Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by danceronice, Nov 27, 2012.
Apollo's reaction was pretty cool too!
Does anyone else think the producers tipped Derek off? He seemed mopey before the announcement, whereas Tony seemed apprehensive. Derek is usually more confident. And he also made a comment after getting the instant dance scores that the season was so great or whatever "no matter the placement" and that sounded so not like Derek IMO.
I must have one of the few who heard it correctly and went they have one too? Yipeeeeeee before he announced their names.
Still wishing I knew who did those jumps of joy with their backs to the camera ... and apparently "bleeped" out -- at least on the YT version.
As for Shawn smiling, it looked to me like she didn't smile til after the names were announced. Melissa OTOH, seemed to hear it as "two" instead of "too" cause she immediately looked over at the end of that sentence at Shawn & Derek and then it's announced as she and Tony as the winners and she seems happily shocked. I agree that Tony looked apprehensive, likely hoping against hope that maybe, this time, might be his time. Sheer joy on the faces of those two, and it was wonderful to see.
to Derek, too, for lifting up Melissa, too, after Tony was boosted up by Maks and Val.
That was Maks and Val, I think.
I don't know, she looked right at them when Tom said "one, too." If she thought she had one, she would have looked to Derek, I think.
Yes it was (if you don't no yet)confirmed by one of the 'entertainment' shows today. I loved it. Very happy for Melissa and especially Tony and I love both Maks and Val and I don't care who knows it. I'm convinced the lack of clothing and artifical romance is all pushed on them by the show anyhow. When you peel the crap away Val does seem like a nice guy and both Sherri Shepherd and Kelly speak in glowing terms about him. So I still love the brothers faults and all.
Both Maks and Val have reputations for being temperamental, and not necessarily in ways that benefited their competitive careers. (Maks is not known for keeping quiet when he doesn't like results and Val quit competing over the whole WDSF/WDF "freedom to dance" "we wanna be in the Olympics" mess. Seriously, all WDSF needs is a $peedy and they'll be the ISU Mark II at this rate...) And I'm sure they don't MIND being TV sex gods, so if there's pushing I doubt it's very hard. But I've seen Maks at least deal with fans in person and he's never been anything but a total sweetheart. I think they're probably really intense teachers and probably can be hard to get along with, but I can't imagine they're really "bad boys." (And needless to say I think Hope Solo's full of...something that's not Shineola.)
Only time I saw Maks in person was when our family was in Paris. We had gone to Versailles and Maks and Karina and their entourage were there. They were rather obnoxiously loud and pushy. However, that was when he and Karina were "engaged". So, maybe he's grown up. He does come across as a caring, but temperamental person.
If you go back to her US team days, seems she's got some issues going on. No way they bench someone that talented unless they're doing something that can damage the team. I'm inclined to take anything she says with a ton of NaCl.
Can you elaborate? What side did he take?
EXCLUSIVE: 'Dancing with the Stars' cutting back to one season a year
By SEAN DALY
Last Updated: 6:53 PM, December 6, 2012
Posted: 4:59 PM, December 6, 2012
Fine with me
As much as I love watching the show, I always thought it would be much better at once a year as well, so that's fine with me too. It will keep the cast more fresh not having to jam in a second season each year trying to find people somewhat relevant to be on the show.
Not in any coherent way, as if you think ISU politics is messy you should try the dance world, but WDSF started getting snippy about "its" dancers competing in certain events, there was this whole subplot involving Blackpool and their "biased" judging (ie most judges there are British, it being the U.K. Open and all) and dancers were told if they competed at certain events they'd get banned, there was an issue in the US with the NDCA sort of asking USADance to leave their umbrella group because USAD is associated with WDSF....Val afaik was with those dancers who, while I wouldn't say they precisely are on the side of the WDF, support the right of am dancers to compete wherever they like without risking bans from their home federations (like Italy and Russia threatening to punish couples who went to Blackpool.) This pretty much only affected the am/ams, as they were the only ones really likely to cross over (USAD/WDSF has little to nothing for pro-amers and the pros have more options.)
In any case, Am dancing is kind of screwy politically right now, though some of the issues have been sorted out, and it's a lot easier to be on the pro side right now. (Not to mention the odds of it making the Olympics any time soon are slightly worse than Synchro getting into the Winter Games.)
And full disclosure, as a pro-am student I compete in NDCA-sanctioned events so I'm probably on some level biased against WDSF.
One season a year without any other changes to the show won't help bring back viewers. Try getting a competent co-host. It's time for at least one judge to be changed and perhaps all three. It's obvious the producers are thinking about Paula Abdul. That's a train that's already wrecked. Look somewhere else. Maybe the ballroom expert could be one of the former dancers on the show. Tony would be awesome. Perhaps starting fall 2013. Tinker with the format a bit. Try getting new singers for the band. It can't be totally changed. People like the premise. Even the best cars need tune ups.
I like the judging idea. Start with any pro who's not assigned for the season. Each week, the pro eliminated in the prior week fills the 3rd seat.
They could do the same with co-hosts. Start with just Tom and add the prior eliminated celeb to sit up in the skybox. I'd go one more and keep the celeb who did the best job.
I'd like to see Bruno replaced. Everything out of his mouth is calculated to be some outrageous sound bite, but most of it doesn't work and is just obnoxious, even inappropriate. And he's trying way too hard to be a big, brass personality every single time the camera is on him. I'm not a big fan of Carry Ann either.
I can do without Brook Burke, but I don't think she ruins the show. Just reduce her airtime and increase Tom's.
I agree that Bruno tries too hard, but I don't think they should get rid of him. I think he's part of the draw of the show. Len should stay too. Carry Ann should go.
I love that idea! Just as long as Bruno stays. I love Bruno.
I think Carrie Ann is definitely the first to go. I kind of hope Len stays. Bruno can stay or go. I'm entertained by him.
Brooke doesn't ruin the show, but she adds nothing. It's a bit of a thankless job, but find someone who can at least give it a more humorous spin.
I disagree with the article where someone said viewers don't want to see people who can dance. They want to see people who can't dance. I disagree. It's just that this season was just all over the place with bizarre challenges, wildly inconsistent judging and weeks with no eliminations followed by weeks of double eliminations.
I can't stand Carrie Ann and if the producers are looking to replace judges she'd be the first one on my list to go. I know I asked the question somewhere else as to what her credentials were in regards to judging ballroom and basically she has none. She was a Fly Girl on In Living Color, went on tour with Madonna as one of her backup dancers, and a few other contemporary dance jobs, but never competed in ballroom and never judged it before DWTS. I know DWTS is a glorified popularity contest with some dancing thrown in, but still, if I'm wanting to learn actual ballroom from these pros, I want to get honest criticism from someone who's been in that world.
Bruno doesn't really bother me and while I think Len needs to eat more bran and loosen up, I wouldn't get rid of them unless the constant travel to and from London is exhausting them.
Len's really the only one with the first idea what he's looking at, so I would keep him. Carrie Ann can go--her constant tearing up is annoying, if nothing else. Bruno USED to limit his big bombastic statements as a response to something notable and now he does it every time.
I wouldn't want to see pros still actively employed by the show on a regular basis on the panel, but it would be nice to get a pro as a regular-too bad you couldn't use Corky or Shirley, but a couple seasons back didn't they have Donnie Burns on? Especially going down to one series a year they ought to be able to find someone who's a qualified pro with years of experience. (Heck, look into the Smooth and Rhythm communities and balance out Len with someone clear on the American Smooth concept.)
If DWTS were to "capitalize" on the "trainwreck" factor, they would lose me as a viewer!
You could if Derek and Mark aren't on the show. Derek is probably not returning at least not for the spring 2013 season, and Mark could really use to sit out a season and cool off.
What about Jean-Marc Genereux? He knows what to look for and he's hysterically funny. Probably too much competition for Bruno.
Genereaux at is most obnoxious is when he starts raving at the top of his lungs about how proud he is of CANADA. DWTS would take that out of the equation.
He'd be the most competition for Len, because Len would have to start giving professional assessments or turn into the Carrie Ann of the panel. I don't think LG's ego could handle it, and I suspect the show will want a female judge.
If they got rid of Carrie Ann, they'd need a female judge (hey, Toni Redpath follows the show pretty closely....) Of course the problem with her, Jean-Marc, anyone actively judging and teaching, is they'd have to move to LA for the duration if they're not already based there.
As long as they don't get Mary Murphy -- I haven't heard whether SYTYCD will be renewed so she might be looking for a new track for her hot tamale train.
BTW, Len Goodman got married a couple of weeks ago.
What a great article.
Len deserves his success.
It was a long time coming.