ESPN docum on Tonya-Nancy: 20 Years After on Thurs, Jan 16

Discussion in 'TV ALERTS' started by Frau Muller, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2005
    Messages:
    31,195
    nancy's being so nice. i can see tonya watching this and being even more outraged than if she had anything bad to say.
     
  2. mpal2

    mpal2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    9,279
    Nancy is really pushing for everyone to drop this story and move on. She's probably said it 10 times in 5 minutes with Bob.
     
  3. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    Nope--she lied blatantly to E.M. Swift the year before about not dating a Canadian banker. Then when he told her they had photos, her response, after a long pause, was: "You can't use them." :)
     
  4. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    Well, I think Jeff definitely used to beat her. But rape her? I don't think she was claiming that years ago.
     
  5. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    25,887
    I'm telling you, she alluded to it. She said she couldn't talk about the things "they" did to her but they "hurt" her and took her "womanhood". I remember her saying that. I think she was being manipulative.
     
  6. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2005
    Messages:
    31,195
    she said jeff and the two henchmen took turns raping her up on a mountain or something so she wouldnt tell. it's very clear in the oprah interview, when she had a book to sell.
     
  7. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    Exactly. But it seems that was Tonya's coping mechanism, her way of making it through life, her defense mechanism against all the abuse she had received from others. Self-destructing and then blaming others became a way of life for her, and no doubt felt more comfortable and familiar to her than the alternative. At least that way she probably felt in control. Her motto can be summed up in the famous quote from Milton's Paradise Lost: "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."

    It's all very sad. :( Is there any skater out there who had a more vile, abusive upbringing? I can't think of one.
     
  8. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    On that show, maybe Tonya's and Nancy's grandkids will be friends at least. ;)
     
  9. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    I haven't seen this yet, but maybe she's gotten some good coaching on what's appropriate to say and what isn't. Or else has just gotten smarter as she's gotten older. Glad to see her growing in this regard. And at least her plea to drop the whole story sounds sincere and believable, since she doesn't seem to enjoy talking about it.
     
  10. dardar1126

    dardar1126 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2013
    Messages:
    3,301
    True. Up to a point, I always felt sorry for Tonya. She had it so tough, and had so much to try to overcome and rise above.

    BUT...I think she did know about the plan to harm Nancy (maybe not the raw details, but the gist of it). She may or may not have been the mastermind, but I do think she knew ahead of time.

    She still seems in denial all these years later; continuing to change or tweek her story, rationalizing her decisions and behavior.

    She grew up being victimized, and I think that she's never learned not to see herself as a victim in life.
     
  11. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    Oh, I know what you're saying is accurate. I'm just saying that this seems to be only a recent allegation from her, not a genuine one that she aired years ago. Yes, I've heard her say the same thing.
     
  12. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    25,887
    Oh, I hear you.
    IIRC, it was the late 90s or the early 2000s when the special aired. The Oprah show where she actually says she was raped I did not see; this is the first I heard about that.
     
  13. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    She wasn't the mastermind. Even Jeff says that he talked her into it.

    Right. While I definitely think Tonya is responsible for her behavior as an adult, at the same time, it's important to realize anyone that who grew up in her home would be severely messed up. Picture Tonya growing up in Kristi's home. Would Tonya have been a brat? Probably not. She probably would have been polite and well-behaved. Now picture Kristi growing up in Tonya's home. Think she would've been Miss Congeniality? Probably not. She probably would have dropped out of school and ended up with an abusive boyfriend as well. :(

    Anyway, we can hate Tonya's character and some of her actions while still having some sympathy and/or pity for her as a human being.
     
  14. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    25,887
    I truly do feel sorry for her.
     
  15. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    Oh, she was claiming this even that far back? Didn't realize that.
     
  16. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    In many ways, I do too. I mean, it's not as if she really got away with anything and is living the life of fun and luxury. No, she's obviously living a miserable existence in a lot of ways, and is reaping what she has sown. So, in general, I see her as a figure to be pitied, not hated. I wouldn't even call her an inherently evil person either. She's just really messed up. It's a real shame that her coach resisted the idea of her being sent to foster care. :( Maybe she would've had a much better life that way.

    Nancy doesn't seem to be particularly bitter toward Tonya either, which I find very admirable. :respec:
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2014
  17. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    25,887
    Nancy seems like a very centered person. She sounds so content to be a wife and mother.
     
  18. neptune

    neptune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,995
    That's good to hear.

    Well, I know that she's said that she had always dreamed of being a mom. Kinda sad who she ended up being a mom with, though. :( I feel sorry for her in certain ways too. Of course, Nancy entered into the relationship willingly, but still...she could've done a lot better than that. I don't know if she just never got any good advice or did get some but refused it. I wonder if she ever has any regrets?
     
  19. BaileyCatts

    BaileyCatts Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2002
    Messages:
    5,953
    Mary missed another one (as did the ESPN one) when Tonya says "high up people in the association" told her to get back with Jeff ..... why didn't anyone say WHO!! TELL ME WHO!! WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES!! I don't believe for a minute anyone in USFS told her to get back with Jeff. If they did .... name names!
     
  20. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    9,410
    I thought the documentary was engrossing. I was planning to record it and watch it later in the week (still all about the men's hockey), but I once it started, I watched the entire thing. I have to say that my favourite scene was watching Nancy rehabilitating. I also forgot that she had her own sekret test skate! I also loved the scene where Nancy was working out with her mother. So heartwarming.

    I enjoy these NBC reports before the Closing Ceremonies. In SLC, they did one on Dorothy and Peggy. In Vancouver, they did a report on Americans staying in Newfoundland during 9/11. I don't recall what they did in Torino.
     
  21. BaileyCatts

    BaileyCatts Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2002
    Messages:
    5,953
    ^^^ Off topic (and since you like the stories), on NBC Saturday afternoon coverage they did a story on a Russian hockey team that was killed in a plane crash in 2011. If that's posted out in internet land, its so worth the 45 minutes to watch it. It was heart wrenching.


    Back to Tonya ... as in the ESPN one, Tonya's aggression about having to tell the story and 'I'm done with this, let it go, move on, I'm done with her' ... Tonya dear, no one forced you to do this interview, or ESPN, or Access Hollywood, or Entertainment Tonight, or Inside Edition, or any other of the dozens of shows I've seen you on over the last 20 years talking about it! Do the words "No Comment" exist in your vocabulary? It worked for Nancy for 20 years since this is the first time we have ever really heard a detailed interview from her, and I'm guessing she only agreed to do it since she was doing analyst work for NBC. It worked for Jeff for 20 years since the first time I ever saw an interview with him was that one that was circulating just a few months ago. I'm predicting we'll be hearing from Tonya again for the 25 year telling everyone to "move one, get over it, let it go" once again. And the 30, and the 35, and the 40 ...... and maybe even a few years inbetween.
     
  22. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    Messages:
    1,110
    That's the understatement of the day. :rolleyes:

    I thought Nancy made a classy impression, and she still looks good for 45. I never realized that her 'corny' remark was not about Disney, it was about wearing her Olympic medal around her neck. I agree with Nancy. Its tacky and pretentious when Olympians wear their medals after the award ceremony.
     
  23. heckles

    heckles Banned Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,120
    What she said specifically was, “Nobody wants to hear this crap anymore, and you know what, I don’t give a damn.” Obviously she does care, because she keeps appearing on these shows. Much of America cares too, because we keep watching.

    I keep hoping that time and parenthood will bring her some wisdom, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Ain't no fool like an old fool.
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2014
  24. Yazmeen

    Yazmeen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2003
    Messages:
    3,302
    For the record, Nancy was hired on as an analyst after she filmed the documentary. Mary Carillo convinced her that she would get a fair shake in this film, and she finally gave in and agreed to do it. And I'm glad she did, I think it showed people a very different side of her than the one they thought they knew (ie: whiny ice princess). And I'm especially glad Mary pointed out that she was every bit as blue collar as Tonya was; she just had the blessing of a stable, loving family. I thought it was very well done overall, and it was nice to finally hear Nancy tell her side of the story. It has always irritated me how some people treated her injury like a big joke because of the way she reacted to it.

    And good ol' Tonya, she certainly has her act down pat ("Which day was that?"). I nearly fell out of my chair laughing where she once again denied Shawn was her bodyguard as she did in the other documentary; however, Mary and team were clever enough to run the 1994 video of her with Shawn behind her as she said this. That 1994 clip was also seen earlier in the film and showed her clearly identifying Shawn as her bodyguard...
     
  25. AYS

    AYS Cruder than you thought

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2002
    Messages:
    20,097
    Nancy looks good, and happy.
     
  26. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2003
    Messages:
    1,757
    Yeah Nancy does look very happy. She looks pretty good for her age too.
     
  27. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    4,891
    if you say so. She seems to be a typical skating kid with a typical ott skate mom to me. Only, unlike Peggy, Dorothy, Tiffany, Elaine, Lucinda, Jenny etc etc etc she's unwilling and unable to say her mom had her best interests at heart but didn't handle it as well as she could, but that she still loved her. Tonya seems to be first in line to throw the "alcoholic waitress" under the bus for being unworthy to carry the skate guards of the greatest talent the world has ever seen. For someone who claimed to have no interest in playing the game, she sure does play right into usfs cheesy story lines of the immense talent rising out of her family gutter. Rudy Galindo IMHO does a much more honest version of I won't apologize for my poor roots. His parents couldn't even raise him, yet he always calls them supportive, and while admitting his mom suffered from mental illness, you don't see him dismissing her as a "crazy bitch" like Tanya is want to do. Tanya un-bever cleaver childhood is just another "it's everyone's else fault but mine" in along line of excuses IMO.
     
  28. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    26,597
    Thanks for the OT. Too bad I missed this.
     
  29. skatfan

    skatfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,889
    Peggy had a very difficult childhood as well, they were homeless for a summer, her father was an alcoholic. probably the worst thing for Tonya was the emotional and physical abuse.

    I am happy that each of them is married and have families. Nancy in particular is pretty impressive in her outlook, not once biting on the easy remark in the Costas interview, particularly around the "did she plan it?"

    And is her daughter too cute or what? Just adorable.
     
  30. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    25,887
    On Peggy's A&E biography, one of her friends recounted an incident at a restaurant where Peggy's mom slapped her face because she refused to eat a piece of steak or something like that. I might be wrong, but the reason for the slap was the fact that the skating was putting a drain on the family bank account and Peggy's mom didn't want her wasting food. That is how I interpreted it at the time.