Early music and choreographer suggestions for Olympic programs

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  1. SidelineSkater

    SidelineSkater New Member

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    Recycling is environmentally friendly! Perhaps the judges prefer twizzles and lifts and choreo that can be well executed as opposed to seeing the same old tiresome romance/love/passion theme.
  2. lauravvv

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    You want to say that Davis/White's FD was not a love theme? And that Virtue/Moir's FD twizzles, lifts and choreo were not well executed? They had some problems with the final choreo lift indeed, but that was changed by Worlds, and also the kicking move that Tessa had problems with in the beginning was perfected by the second half of the season. Other than that I didn't see any problems with execution, and apparently neither did the judges at the Worlds as their GOEs were either the second highest, equal to Davis/White, or in the case of the rotational lift - even the highest in the whole competition, and their Peformance/Execution mark was also equal to Davis/White's.
  3. rainbowkisses

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    :rofl:

    Since were on the topic of recycling, you wanna know what else is recyclable? cardboard! perhaps if other dance teams take the same direction as your current world champions and create programs that have the same appeal as cardboard maybe they would be more successful! :D
  4. SidelineSkater

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    Laura sweetie, do not put words in my mouth. I didn't say D/W wasn't a love theme, nor did I say VM weren't well executed by season's end. I was poking fun at rainbowkisses for trying to diss DW's elements. I'm not going to try to rationalize with irrational thinking. I'm disturbed at all the backhanded comments of VM ubers trying to make themselves feel better about the results of the season. Heaven forbid anyone critique your favorite's, but it's perfectly acceptable for others to try to break down Davis and White. VM have moved on, so should you all.

    Getting this thread back on track and out of the land of denial...

    Oly season suggestions...

    For Russian themed composers, Prokofiev's Suggestion Diabolique is pretty cool, the orchestral arrangement, not the piano solo.
    Shostakovich's Fire of Eternal Glory has a nice theme and build to a huge impact.

    Non Russian music...

    Bernstein's Make our Garden Grow from Candide
    Overture from Sweeney Todd (nice character piece for men)
    Something from Holst's Planets
    Music for Prague
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  5. SidelineSkater

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    Mmm hmm. More successful? Which team is on an upward trajectory? Which team has been passed both technically and artistically? (I'm talking in the minds of judges, not biased fans). Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad or cardboard.

    Kisses to you Rainbow. You're a gem. Keep on spouting vitriol, I'm sure it helps you sleep better at night.
  6. circuscandy

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    Could we not turn this into a D/W bashing thread? This is supposed to be about potential choreography and music. Good lord.
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  8. rainbowkisses

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    :rofl:

    who said we were bashing d/w? we were just talking about CoP ;)
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  9. iNap

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    I think the village idiot is lost from V-M tread. I am lucky I find it in this tread. It keep getting lost more and more :lol:
  10. rainbowkisses

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    be careful who you call a village idiot/fool ;). as shakespeare once said, its better to be a "witty fool than a foolish wit"
  11. iNap

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    look like it want to stay here for some time. good luck to everyone.
  12. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    Okay, seriously, take it back to your own threads, please. This stupid fight doesn't need to be everywhere. Or you can just PM each other until you're blue in the face.
  13. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    *sigh* Again with the gender boxes. Can we ditch the narrow-minded "effeminate" and "masculine" definitions? Jason's LP was very beautiful and graceful and lyrical.

    I'm not sure, but I think it was the soundtrack. He posted a couple of videos on his vk, I put them in the Russia thread in GSD, I'll have to go find them again.
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  14. FSfan107

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    Gracie Gold - 1812 Overture.
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    Here's a variety:

    "To Build a Home" by Cinematic Orchestra, featured SYTYCDC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbq3LdbNgbs#t=94s
    Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjc59FgUpg

    "Love Story Meets Viva La Vida" by Jon Schmidt, featuring Benji Schwimmer from SYTYCD fame
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILO3JTsATnI
    Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2wa1qEkC-8

    "What About Us" by ATB, from SYTYCDC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONcVJSpm1OU
    Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9hfuocvEI

    "Orquestra" - remix of some sort from ABDC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9hfuocvEI

    "Siamsa" by Ronan Hardiman (I think it's less performed)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daRmK5GjyAI

    ???? Probably a custom composition/arrangement but it's already 4 minutes long!!! (cinematic/sweeping)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1u45L9sSyM

    ???? For those wanting something oriental
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_lsFq8yeY0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eASsp7L7EZg

    Folk tune - Oriental
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdnIRsBreJE
    "Originals": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzuDo2vg0E, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KbK_NMb77M

    "In the Middle Somewhat Elevated" from William Forsythe's "Impressing the Czar", music by Thom Willems
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHCUpEEqPSU
  16. sk8ingcoach

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    Well it is obvious that Carolina will stay with Lori and make another masterpiece

    I hope Mao has 1 or 2 programs from lori as well. Her sp this year was fantastic.

    Ashley and Gracie need to immediately fire their choreographers. I can see both of them doing good programs from David Wilson or Camerlengo.

    Akiko should stay with Camerlengo and Krylova

    I think the russian ladies need to go to someone like David Wilson or Marina Zueva

    I hate Tom dickson's Choreography. I dont think anyone should use him
  17. Coco

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    I think it was Sylvia who posted elsewhere that Ashley is working with ShaeLynn Bourne on an exhibition program. No way she doesn't use David Mills for her FS this year, they probably have it half done, but I'm hoping her work with Bourne introduces energy to her quality of movement.

    It sounds crazy, but I would love to see Ashley use pieces of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5ruiXsOv4 with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9apYg0pskg for her SP.

    I could see Gracie using something by Aaron Copeland to good effect, but please god...new choreographer. I mean, I'm assuming the flaws with her current programs are the choreographer's fault. Maybe that's all she can handle, I dunno. And I'm stealing this from someone else, but Tchaikovsky's 1st Piano Concerto would be great for her, too.

    Would love to see the following:

    *Mao skate to Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2. I would die and go to heaven if her SP was to Fur Elise.

    *Yuna and Bach's Cello Suite no. 1 for her SP.

    *Anyone who can dance skate to songs from Depeche Mode's "Some Great Reward."

    And it's another old warhorse, but I would love to see a dance team use Aranjuez. I mean, you can just HEAR the twizzles, can't you?
  18. lauravvv

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    One again, I am not sweetie for you :rolleyes:. I don't know what is it with those people who think that they can speak like this to other people whom they don't know :rolleyes:. As for "irrational" thinking - probably I was a bit too suspicious, but certainly not irrational. It was not difficult to assume that you could be hinting at what I wrote considering that elsewhere I've read opinions like that expressed in a direct way. Also, I personally haven't made any backhanded comments about Davis/White, and I haven't tried to deny their win as I agree with it. I am not even a Virtue/Moir uber in the way that many others are - I am merely a moderate fan. But I am all for objectivity (and saying that V/M didn't execute their FD elements well, or that D/W didn't have a love theme in their FD would not be objective).

    I completely agree with the last sentence. Being "passed artistically" is debatable though. After all, judges are human too, and they too can be biased for one reason or another. Being surpassed technically is debatable too - if we look at the SD levels during the whole season we can see that overall the two teams have been pretty much equal. As for the FD, I think that "surpassed" is too big a word for a difference of 0.80 and 0.47 points in the technical and components score accordingly. Also, as for technique, it's difficult not to agree that Davis/White have recycled some of their elements a bit more than Virtue/Moir which has made it a bit easier for them - of course, it's also being smart, as some others say. To be clear, I am not saying that Tessa and Scott are better than Meryl and Charlie - just trying to be objective again. But I think we can end it here - or if you want to reply you can PM me as michiruwater suggested.
  19. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Oi, D/M and V/W fans, GTFO back to your own threads please.

    Sylvia, I found the videos - I'm not sure if it's the ballet or the movie music. Anyone able to work it out (from two 40-second clips, ah...)

    It's a post on tumblr that the videos are embedded into. It looks nice already!
  20. Marco

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    I think Wagner's Mills programs so far have worked - my bone to pick with her programs this season is that the timing was too tight.

    Take her short for instance. I get that they wanted to put 2 passes in the second half, but because of that, she had so little time left for the steps and the final spin that they were all rushed and unfinished. Most times she skated to the short this season, she barely finished her spin when the final chord struck and that's why she always missed a level.

    Her long as well - everything was timed wonderfully until the choreographic sequence - she had so little time left that she could barely hold her Charlotte and spread eagle . In the debut version at Japan Open, there was also a little forward spiral to follow but it had since disappeared. It would also have been a good spot for a falling leaf (like the one she did at the end of Black Swan) but again she didn't have time for that. The coverage of the whole sequence was very limited. [Contrast this to Asada's fantastic, full rink length (and a half rink length more) choreographic sequence that was timed perfectly to the music to end the program.] And again for Samson & Delilah, the final spin was very rushed and always missing a level. Her endings also looked rushed and unfinished.

    Mills really needs to work this out with her because this affects both the final impression she gives the judges as well as her spin levels.
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    I wonder if the spins take a lot out of her or something. They aren't so brilliant that she HAS to end with a spin. She should try ending with her ch sequence.
  22. lilshorty

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    I would really like for Mao Asada to skate to Revolutionary Etude by Chopin.
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    So she can do more marching? :p Cause everyone just seemed to love the marching in her FS this season :lol:
  24. pinky166

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    Fairly certain Gatchinski is skating to the soundtrack not the ballet. I can understand some Russian and it said so on Russian threads.

    Jason's FS was beautiful and lyrical, but he should still get a new one and not recycle - he skated the program perfectly at JW anyways, so once a skater accomplishes that, I feel there is not much to gain from keeping a program another season. Plus Brown is such an engaging showman that I felt Liebestraume was a bit of a waste of that...snoozefest in general, a very pretty and lyrical one, however, did not compare to his Last Airbender program IMO, which I thought was all sorts of voidy and cool :inavoid: . I wanna see Brown bring the voids back next season, it will make him stand out more in seniors I think.

    Honestly I just hope we see no one skate to: Turandot, Tosca, Carmen, the overused parts of Swan Lake/Black Swan, Spartacus, and Rhapsody in Blue. Please and thank you.

    As far as I'm concerned, the voider the better, I wanna see skaters try new stuff and be edgy!
  25. Jun Y

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    All I ever ask is for Daisuke Takahashi to go back to Miyamoto. The rest of the lot I don't care.
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  26. FSfan107

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    :rolleyes:

    I think the music would work well for her.
  27. DustPuppyOI

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    Just looking again at the ISU guidelines for 2013-2014:
    Online metronomes: http://www.metronomeonline.com/, http://a.bestmetronome.com/
    So lessee

    Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7z57qrZU8 clocks in at around 100 beats per minute (so it's only slightly off)

    TREASURE TROVE!!!!! (Music at 104 BPM)
    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~davet/music/bpm/104.html

    ETA: Can you believe Macarena is on the list?!?!?!?!
    ETA 2:
    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~davet/music/bpm/102.html
    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~davet/music/bpm/103.html
    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~davet/music/bpm/104.html
    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~davet/music/bpm/105.html
    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~davet/music/bpm/106.html
  28. Vagabond

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    Early music?

    I'd love to see someone skate the lights out to Emma Kirkby singing something by Hildegard of Bingen. ;)
  29. dinakt

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    :) Maybe.
    Something like Monteverdi's "Pur te Miro" is not at all impossible; even has the required rhythmic change. Would love to see a Dance team going into that rep. Singing starts at 1:30.
    http://youtu.be/J2gwS6pawdU
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  30. Kasey

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    Would love to see V/T get thee to Camerlengo....
  31. rainbowkisses

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    okay back to the subject
    am I the only one who is disappointed that no dance team danced the polka to 'in a persian market' this season?
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    I think Kostner would totally rock a program to the rites of spring. Despite the masterpieces she's had the past 3 seasons, this could become her signature program. Alternatively I'd love to see her do something with African-drumming beats and theme.

    Bolero for another season would work too :swoon:
  35. Moka-Ananas

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    I'd love for someone to use the soundtrack from "Tess" by Philippe Sarde. Tuktamysheva maybe?
    Nino Rota's soundtrack for "The Taming of the Shrew" could make a great and funny FP for a pair. D/R?
    The "Dangerous Liaisons" by George Fenton soundtrack could also make an awesome program for Pairs or Ice Dance.
    Another soundtrack nobody has ever used before is Amedeo Minghi's awesome work he did for "Fantaghirò aka The Cave of the Golden Rose". I think the whole soundtrack can be found on youtube. Minghi also did other soundtracks for other fairytale movies which are also pretty awesome.
    Some people also forget that pirate-themed programs do NOT have to be to the "Pirates of the Caribbean" soundtrack. In fact, there is a quite unknown mini-series called "Caraibi" or "Pirates: Blood Brothers". The series are not top-notch but the soundtrack is quite cool.
  36. parapluies

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    I LOVE Tess of the D'urbervilles! (although I prefer the 2008 BCC version to Roman Polaski's film). Maybe Tessa and Scott should dance to it? :lol::p
  37. Vagabond

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    I'd like to see Denis Ten (or, failing that, Jeremy Ten) skate to music from the soundtrack of that Bo Derek movie, "10." Failing that, selections from "Nine" or even "8½" would do. Not "Seven," though.

    ;)
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  38. parapluies

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    :lol: Why not seven?
  39. Vagabond

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    1. Too much of a markdown. :COP:
    2. Too creepy. :scream:
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    After listening to Schubert's serenade again, I think this music will be very good for Mao's SP.