Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Any reliable news links or other timely information on this young Russian dance team? I figure they deserve their own thread in GSD. :)
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  2. Jenna

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    :eek: :yikes: I thought this was going to be a split thread.
  3. OlieRow

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    I was scared it was going to be a "I/K to Shpilband" thread.
  4. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    I highly doubt S&Z will take on any Russian team that is good enough to to be on the Russian podium (thus, keeping Yana & Fedor from getting onto an international team).
  5. Eislauffan

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    Well, there were some rumours about them thinking to switch coaches or the Federation wanting them to switch coaches. I hope it doesn't happen, though. I really like Zhulin's work with them. If they are not on vacation and I can see them in Moscow, I will interview them. :)
  6. MarieM

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    I want them to stay where they are !!!!
  7. Loves_Shizuka

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    ^But it seems they are pretty much not going to. :( So to whom are they off to? Seems like Morozov is the likely candidate, according to some posters on here...
  8. Hanna

    Hanna Wheeeeeeeeeee

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    Ditto! I was almost afraid to open! :yikes:
  9. Eris

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    Doesn't Morozov have too many skaters in his group?
    I think it's better for IK to stay with coaches who can work with them full time.
  10. MarieM

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    Let's hope they stay just where they are right now.
    Zhulin is the only option viable for them. He has done, with all of his team, wonders for them.
  11. quiqie

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    So he doesn't say anything specific, but my point is, Verner has the same sources as the rest of us, but serves his hints in a manner that makes him look like someone who knows it all.
  12. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    Oh, please do!!

    And I agree about Zhulin. I love his work approach with them!!
  13. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    I love love love them!
    They made me appreciate "Don Quixote" and I've never been this excited about Ice Dance before.
    I am totally lost in uberness and even had a nightmare last Sunday that I/K split up :lol:
  14. Asli

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    Zhulin has worked wonders with I/K. At this age they have to improve their technique and with Zhulin they have the best possible coach IMO. :)

    Morozov has never improved the technique of any of his students. I fear that with him, I/K would stop progressing at this crucial age. Not to mention the ugly programs he started giving his students after a few brilliant years. Shiver.

    Plus Morozov hasn't worked with any ice dancers for five years. His forcus is on singles and he must be out of the loop with all the changes. Even coaches working with dancers all the time are having trouble keeping up.

    If I/K stay with Zhulin, they will be his main focus towards Sochi. I hope they stay and they end up with the same result as N/K. :cheer:
  15. Autumn_girl

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    Moka-Ananas, I'm with you! They are my favorite team since I first saw them on JGP and the only reason why I still watch ice dance. But my biggest nightmare is to see them with Shpilband/Zueva. Can't even imagine Elena and Nikita skating to something cute, sweet and... boooooring! I think Zhulin is a perfect coach for them, he makes them different, they try new images and new styles with their every program, that's something teams like the Shibs can never do.
    Thanks God all these coaching changes things seem to be just rumors
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  16. Japanfan

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    I'm probably in a minority but I prefer B&S. I&K are more promising and I did enjoy their Don Quixote, but I find B&S to be understated in a lovely way. Though their FD this season certainly left a lot to be desired.
  17. Moka-Ananas

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    B/S are everything I/K are not IMHO.
    While I appreciate their technical abilities, they totally lack emotion. That's why I call them "vibrators": technically good but zero emotion.

    I/K are sloppy sometimes and make mistakes but BOY do they ooze charisma :swoon:
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  18. Loves_Shizuka

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    ^Agreed. I like B/S too - alot. But they don't have the "it" factor I/K have in spades. However, B/S have that very classical look and style I really appreciate in dance and I hope they have a much better FD next year.
  19. equatorial

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    IMHO, that entry in Vaitsekhovskaya's blog mentioned in the parallel thread is really about Iliushechkina/Maisuradze and not about I/K. The entry says that these unnamed skaters "leave" their coach on a regular basis under their parents' pressure and then come back. I've never heard anything like that re Zhulin and I/K.
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    I, too, prefer Bobrova/Soloviev to I/K. B/S have a better match, line and skate so beautifully together. I have yet to see what "it" is about I/K. I also loathed their junior FD on a pretty profound level, so they have a big obstacle to overcome there as well.
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  22. Autumn_girl

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    Okay, I'll try to do it :)

    It was mentioned that I/K's results at Worlds weren't as good as expected, but specialists still think this couple has everything and not worse than the medalists.
    Lakernik:"I/K have soft, effortless gliding and fans and specialists like them a lot. But they are very young and probably the expectations were too high. Yes, there were some mistakes, but it's normal and they just have to go through it"

    Their coach, Zhulin, believes in his students. He thinks now they need to rest a little and then focus on their main goal, Sochi 2014.
    "I understand that moving to seniors is hard for them, requirements have increased, in juniors they could make small mistakes and it didn't affect the result, now they need to do more and to work much harder. We have a goal and now we should forget about everything and just go to it"
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  23. equatorial

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    This is like saying, "I prefer Anna Netrebko to Birgit Nilsson. Netrebko's voice is more powerful and she sings so beautifully. I have yet to see what "it" is about Nilsson. I also loathed her Salome on a pretty profound level, so she has a big obstacle to overcome there as well". You get my drift :rollin:
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  24. Proustable

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    Oh, I totally agree. I'm fully willing to shoulder the blame for this one (with some being apportioned to the ridiculous amount of internet hype they got). Doesn't change my opinion though.
  25. oleada

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    I agree 100%! Elena and Nikita are an incredible team, so emotional. I can't wait to see them develop. I think Zhulin is good for them - I hope they do not leave him.
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  26. equatorial

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    Where is that internet hype?:confused: Especially the ridiculous amount thereof?
  27. Proustable

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    You didn't hear it? Seriously? Everywhere I went, there were people calling them locks to win in Sochi just after winning World Juniors. Not just from fans either, from fearmongers as well. It was wierd.
  28. Asli

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    I think when they won the junior worlds last year, there was just one thread to celebrate their title and the thread ended after only about a hundred posts. Nothing to compare with the really hyped ice dancers for which fans have to continuously open new theads because they quickly exceed the thousand-post limit.

    As a matter of opinion, I/K are the most talented junior age team I have seen in my 25+ years of ice-dance fandom. :) Many people agree. You may say this is hype, you may say that an insanely talented team has been discovered. The fact is, even when they don't perform well in a competition, even when they are Russia's number 2 or number 3 team, they are the talk of everyone.

    I also like Bobrova/Soloviev and think they have potential if they can solve their posture problems and work with a different choreographer.
  29. blue_idealist

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    I didn't like them at the beginning of this season (I didn't see them in juniors), but it seemed like they skated better at Worlds than during the rest of the season, and their FD really grew on me. I wasn't crazy about their SD, but that's partly because of the horrible music it was skated to. I'm interested to see what they come up with next. My favourite Russian team is actually Riazanova/Tkachenko though.
  30. equatorial

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    Why would you call Schnittke horrible?
  31. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    I think this is the hype that Proustable is referring to ;)
    IMO they are very talented but not more so than V&M at that age. And the talk of everyone? Who's everyone? Not me :p But that's Proustable's point isn't it "they are the talk of everyone". That's the hype. It goes on and on, but there are some of us who are not sold yet. As for me, I prefer Shibs :) Yes, as oleada says I&K are so emotional. But messy at this stage. Shibs are not emotional. That doesn't matter so much to me. They have gorgeous posture, lines, precision, flow, lightness and joy :inavoid: They make me smile with their mad skills and pure dancing and lack of OTT angst :)
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  32. Asli

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    You and I are the only two people who like Schnittke here and there is nothing to do but to accept this fact. :p

    alilou, fortunately there are different ice dance teams for different tastes. :)

    As I said before, there aren't dozens of threads going on about I/K, just this one thread in the whole year. Unfortunately every time three posters in a row say something positive about I/K, another poster denigrates it as hype. I remember the endless swooning about many other ice dancers, or whole threads about obscure US singles and still those did not bother people as hype.

    It's good though. Shows I/K are threatening. :p
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  33. equatorial

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    I risk stirring some serious chit here, but I really don't see any mad skills there (and where is OTT angst in DQ?:confused: or anywhere else for that matter? ;)). The Shibs had one of the simplest FDs among the Top 10. Neatly done, yeah.
  34. Mayra

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    Well you're "talking" about them now. :shuffle:

    Having said that, I/K are no more/less hyped than V/M, S/P were when they first came out. It is just as :scream: OTT and yes, just as deserved. IMO

    Unfortunately they have a lot of expectations and as this season has proved, there is going to be a lot of :argue:, :cheer: and :fragile: regarding their programs, their training and their coach. I hope they hold strong and put their blinders on because I can see how all of the "talk" can go to their head.
  35. alilou

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    OTT angst wasn't necessarily referring to DQ, just snarking about posters who like the drama in dance, and seem to think that's the most important thing, or the only thing. Actually I like it too when it's well done and believable (eg Kerr's first Muse program), hate it when it's fake (eg everything Linichuck gave B&A - who tried so hard to do that style when it didn't suit them at all).

    And since Shibs got 5 level 4's and 2 level 3's I guess it wasn't that simple :p

    You got me :lol: Yes I am talking about them. I must admit I don't dislike them at all, and could very well grow to love them. Just can't see why there's so much love at this stage. Wish I could but they've done nothing yet to really grab me.
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  36. peibeck

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    Considering their respective ages, I think I/K and the Shibs both have amazing edge work and speed. The Shibs did have easier transitions in their FD, but for their required elements obviously they have the highest levels, so saying the dance was "easy" is a bit subjective.

    Aside from which, I hardly think the Shibs expected to be top 3 in their first Worlds, and would not have been had P/B not taken a tumble. I/K, as beautifully expressive as they are, simply made too many technical baubles in their free dance.

    While I think I/K should stay with Zhulin as a coach, I have to admit I would love to see Pasquale choreograph a program (or two) for them. His style is very story/character driven, which I think would suit them beautifully.
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    I agree, I would love to see that too.
  38. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    I agree that Tosca didn't suit them, but I thought Ave Maria suited them just fine and was reminiscent of B&A's earliest programs. I think too many fans just got used to the perk and forgot about programs like Alexandros.


    Anyway, I hope the rumors about I&K leaving Zhulin are just that. As for choreo, Camerlengo would be a good idea. I also wouldn't mind them trying out some Roca or Klimova choreo.
  39. alilou

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    That may be true, but I don't remember the perk particularly, or Alexandros. I remember Shadritza (which I think suited them perfectly) and Chopin :swoon:

    (Hated Ave Maria - not a fan of religious stuff, didn't find it believable, and the costumes were awful and got worse as the season went on).

    Sorry for OT.
  40. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    Come on. It is NOT possible to be a member of FSU for so long and actually believe that bolded part above.