Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by shutterbug, Jul 18, 2010.
According to Pj: Taking Liberty
Hallelujah!!!!! Very pleased to hear this.
Thanks for the link! Wow, that is really exciting news!! Can't wait to see the changes that have been made!
Also, congrats to Annie Barabe on her soon to be new arrival!
I think this will be very positive for them. I look forward to seeing a refreshed Dube & Davison!
I just hope they enjoy skating. Really they seemed so "unhappy" to me last year. (Maybe it was just the long program theme, but...)
I'm looking forward to seeing what Dube and Davison can accomplish while working with Doug. Maybe I'm hopeful because Tuffy and Doug are one of my all time favourite Canadian teams.
Excellent. I'm glad to hear they're trying something new, as they badly needed some fresh input (and I say that as a huge D&D supporter).
Thank you for the link. I like PJ's information.
I am not being nasty but I'm not sure that it is absolutely necessary at this point in the season/cycle, in today's economy, and with available technology for Slipchuck to have to go "monitor" the high level competitors like Chan and Dube/Davison. Lots of $$$ that may be better used elsewhere or saved for when it's really needed. Just an opinion.
I understand what you're saying smileyskate, but on the other hand it's still early enough that problems can be addressed without having it negatively impact the season this early.
I disagree. You have two entries that are former world medalists. You should always preserve a good chunk of money developing, monitoring and helping those who have the best chance right now to win medals...just as much as you should invest in the pipeline.
If you're Slipchuk and you wait until the season starts to take a hard look at your top horses and you see things that could have improved their chances at a medal and you missed your opportunity to influence it...then...shame on you.
I'm good with it.
And Bravo to ANY skater or team that has what I call a distaste for the status quo. Onwards and upwards...always.
(Bryce, just pleeeeeeez don't drop the woman. This team just can't handle any more disasters)
So is Ladret their consultant, part-time coach, or just someone working with them while their real coach is on maternity leave?
Working with someone new is always good. Fresh eyes. But.......what's their music and who's their choreo. That is key too.
From the article:
Some where between consultant and part-time coach.
Barabe's pregnancy also partly explains why Shawn Sawyer is semi-coachless this year.
I wonder if Phaneuf is adding anyone new to her coaching team..
I do agree that monitoring is a good thing but it doesn't necessarily have to be done in person with all the technology available now. It would be far less expensive to video the progress and have it monitored via the internet. Isn't this partially how Chan is being coached by Nichol now? I seem to recall someone saying she was monitoring his progress daily via video while he trained in Colorado.
Couldn't they just retire instead?
Michael Slipchuk is Skate Canada's High Performance Director - it's his job to monitor Canada's top skaters. That includes traveling to where they are training to make sure they have support systems in place to achieve the best results.
I hope they can make a huge move back up the ranks this season, esp with all the pair retirements, if D & D don't get it right this year and get own momentum going in the right direction (up) then they may never get back up on the world podium again.
I firmly believe the year after an olympics is a turning point year. This is the time in the cycle that rewards those previous contenders who may have just fallen short the previous olympic year; esp if they step it up a notch, or they can capitolize on previous favs that stay gone, clearing the path for skaters just ranked behind medal retirees. This is the season for those who stuck around for one more kick at the can before calling it a career showing they are now worthy of a golden handshake as final farewell. The newbie skaters who show improvement, and previous cycle name skater's still contending who can also show PTB they are in it to win it in Sochi will definitely set the tone for who judges will support for medals over next 4 years and esp at next Oly games in Sochi... Sure there are always a few who think they can take a year or two off and then make a successful comeback but history has not always been on board with the strategy and with this cycle so rich with developing talent it may show skaters that if you snooze you lose your place at the table.
So I say come out strong early in the cycle and get people on board your train; whatever it takes, new moves, new coaching, choreo, whatever gives you the push, cuz once the locomtive stops it is very difficult to get it rolling again...
So yipee D & D this is the time to make all the right moves, to believe all over again and Ladret may just give them the needed spark.
I really wish that they would go to a good "jump" coach to gain consistency with the triple salchow and/or possibly another triple jump. Such a good team - such a shame that they have been so limited by the lack of consistency with those triple jumps.
A reliable source says Doug is not going to be their full time coach - he will just be giving them extra coaching.
Regardless of whether he's a consultant, part time coach or whatever, Doug is a fresh pair of eyes and that's nothing but good for Jess and Bryce. That's needed to happen for awhile now and I like who's been brought in.
As for their programs...They're keeping last year's LP aren't they? Thought I'd read that somewhere. Could have even been here.
ITA w/whomever said it up thread....They looked so miserable last season. I really hope I see that happy in love w/skating D/D back out there this year.
And Doug is a "real" pair coach with much personal experience at the World level as a former competitor. And interesting that quite a few of Kerry Leitch's former fellas (Doug Laudret, Lyndon Johnson, Kevin Wheeler) are in such demand as pair specialists to today's crop of teams, both Canadian and American! Well done!
I agree 100%
Good grief ! I hope they're not keeping last year's LP. It was a crime of the first order to have that very pretty girl looking so drab ! And Bryce's "street clothes" look was even worse, with the gaping pockets, the sweater that rode up, and all generally so rumpled, you'd think he'd been sleeping in them all season.....And the whole concept..hit tear-jerker melodrama movie, true love come to a sad end , grey costumes..you can't convince me they weren't trying to find their own "Love Story" - a la S/P.
No, no, no! They need some life and colour..to keep "The Way We Were ", at this stage , would only serve to remind everyone (judges included ) of the way they were last season.
I'm loving seeing the success of the graduates of the Kerry Leitch school. Doug may not only be able to help with lifts and general technique, but he's also something of a wizard with music...perhaps he'll help in that dept. as well.
Earlier , I had a vain hope ( and I knew it was probably vain) that they would go to Richard Gauthier for his superb all-round polishing..but I like this change more and more..I hope they'll take full advantage of Doug's expertise.
no. I love watching them .. there is something about them..
An irritating air of nonchalance?
Not at all! THey have an air of elegance, ease and softness about them. They seem to float over the ice.
I think they have it in them to improve and make it onto the podium again. They showed a will last year with the tripple twist, which improved a lot during the season.
Sounds like a step in the right direction.
Well you can be elegant and exciting. Jessica seriously needs to develop more than one facial expression and stop looking (and skating) as if she's about to faint.
ITA with this!!! I can't imagine why they would keep that program and those costumes are / were a complete disaster (IMHO, of course ) Jessica is absolutely gorgeous with an amazing body ... they need to show off a bit. Do something with spunk and zip .... Hmmm I said that in the CZ thread it must be a theme! I would love to see Jessica with a cute bob hair cut and a bright coloured costume, skating to some really flirty music and putting on a show. This pair has great basics now they need to perform to the top row and give the audiences a real show. Make the judges sit up and take notice. Their programs this year should scream "Look at us, we've changed and we're better than ever!!"
Gods, I hope they change their mind on keeping last season's LP. It's the blandest, dullest program EVER! If they want to make a fresh start they need to go all the way.
Have they actually announced their programs, or is keeping TWWW just an assumption ?
I thought they said they were keeping it? If they really want to start fresh they need new programs so hopefully they'll change their minds.
Don't they always keep their LP for two years?
Well, they ditched Carmen after only one year when it was apparent it wasn't working. I hope they make the same decision with TWWW.
Well I think that they really connect to that program and their performance of it at Nationals made them believe that this is the right program for them. I mean, at Nationals, people in the audience were crying - it did have the ability to move people. Also it is very similar to The Blowers Daughter program which won them a world medal.
The problem is that TWWW needs to be perfect, otherwise it falls flat. And J&B can't seem to skate consistently anymore.
Also they always seem to skate well at nationals, but not so well elsewhere. Which is so frustrating. The only time they skated their Carmen program clean was at nationals and you could finally really get some feeling of intensity from it. I wish they'd kept that program for 2 yrs. I know many people didn't think it worked for them, themselves included, but I don't think it was the program so much as their inconsistency, and that they didn't stick with it long enough to grow into it. Some could argue (perhaps with validity) that Jess in particular would never grow into it, but their performance at nationals showed that they could. And for me it was a way better program than the sappy TWWW, even if it was tired old Carmen. (Though I do have to say that TWWW costumes did nothing to convince me. Even though they were appropriate for the period of the movie did they have to be quite so drab and unflattering? Please God let them get new ones this season.
Agree. I really liked their Carmen. This is their only program that I liked. I wish they kept it for the Olys year. It was way more mature than the Blower's Daughter and the TWWW. There was some personality in it. They just needed more time to get into that material.
Gee , I might have been in denial...I don't have time to totally scour threads from one end to the other , but the list that Doris has been compiling at GS only shows an SP for D/D ..( Mask of Zorro )..and now I do seem to remember that it was mentioned at the end of last season ( in some interview or other ) that they intended to keep TWWW and rework it a bit. ( sigh ).My brain may have just blotted it out...
I think it's a big mistake , but if they must keep it , they really ought to change those dowdy costumes..and I continue to hope they'll have a complete change of heart.
I know people responded very emotionally to the program at Nationals, but it will still carry all last season's international baggage forward with it into the new season. While I was initially very fond of The Blower's Daughter, I thought they clung to it too long , what with using a version for exhibition , etc. So any similarities between the two programs ( in pace, tone ,or whatever ) may not work in their favour , but encourage a one-trick-pony attitude in the audience..
edit : just noticed the above couple of posts, and ITA. They pulled the plug way too soon on Carmen...
I agree. They definitely need a re-evaluation and examination of the difficulties they had last year if they are going to move forward.
When they were training in Arizona for a week, they had a SP to "The Mask of Zorro" and they also continued training last year's FS to "The Way Things Were"
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