DWTS 3/29

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Garden Kitty, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. bardtoob

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    Evan did a great job!

    I have to admit, the strangest thing for me to see was the camera panning to Evan's guests at 3:30 into this clip and seeing Frank sitting next to Lipinski . . . even if all I have ever heard from Frank were compliments for Lipinski skating her heart out, it still seemed strange to see.

    Anna Trebunskaya & Evan Lysacek - Jive - Week 2
  2. bek

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    I didn't see the clip. But I will say in Tony's defense that he normally has a reputation for being a very mellow guy, and this may be the first time we've seen this kind of thing with one of his students. I think that in and of itself, suggest who the problem is.
  3. ncskatefan

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    yeah. i used to think samantha harris was dumb. how much worse is this?
  4. ncskatefan

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    by the way i have to watch online - any bare chests i needed to be watching for?
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  5. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    I really enjoy watching Niecy learn and perform. She seems like one heck of a gal.
    Now, Kate can disappear and I'll be very happy.
  6. soxxy

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    I predict Either Kate, Buzz or Aiden to be voted off tonight. I hope it's Kate but I dislike Aiden's dancing and personality, as well.
  7. Wyliefan

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    That would be awesome. :rofl:
  8. GarrAarghHrumph

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    Aiden comes across as more likeable than Kate does, and he improved, IMO, quite a bit since the first week. His first week, not only was his dancing bad, but he also came across as cocky. This week, he seems far more genuine. I hope he stays for another week or so - I feel like he could actually continue to grow the longer he stays here.

    I also thought that Buzz improved since last week, although I was disappointed that the judges didn't note that. I felt that a Foxtrot suited his partnership with young hottie a lot better than the Cha Cha Cha did. And at least Buzz seems genuinely interested in this show, and I feel like his being on could encourage other older folks to try dancing.

    Kate doesn't even seem particularly interested in being here, and while both she and Buzz have had difficulty learning the steps, at least Buzz was able to develop a method that worked for him, to help him remember - the flowchart, bless his engineering heart. Kate is just a hot mess.
  9. Yazmeen

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    Interesting MSNBC article, taking the POV that Nicole is hurting DWTS:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36092130/ns/entertainment-reality_tv/

    I see their point and that of many of you here - everyone else is busting their butt and she just appears to be floating along (admittedly, she doesn't need much training). This could bite her bigtime with a backlash.
  10. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    Well, she is interested in the paycheck. Unfortunately, she's clueless as to how to keep that paycheck.
  11. Buzz

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    I honestly do not mind Nicole but I do think they should not have given her those 10s. I cannot stand Kate. Hopefully she will be gone soon.
  12. nubka

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    Evan did a really good job - and I don't even like his skating, lol!

    I liked Pam, too... :)
  13. GarrAarghHrumph

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    I think Pam is fabulous. Who knew she could act? ;) She really does a nice job of taking on whatever role suits the dance.

    I don't like the Bachelor guy. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. I ended up fast-forwarding through his routine. Boring.

    Likewise, I fast forwarded through Nicole's routine. I know she can dance, but... to be honest, I find the others more interesting.
  14. purple skates

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    Having not watched the show before (or Idol, for that matter), I don't know how there is a backlash. How important is fan voting as compared to judges scores? Would the backlash occur if people refuse to vote for her? Also, is the scoring cumulative or does it go back to even week to week or after the elimination round?

    I agree with the article - it doesn't seem right to have a professional dancer on the show. I thought Evan should have had closer scores last night, but if there's no real competition for her after two shows then why bother to watch? I can catch Evan on You Tube.
  15. danceronice

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    I just couldn't get past Nicole whining about a song that's used routinely for competitive jive and swing. It's like they had to make up something for her to bitch about.

    Again--Tony's job as teacher is to change how he presents the information if the student doesn't get it. Kate's job as student is to express herself RESPECTFULLY. She's obviously not very good at that. But then her dancing was horrible. It absolutely should have been scored below Buzz's. She's...I think either Ladies A1 or A2 age for dancesport, Buzz is WAY into Gentleman's C, and she was doing worse than the average Newcomer while he was respectably pre-bronze. A whole heck of lot of that was in the smile and effort.

    And I agree with the point of the MSN article, but I think she's not accounting enough for name recognition, fan voting, and backlash.

    ETA: Sk8r1964, the scoring's not cumulative and I believe it's 50-50 judges/audience. The judges scores' could carry Nicole, but only so far. If the voting gets bad enough they would have to start drastically underscoring her nearest competition. That's assuming it's all honest, with no intentional overscoring and vote-count manipulation (how much do you trust ABC?)
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  16. Rob

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    Actually, my favorite of the night was Niecy. Maybe because she's a pleasant surprise where I expected Evan and Nicole to do well. But she is fun and gets totally into the character of the dance.

    Evan/Nicole both good, but Evan's feet did bug me and Nicole needed to loosen up her shoulders. Nicole not a 10 yet.

    I thought Erin looked totally awkward especially in the arms.

    Pam was fine, but her Marilyn Monroe act went on too long and made her look nuts.

    Shannen wasn't awful - overmarked and offtime, but she got it back together and got through.

    Jake - ok, he is overthinking it and his posture is not good.

    Aiden was better than last week, but meh.

    Chad was totally clunky and even made Cheryl look clunky.

    Buzz just looked like a granddad out there on the dance floor - nothing great, but not painful. Just kinda "awwww."

    Kate was the worst I think I have ever seen on this show -- I really think worse than Master P and Monica Seles. Totally painful. So much harder to watch than Buzz.


    And I agree with danceronice about the teacher presenting the material in different ways to find one that clicks with the student. Funny, but I didn't think that would be Tony's weakness -- I thought Maks was the just do what I said style of teacher.
  17. danceronice

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    I suspect Tony's never run into a student quite like Kate before....
  18. BittyBug

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    I was worried about Evan doing the jive, but he totally rocked it. And he looked at once ridiculous and totally smokin' in that pompadour. :smokin: I'm really impressed by how well he's doing, and I hope he keeps it going.

    I have to say, though, that there's something about Anna that totally bugs me. In a vague way, she reminds me of Oksana Baiul and her desperate, attention seeking ways. Just a tad too much drama in a "look at me" kind of way.

    And on a semi-related note, I had always wished that Evan would have done a free skate to an upbeat Broadway program, in part because physically he reminds me so much of Tommy Tune. This number sort of validated that wish for me.
  19. orbitz

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    Nicole doesn't project a warm and fuzzy personality for the home viewing audience. She won't win the audience vote, just like Mya didn't win last season. Not sure if Nicole will even make the final two.
  20. rfisher

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    Pam and Evan for the finals :cheer:

    Although, I think Evan won't last long. I don't think he'll get a lot of fan support unless every figure skating fan votes like crazy for him.
  21. luenatic

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    I'll support Niecy all the way to the bitter end.
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  22. uyeahu

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    I think Nicole comes across as very likable and not in any way difficult or diva'ish on the show. I even enjoy the sense of humor she displays in the rehearsal footage. It's more low-key than Niecy, whom I also love, but it shows her positive attitude which is something Kate and others are totally lacking. I don't know if it will carry her to the end but I hope she's around for a while. I like her. I think Evan should be scoring much closer to her though. He's doing really, really well and also displaying all the great attributes that got him an Olympic medal. Hard work, focus and a positive attitude.
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  23. Allskate

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    Whoever decided to have her on the show is probably congratulating themselves. I think she's definitely bringing in viewers -- even if those viewers are tuning in to see her be unpleasant and crash and burn on the dance floor. I doubt Tony has ever taught someone who had so little skill and experience in dance. He probably doesn't know how to teach her, and I don't blame him for being frustrated, though he probably does have to try different teaching approaches with her. And surely he knew how difficult she could be before he ageed to dance with her. It just takes one episode of her show to realize that.
  24. GarrAarghHrumph

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    Ah, now THAT makes sense. I wish that the judges on this show would use this type of age-based judging, because IMO, for an 84 year old man, Buzz is doing quite well, and he shouldn't be judged against people who are 50 years his junior.

    My dance teacher knows Tony, so I asked him about what happened last night. He said that Tony is a teacher that students tend to literally adore, and he's taught some "extremely difficult students". In the opinion of my dance teacher, if Tony walked out, something was extremely wrong.

    He has taught someone at Kate's level, and recently. At the studio where I take lessons, they have Tony come in quite often and do private lessons, and the dancers he teaches include beginning social dancers of all levels and abilities.
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  25. Karina1974

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    Maybe she gives those people very good reason to "quit on" her. And the most important thing is not that other people quit on her, but that she not quit on herself.
  26. Holley Calmes

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    Still think Evan has more interesting quality of movement than Nicole. Nicole seems so "prepackaged." She is really, really pretty though! I think they are both front runners.

    I think Pam is so much fun! She's not very good, but she definitely creates a character and makes a statement! I will pull for Niecy, but I would be a lot happier with her if she would tone it down. She just wears me out to the point where I want to like her but I just don';t have enough energy!

    Kate. is. the. worst. How can one poor woman emanate so much unlikeability?
  27. Latte

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    You beat me to it, Nicole was WAY overmarked.
    I hope this isn't going to happen all season. It's as if they have already picked her to win and are going to mark her that way no matter how she dances.
    Seriously, 10's for that dance? Give me a break!
  28. Allskate

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    There are other people as bad as Kate out there who are taking dance lessons? :lol: She's really bad. I still think that he needs to adapt his teaching approach if it's not working for her. Different people learn differently. But, really, I think most people would not want to teach Kate.
  29. GarrAarghHrumph

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    A significant number of people who come in for their first lessons are far more like Kate in danceability (if not in temperament) than they are like Evan. I think the average is around a Pam. ;)

    But it's the attitude that tends to be different. 99.9% of adults who walk into a ballroom dance studio for their first lessons want to be there, and it tends to show. They're happy, they laugh. Kate looks scared to death. I'd feel bad for her, if she came across as a more likeable person.

    And this is from me, who has never seen her show. I'm judging her only based on what I've seen from two episodes of DWTS, and from what I've seen, she's no fun.
  30. rfisher

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    The buzz at my stylists is that Kate's performance was painfully bad, Buzz is great for a man in his 80s, Pam Anderson is funny and they adore her, Evan has feet issues and should point his toes (they don't think he's all that good), Nicole is awesome but get that some people won't like her. Bachelor, Ochocinco, and soap star can go in any order. After Kate. Erin is good because everybody likes Maks and want him to stay around.
  31. danceronice

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    Tony is one of the few pros on the show who has actually competed in Pro-Am. He has probably taught LOTS of beginners!

    Oh, Allskate, there are people hired as teachers by franchises with less experience than Kate! Especially men. Remember in Dirty Dancing how Johnny says he was recruited by a guy from Arthur Murray? That's not fiction. Check your local craigslist and there's probably an ad with "no experience necessary." We call them "six-week wonders." (Not to say that FADS and AM don't have extremely talented and qualified people, but as they're franchise studios the quality varies wildly.)

    Kate is hardly the least-talented person to ever take lessons. Or even compete. The problem is she's about where the average person on the street SHOULD be after two weeks, while she's up against a lot more physically talented people, is being expected to do Open-level routines, and is doing it on national television.

    And they really can't use the pro-am age splits, because ordinarily, you wouldn't compete against each other. (And in fairness, the C division ecompasses age 50+!) You also would generally not have gentleman ams against ladies. This is more like a combined scholarship event with L and G against each other, Open footwork, and all ages! (Closed means sylabus--I dance "closed" bronze (okay, we cheat one step in Cha that's actually silver) meaning I'm not supposed to do any steps that aren't on the Bronze sylabus for a particular dance. Open means you can dance any steps you want so long as they dont' violate general rules about lifts. The stuff on DWTS is Open, and yes, Carrie Anne is being WAY more anal about the lifts than most invigilators at real competitions.)
  32. skatingfan5

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    I'm thinking that many of those adults would also "look scared to death" if they knew that they would in a few weeks be seen on TV by millions of people. :yikes: I actually did feel a bit sorry for Kate because it was clear that she couldn't communicate to Tony how/why what he was attempting to teach her wasn't getting through. It seemed like it was first a basic communication problem that was made worse by her interactional "style" and the way she reacted to Tony's reaction. That said, I really could not watch her dance, because the 10-15 seconds of it I saw were just too embarrassing, even for as unlikeable a personality as Kate seems.
  33. Rafter

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    I watched some of this last night and is it just me or does practically every single female "star" on this show have a boob job? :rolleyes:
  34. ArtisticFan

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    I would have felt sorry for Kate if she had not chosen the moment the cameras were around to ask him to change. The camera crews are not usually there all day or even every day during practice time. She could have chosen both a better way or a better time.

    I doubt it was manufactured by the producers, but she was certainly playing it up for the cameras. I don't think she is without talent or ability when it comes to dancing, but she is without passion or desire. There are those out there who are unteachable because of their general attitude. She seems to be falling in that category.

    I'm sure during practice she thinks she is doing well and is ready to compete. Then she sees what the others are doing. Remember she's had to do the same dances as the two front runners (Evan and Nicole). I'm sure that bashes her ego even more when she sees them perform before her. The problem is that I don't think she has the self awareness to realize that maybe she should follow Tony's direction more and try to conform to his style. Instead she's looking sour and acting like she's a victim in it all.
  35. ArtisticFan

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    I think it is to keep Pam's company.
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    Dial Idol seems to suggest that Evan is the one with the fewest votes -- I guess we'll see. If so, I'm surprised, because it really can't be based on his dancing. But they also seemed to indicate that Kate had the most votes, which is similarly hard to believe.
  37. rfisher

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    I can't believe Nicolle didn't have a wardrobe malfunction last night during that jive. :lol: I'm still laughing at Len's comments to Pam.
  38. my little pony

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    per Carrie Anne, they are taped in
  39. rfisher

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    It's hardly ever accurate since most people probably vote online. It's way faster.

    That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Evan go relatively early. His lack of audience personality is not helping him.
  40. Carolla5501

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    I missed it last night.... and sounds like I missed "Saint Kate" showing her true colors!