Evan Officially Announces His Comeback

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  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much. If he actually does carry out his comeback at some point, I am not sure what his goals or motivation for it would be. It is hard to imagine even him being delusional enough to convince himself he can fight for gold vs the current field.
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    From Phil Hersh's article today: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...s-he-is-coming-back-20120810,0,4124661.column
  3. l'etoile

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    :cheer2::cheer2: Go, Evan! Go :kickass:!!!
  4. mgobluegirl

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    Sasha was not marked ridiculously up at 2010 nationals, so that gives me hope. I like our young guys and I want to see them continue to develop and be rewarded for what they do well. I'll also be excited to see Evan and Johnny again (if it happens, I'll believe it when I see it).

    Keep dreaming. He's never had good Axel technique, and I don't expect that to change now. His best thing is his consistency.
  5. Theatregirl1122

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    The team competition as part of the rationale for coming back does make sense. If ever can get back near his 2010 form, he'd be a heck of a lot better than what we saw at Worlds last year. Hopefully the US men's situation will improve to the point where we have a medal contendor, but it's not happened yet. So if the rest of the US men don't improve and Evan is able to regain his form, he probably can't really contend for an individual medal without a quad but he could definitely add points for the team over what we saw in 2012.
  6. olympic

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    From the Chicago Tribune article:

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    I hope this comes to fruition
  7. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

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    Please, God, if he doesn't, let the judges give the appropriate marks.
  8. caseyedwards

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    It's very doubtful. Under the old COP he was able to get a level 4 step sequence and now they are easier to get. They will focus on the level 4 step sequences and now that there is going to a halfway point bonus in the SP they will backload SP and LP and go for level 4 step sequences. Maybe 6 jumps after the halfway point in the LP and 2 in the SP. He was very strident in defending his quadlessness.
  9. mikeko

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    If the judge panel had in Vancouver, he wouldn't have won the gold. They turned a blind eye to his UR-ed 3A and lip while Takahashi's UR on 3F+3T and "e" on 3Lz (twice) were really questionable.
  10. SkateFan66

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    The video is private.
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  11. Jaana

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    Could not agree more!!! Welcome back, Evan...
  12. Vagabond

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    That's what's happened to them before. Neither one of them beat Abbott the last two times they were all at Nationals, and it will be a tough order for either (or both) of them to do it in 2013. With only two spots for U.S. Men at Worlds and tougher competition than there was back in 2010, the chances are that at least one, if not both of them, won't make the cut.
  13. olympic

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    But that was then. This is now.

    Kind of continuing my first post: I'm not as big of an Evan fan anymore (but I still don't get the strident dislike for the guy), and I do think there is a chance we will get a Quadless Evan again since he's going to be 28 yrs old and no longer a spring chicken, but he and FC would have to be pretty clueless not to grasp where Men's skating is in 2012 - 2013 as opposed to 2009 - 2010. They will probably strategize accordingly. It could be Evan's goal will be just a team comp slot @ Sochi ... or something like that.
  14. overedge

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    Is that a euphemism for something more intimate? :lol:
  15. overedge

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    News flash, but not every skater is in it just to win medals. Some actually enjoy training and competing, and just being able to participate in the sport.

    If Evan has decided he wants to go back into competition - and he of all people should know the amount of work it takes to win at the highest level - then good for him. I hope he enjoys what he does, whatever that leads to.
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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  17. kittyjake5

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    I like Evan and wish him well and his music choices are wonderful, but I will be rooting for my main man Dai up until Sochi.
  18. Ziggy

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    The judges should have been consistently marking him down on the GOE for the very apparent pre-rotation (much bigger than what is usually the case).

    With the technical panel, it's not as clear cut as they cannot watch the pre-rotation in slo-mo.
  19. caseyedwards

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    The man chosen for the team will also compete in the mens event.

    Frank Carroll was saying in 2010 that the Olympic judges would not give the gold to anyone who did not do a quad. They do not believe a quad is important or necessary to be successful and find ways to get the points. The whole goal of Vancouver was to win Olympic gold and nothing else and they did so without a quad just like they won the world title. There is no jump standard in skating there is just get the most points.

    Judges are now giving men 10's in PCS. Lori Nichol and her judges seminars may lead to Lysacek getting 10's.

    "I still believe the winning program will be a clean one." Lysacek says he watches Chan and says this? Obviously because he never made a major mistake with his all triple programs he thinks he can beat Chan.
  20. olympic

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    Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't know.

    From what you posted, FC said in 2010 that a Quad was important and no one would win without one?

    Anyway, if following the rules gets you the most points and it wins you the competition, then all power to that skater and his coach. It's not the skater's fault


    OK. If EL said this, it would be a little delusional ... Chan gets massive point totals w/ falls and stumbles
  21. kwanfan1818

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    Most of them are using the "Baccarole" music for a big part of the program. If he's focusing on the big aria, it should have a very different feel.

    Or Men. A qualifying country can have different competitors for the SP/SD and FS/FD in two of the four disciplines, but, unless they don't qualify anyone, in which case they can appoint another skater/team, everyone who skates in the Team event must also skate in the Individual event.

    I know they're trying to keep the numbers down, but I think it would be interesting to allow different skater/teams to do the Team Event. They could spread the wealth, and they could also assign a "specialist" to one of the events, like a strong short or long program skater.
  22. caseyedwards

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    Interesting!

    http://www.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120810&content_id=36450352&vkey=ice_news
  23. Theatregirl1122

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    And that may even be true. Scoring at the Olympics can sometimes be different than worlds because figure skating is on display to the world. They may be less likely to reward a difficult program with falls at the Olympics than they would be at worlds. I don't think that means that someone with no quad will win again. But a clean program from Dai with one quad may be more likely to beat a messy program from chan with two quads at the Olympics than it would be at worlds.
  24. tarotx

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    Also the men have to make the team first and doing code whoring clean programs has a good chance of making a world/olympic team over the falling on quad guys. Most of the guys don't have Chan's skating skills to go along with the quads. But you have to skate clean and code whore to death. Evan could succeed at that but he has landed quads in the past. Kind of any way. He just had injuries that prevented them and that along with strategy allowed him to be quad less but win 3/4 years ago.
  25. Zemgirl

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    Interestingly, injuries did not prevent quite a few other skaters from going for quads around that time. I really think that if a quad had been necessary to win, Lysacek and Carroll would have found a way to train and attempt it. But luckily for him, the rules at the time and the state of the rest of the men's field made it easier to win without a quad. Not so anymore - I hope, because with or without a quad, there are far better skaters than Lysacek.
  26. caseyedwards

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    At 2011 worlds Kozuka beat Chan on the tech score so there is that marker. Kozuka was cleaner with one quad in the FS and none in the SP. Before he was beaten by Takahashi at the WTT the last person to beat Chan was Verner doing an exact copy of Lysaceks free skate technical layout when Chan zayaked. I remember Lysacek bringing up Verner's win in a chat he had. He could still be thinking of that.

    I wouldn't say "quite a few" the jump was really vanishing and it was Joubert and Verner only really at 2009 worlds and in the 2009-2010 GP season Plushenko was added. Lambiel didn't do the GP season. No medalist at the GPF in 2009 did a quad. Lysacek, Oda and Weir. Takahashi didn't do a successful quad all season 2009-2010. Van Der Perren dropped the quad for the Olympic season so did Oda.
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  27. query5

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    welcome back, good luck
  28. Athena

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    Finally!!! I'm really excited about Evan's return. Love the music choices of both his SP and LP, I've heard wonderful feedback about the programs.

    His top notched dream team will help him to go back to the top form. He was there before, and he'll be there again, better than ever!

    Wish him the best of luck, he'll be a great value add to Team USA!
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    Looking forward to this! It'll be interesting to see how things shake up. I always liked Evan. Hope he'll branch out a bit with music like what he's got lined up.
  31. PinkFeathers

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    The Nationals fluff is gonna be academy award winning dramaz this time around.

    :argue::watch::drama:

    This season is gonna be insane.
  32. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Agreed.

    Nationals is gonna be an absolute bloodbath.
  33. PeterG

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    :cheer2: I love Evan Bates! So glad he has returned to skating. It's good to hear he found a new partner after Emily Samuelson.

    :p
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  34. Theatregirl1122

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    Poor Madison Chock. Is she so bad that you've repressed her existence?
  35. seabm7

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    If so, the music cut might be similar to Buttle's Torino LP.

    Lambiel's music style -> Evan's SP
    Buttle's music style -> Evan's LP

    Am I seeing a pattern here? Evan Lysacek, the new "artistic" skater! :lol:
  36. flipforsynchro

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    Buttle and Lambiel put me to sleep. Watching skaters with less good artistic skills is way more fun.
  37. oleada

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    Believe it when I see it.
  38. overedge

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    Well, if he's copying artistry, at least he's copying skaters that actually are artistic. Imagine if he was "borrowing" from someone like Kevin van der Perren :scream:
  39. Skater91

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    This cant end well
  40. love_skate2011

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    I wanted him to stay in Vera's closet :shuffle: