Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Matryeshka, Jan 23, 2011.
last week he told her he had been married
I'm loving it. At the end of the last episode, at the garden party when Mr. Carson puts his arms gently around the sobbing Mary, I too burst into tears. I want a butler!
There are only about 20 minutes total from the whole of the series. I think that part of the jump problems - and didn't you notice the jump when they returned from the London season - is because the series was shown in 1 hour (actually 45 minute) segments in the UK. So what seems like something missing, is the end of one ep and the beginning of the next.
20 minutes is a lot to cut and there is no logical reason for it IMHO. From what I understand and have seen myself on watching some shows in the UK when I return on vacation and then seeing the same show on PBS in the US - the US edits UK shows for no reason - and as it is on PBS there is no need to edit anything at all!!
Mary should have just let Edith marry the older man just to get rid of her and "win" for once. I understand she was pissed, and rightfully so, but wouldn't it be better to get her out of the way in the long run? Plus, he didn't deserve that. It seemed excessively cruel to him. I understand Mary wasn't thinking of it like that, but I felt so bad for him.
I understand that O'Brien is probably going to have the redemptive arc, but there's not redemption for how nasty she's been, even before the bathtub incident. I love this series, even though it ended on a downer. It's like a soap opera for people with intellectual pretentions.
she did that old dude a favor, Edith would get on his nerves eventually
Did anyone else recognize the "old dude" as a character in the A&E Hornblower series' first episode? It's been several years, but I believe his character was Lieutenant Eccleston and he died near the end of the episode.
He was also Mr. Weston in the Paltrow/Northam Emma. Robert Bathurst is a respected character actor who's been around a long time.
He was driving me nuts as yet another "Hey it's that guy!" British actor. (And yes, while I understand Mary's feelings, at least it would have gotten rid of Edith!)
Anyone else hoping that conniving jackass Thomas gets sent to a "field hospital" about ten yards from the front lines? I mean, bad enough, but finally pulling that attack on the footman's DEAD MOTHER? Moral event horizon right there, he's a sociopathic jerk and I'm hoping he gets an up close and personal look at war someplace like the Argonne.
O'Brien, well, that was mostly a 'poor communication kills' situation. She's a crabby old bat, but I feel for her, as she's way past the point she has many/any other options if she's fired. Doesn't excuse her being a beyotch to the other help, but I can kind of understand (and unlike that ********** Thomas she felt immediate remorse even BEFORE her impulsive act did something awful.)
My biggest AAAAGHHH CAN'T WAIT TIL NEXT SEASON is Bates and Anna. (Why yes, I wanted to throw a brick through the screen watching "Howard's End", why do you ask?)
Thomas is awful, but I think O'Brien is worse, remorse or no remorse. She destroyed the child and she could have killed Cora, too.
Mmmmmm......Jeremy Northam.......mmmm...... I'll be in my bunk.
I was too consumed with skating to watch on Sunday so I just caught up. Only four episodes? That's it? We wuzrobbed!
I, too, am finding the timeline a bit too fragmented, but The Dowager Countess Maggie Smith was certainly at her finest last night! "In times like these, one can usually find an Italian who is not too picky." Or something like that.
In a previous episode when she declared her love to Bates, and Bates didn't reciprocate even tho they both knew he wanted to, she asked if he was married. His reply was "I'm not now, but I was" or words to that effect. But now it sounds as though the marriage might not be quite as past tense (at least in a legal sense).
For Mary, I do feel for her and understand why she was reluctant to jump in to marriage with Matthew right away: all her life she's had people telling her what she should do out of duty. Her Aunt piping in with another voice was just adding more confusion. And she knew she had to tell Matthew about Pamuk before accepting his proposal, and at the same time she was afraid to tell Matthew and risk damaging his good opinion of her, regardless of the marriage. Plus she thought she had more time, until her mother miscarried. All good stuff.
The Dowager's line about taking Mary over to The Continent as there's always "some Italian who isn't that picky" --
Loved, loved, loved this show, can hardly wait for season 2. (And my library has the DVDs of season 1 on order so I'm going to watch it all over again -- with no cuts!)
I wonder, though, if they tweaked the ending of season 1 during (or after) production because they already knew there would be a season 2. ITV announced a second season shortly after the first episode aired, but I would assume that the whole season was already in the can at that point. But I get the sense it would have had more of an "ending" if they hadn't known for sure there'd be more to come. But maybe they were just really confident there would be.
I normally cannot abide these British series where, by my take, everyone speaks in hushed tones about nonsensical 300 year old social mores. But the compelling actors in this one have caught my attention. Not as much fun as the Tudors but still a good substitute. And ITA with mlp about the younger sister’s attractiveness versus Mary’s – but nevertheless, the actress playing Mary has “it”. My eyes are drawn to her on the screen. That she doesn’t come across like a sissy twit makes her worth watching.
Being of Italian descent, I wasn't sure whether to feel insulted or honored.
Maggie Smith is absolutely one of the finest actresses that the UK has ever produced - I have loved her ever since I saw "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" when I was a girl. She can take any role and run with it.
I loved when the Dowager Countess was sitting next to Mrs Crawley at tea and said "OK what have I done wrong now" - when the latter sighed and rolled her eyes when Mary was in a quandry at accepting Matthew - classic!!
^ My favourite Dowager line was from a week or two ago, at the flower show, when she made some sarcastic remark to Mrs Crawley. Mrs Crawley responded archly "I'll take that as a compliment." To which Dowager replies, in the patented butter-wouldn't-melt voices, "Oh, I must have said it wrong!"
That was hilarious! She's quite the character.
Being a history buff I can think of two potential changes to come to Downton Abbey:
1) The deaths of so many young men in combat will result in Downton Abbey's young women having fewer potential suitors from which to chose a husband. This will be as true for Gwen, Daisy and Anna as it is for Lady Mary and her sisters.
2) The war will accelerate social and economic trends that had already began by 1914. These trends will result in young people like Daisy, Gwen and Thomas having more employment options than domestic work. As a result it will get increasingly more difficult to staff big country houses like Downton Abbey.
Actually, I must correct myself; I had the wrong Emma. Shame on me. He was Mr. Weston in the Romola Garai/Jonny Lee Miller version. My apologies.
That's OK, you just reminded us of Jeremy Northam's Mr. Knightley.
The queue for Downton Abbey on Netflix is way too long, so I went ahead and bought the series on ITune. It's only $9.99 for standard def unless you have to have hi-def (which is 14.99). Either way, not a bad deal
Cora: She was very upset by the death of poor Mr Pamuk
Countess: Why? One can't go to pieces at the death of every foreigner...We'd all be in a state of collapse every time we opened a newspaper.
Also, her reaction to the swivel chair had me in stitches. I can't remember her line, something about being good at sailing.
And "No Englishman would ever die in someone else's house!"
I thought the same thing. Let her marry the guy and get out of Downton Abbey so the rest of the family can have some peace.
It finally occured to me during this last episode why the Earl's sister looks and sounds so familiar. It's the same actress who played Miss Moneypenny in the James Bond films with Pierce Brosnan.
I don't know if this is true or not, but wasn't it considered a big deal if a younger sibling got married before an older one? In that era, how much would that have influenced Mary's derailing of Edith's prospects with the dull dude?
AFAIK, as long as the younger sibling has made her debut/been presented at Court, she's officially on the marriage market as much as her older sister.
However, considering the social conventions of the time, a younger sister getting married first might exacerbate fears of spinsterhood for the older girl.
With the 2 big weeks of skating over, I finally watched the last 3 episodes over the weekend and I found these charts that show the family tree and the staff structure to be most helpful to me, as well as this page with character introductions. I don't know if they'll be of any help to anyone else at this point as I was probably the last to finish watching.
In my meanderings, I came across the information that not only will there be a second season, which will be 8 episodes this time (as shown in Britain), but there will also be a Christmas special afterwards. The series is supposed to air on ITV in the fall leading into the Christmas episode, but so far PBS doesn't plan to show it until early 2012. I'm unclear on whether the Christmas episode is the eighth one or if it will bring the total to nine. According to the wiki article that was linked earlier in the thread filming will begin in March.
I hope we'll continue to follow the characters that left the household at the end of this season. I suppose it's inevitable that the scope will be more opened up with the war being on and the characters getting involved in various ways.
eta Well I might not mind not seeing too much more of Thomas, but I'd at least like to hear that his plan to escape military service didn't work out nearly as well as he'd hoped.
I've just finished watching the Itune version that is the original one. Now I understand a bit better--the poor footman didn't know his mom was dying because she wouldn't let people tell him, so Mary finally suggested he pay his mom a visit (without telling him she's dying). Also Thomas and Obrien trying to frame John Bates for the disappearance of snuff boxes.
I thought they were very helpful!
Yeah, some things make a bit more sense seeing the unedited UK version. I saw that version before PBS finished airing the edited version on TV and I'm glad I did.
Yes, though when Matthew said it was invented by Thomas Jefferson, she replied "good heavens . . . must every morning begin with an argument with an american?"
Sorry I'm a few weeks late but being sick all weekend allowed me to catch up with all this online. I'm LOVING it!
Poor Cora and the bathtub. O'Brien is pure evil.
Ahhh, interesting. I saw the PBS edited one then.
Netflix just put this on their streaming! Watching from the beginning, now. No idea if I will like it but if it comes recommended by FSU it can't be bad. I also heard the inlaws mention it the other night.
Why on earth does PBS cut these little things out that would help the flow of the show more? It makes no sense at all yet they do it with so many of the shows coming over from the UK - Foyles War had scenes cut as did Inspoector Lewis and these are just two I know of (as I saw the original versus the edited one). I just don't understand the logic
It was so funny last night. I was babysitting my 8 y/o niece & 10 y/o nephew. They made me watch the American Idol recordings from that week that they had DVRed. Afterwards they were giving me grief about having to go to bed, so I took control of the remote and turned it to PBS where Episode 4 was playing. I figured the sheer sight of a boring grown-up show would send them screaming from the room & upstairs to bed.
At first they were stalling and watching the show with me to avoid going to bed. But then to my utter surprise they were actually engaged in the show. I could tell it was more than just trying to avoid going to bed. It helped when Professor McGonagall came on. But beyond the Harry Potter siting, they were genuinely interested and asking a million questions (such as why Mary couldn't inherit). I had to do some G-rated explanation about Mary's encounter with the Turkish dude - and skated right to the fact that Mary, Anna and the mother carried his dead body back to his room (which elicited comments of "Cool!").
Cue my brother and SIL coming home and standing there in a state of bewilderment when they saw their two kids facinated by Downtown Abbey. It was surreal
I really really loved this series! I can't wait for another season. I hope someone on here will begin a new thread as I won't hear about it or know anything of it until it finally appears on my Netflix, assuming I still subscribe then.
My favorite is Sybil, out of the sisters. I think she is just beautiful and I love how she is ahead of her time. I absolutely hate O'Brien. I think she is the worst of the worst and I blame much of Thomas' behavior on her influence. Why is she so cruel? I don't want her to be made into a good person just because of her feeling remorse for the bathroom incident. I don't think she should be allowed to become good because of something so horrible that she did.
I wonder if we will see more of Thomas and the woman who got the job? I can't remember her name but I really liked her. I would love for Matthew and Sybil to get together. They are better suited and would make some very pretty babies. His eyes are just I do like the chauffeur though and would feel bad for him. If Sybil ends up with anyone else I hope it is the chauffeur and they go on to have a great life together.
Downton Abbey is available for instant streaming on Netflix now.
I don't know whether anyone is interested, but the BBC had Comic Relief last night - sort of a telethon raising money for charity and they did a spoof of Downton Abbey starring a number of famous actors and comedians including Simon Callow, Joanna Lumley, Jennifer Saunders, Victoria Wood, Harry Enfield and Kim Cattrall as the American Countess.
Upstairs Downstairs Abbey Part 1
Upstairs Downstairs Abbey Part 2
Saunders' Maggie Smith was spot on
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