently the parents went back to Russia after living in the USA for 10 years. The father could not believe that his sons would do something like this. They must have gotten on the wrong path at some point, without the parents knowing about it. The father even called them after he heard of the bombing at the Marathon, and they said they were not there.

    From what I heard in the media this morning, they are trying to find out if there was an internaitonal connection, whether there were others helping these two men, whether there is an Al Queda connection, and so on. The case is very much open, and I believe that's why President Obama is meeting with his security team.

    If they are lucky enough to catch the 19 year old alive, they could get more information. However, they don't sound optimistic about catching him alive because he has a lot of weapons including hand granades. I really hope they get him alive, otherwise we may never know the whole story.

    The other things I heard were that the 19 year old has lived in the USA (Boston area) since he was 6-7 years old. He was a pretty nice guy, and a good athlete (wrestler) so those who knew him were shocked. Just goes to show that terrorists come in all shapes, forms and colors.
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  20. GarrAarghHrumph

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    They say 10 minutes until the press conference (and I know they said that earlier.)

    They've brought in resources from all over the place. Nashua, NH bomb squad is the one checking the press conference area for explosives.
  21. equatorial

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    They would soon lock down the entire East Coast. And all because of a 19 yo. Incredible.
  22. genevieve

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    saw a tweet that the younger brother became a US citizen on 9/11/12
  23. Jenny

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    If that's Sept 11 and not Nov 9, that's a bit too incredible - who did the tweet?
  24. Southpaw

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    I stayed home today. I said ya know, I have a ton of vacation days to burn and I have NO idea how or where this is going to play out today and whether or not Hudson River crossings will shut down and I have nothing urgent on my desk and it's Friday. Yep. Staying home today. Glad I did, maybe it's all for nothing but as I said, I have plenty of days to burn.
  25. genevieve

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  26. snoopy

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    Re: the ATM – per a NBC report, they kept the owner of the Mercedes in the car with them for ½ hour while they went to 3 different ATMs to pull out money. Then they released the guy.

    Holy smoke. I would have thought I was a goner for sure.
  27. lurvylurker

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    Regarding the part I bolded: I hate to say this, but I think it is a possibility that this one is holed up somewhere and has either committed suicide or will do so shortly. It seems hard to believe that a 19 year old kid who is relatively inexperienced in evading the law and on foot in a contained area could avoid that massive a number of law officials for such a long time. I do hope they manage to catch him alive though, and with no more injuries or loss of life.

    And I agree with you snoopy: it's such a shame they squandered their wonderful chance to build positive lives. I can't help thinking the younger one especially was probably unduly influenced/dragged into this by his older brother.

    ETA: OMG, it looks like they are arresting him right now, just as I posted this!
    ETA: OK, they did put a young man into the back of a police car but it was not him. My apologies, I shouldn't have posted until I knew for sure.
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  28. Skittl1321

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    I know of a two people who gained their citizenship on 9/11 (two different years, since the attack). This date is often CHOSEN by the communities, as there is a remembrance ceremony and gaining of citizenship is a celebration of being an American. You don't really pick the day you get citizenship- the government does. I wouldn't read anything into it.
  29. Skittl1321

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    Hope this is true! Though it sucks we are going to spend millions on him in jail and during many trials. But hopefully they can find out some reason on why they did this and make an informed decision on whether they acted alone.
  30. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    really? I've got a "live" press conference that is very calm and not about an arrest at all
  31. Jenny

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    I guess that makes sense then, thanks for the info.
  32. Skittl1321

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    Yeah, live press conference says "we do not have any development about that search to tell you"
  33. lurvylurker

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    Yes, I just changed my original post to apologize for jumping to that conclusion. CNN showed them taking someone into custody, but obviously it was not the suspect. Again, I apologize - I was just so relieved that it might have been over.
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  34. genevieve

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    end of press conference: new developments coming together, hope to inform people through media in about an hour
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  36. Jenny

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    The way CNN sensationalizes everything, I can see where viewers might mistakenly jump to conclusions - they often run footage while talking about something else, and the headlines at the bottom of the page give one the impression there's breaking news when most of the time, they are just repeating the same thing over and over.

    Anyone watch celebrity Jeopardy? Anderson did OK, but Wolf was one of the worst players I've ever seen. He may have had his day years ago when he was a White House correspondent, but nowadays he's no more than a talking head.
  37. Skittl1321

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    Parapharsed conversation from the news I'm watching:
    Al Jeezera reporter "You can't possibly expect people to stay locked indoors for the whole weekend?"
    Guy being interviewed (didn't catch who it was, an American) "Well...(pauses for a second) we can certainly ask them. It's for their safety"
    Reporter: "But it is such a huge area"
    Guy: "It's a request, not an order. The suspect has proven to be extremely dangerous. Most of the public wants to cooperate with this.

    So it sounds like they might be in for a long road here... The reporter is incredulous at the idea of shelter in place for several days.
  38. rfisher

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    Neither do I. Kids this age can be technologically smart enough to build a bomb (it's not that difficult), but that doesn't mean they have the long term planning skills to explode the bomb and then get away. They'd have dropped the backpacks, walked away, made the call and kept walking. If they had a car, they'd have just left. No body would have done a profile of them. However, they didn't give consideration of all the cameras on the finish line. They didn't make an effort to disguise themselves. They didn't try to escape until their pictures were broadcast. If they were part of a bigger cell, it's pretty disorganized as well or they wouldn't have been left on their own with the possibility of capture and interrogation giving up the others. They could have disappeared into the homeless community. Every major city has one and it's the perfect spot to become faceless and nameless.
  39. Jenny

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    Oh dear me - they have an aunt living in Toronto (where I live):

  40. cruisin

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    I can understand his denial, it would be devastating to find out your children did such a thing. But threats? He certainly isn't making it easy to even consider his kids don't have violent tendencies.
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