Downton Abbey--Upstairs/Downstairs, Stiff Upper Lips, and Tea!

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  1. PRlady

    PRlady aspiring tri-national

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    Me neither. What a wuss.

    One thing's not making sense, though. Lady Chatham's pretty shrewd (for an American :p). Why hasn't she caught on that her lady's maid is a scheming beeyotch?
     
  2. znachki

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    Artemis - the show aired on ITV in England - which has commercials. There were 7 eps. - 2 were 60 mins, 5 were 45. Total = 345 minutes of TV without commercials.

    What we saw on the first two episodes, encompassed the first 3 in England. Episode 3 was 4 & 5 of the series.

    On my local PBS station they even made a point of saying this is why it's "shorter" than in the UK - no commercials.

    Read this:

    http://www.televisionaryblog.com/2011/01/in-defense-of-downton-abbey-or-dont.html
     
  3. skatingfan5

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    Lady Grantham (thank you, Wikipedia!) probably doesn't spend enough time "downstairs" -- if she did, she surely would have a clue. O'Brien is rather good at being two-faced when dealing with the upstairs folks -- downstairs, they've all got her number.
     
  4. PRlady

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    :slinkaway
     
  5. skatingfan5

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    I'd be completely lost without the wiki entry since I missed the first episode. The entire upstairs seemed to be crawling with Crawleys -- and I first thought it was Lord and Lady Grantley. :lol: :slinkaway
     
  6. Wyliefan

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    Oh, me neither. And I like Dickens heroines, often derided for being too meek, so it just shows you how wussy Fanny is!
     
  7. Artemis@BC

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    Ok, I was confusing myself because I thought I'd watched 3 episodes (which corresponded to the episodes 1-3 description) when in fact I've only watched 2 so far ... it all makes sense now!
     
  8. vesperholly

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    If it's got a British accent, it's a Masterpiece Classic :lol:

    The British episodes were shorter - 50 minutes? PBS episodes are 1.5 hours long.
     
  9. Buzz

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    MANY THANKS!!!! :respec:
     
  10. jlai

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    I love Lark Rise to Candleford. Just waiting for season 3 to come out on Netflix
     
  11. pollyanna

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    I think Sybil is absolutely stunning. Mary is very attractive, but if I was Matthew, I'd be sneaking peeks at Sybil all the time.

    I am SOOOO mad at my daughter. DA dvds were released today on Netflix. I had them at the top of my queue. My daughter snuck in sometime late last night and place a couple of Harold and Kumar movies ahead of Downton Abbey. Now I have a VERY LONG WAIT to see the rest of the series. Needless to say, I've changed my password, but :mad: at polly jr. Who the hell are Harold and Kumar?
     
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  13. Fergus

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    The first movie was actually sorta funny! Even has Neil Patrick Harris trippin' balls. :rofl:

    Definitely the polar opposite of "DA", however. In no way does it fulfill one's minimum daily requirement of Maggie Smith. ;)
     
  14. jen_faith

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    I am really enjoying Downton Abbey. It is so freaking soapy in a very classy kind of way. What's not to love?

    I think Mary Crawley is irredemiably obnoxious and if she and Matthew end up together I shall be annoyed. I am rooting for Sybil and Matthew to get together and make pretty little Crawley babies.

    Downstairs, am not liking eville Thomas nor the nasty lady's maid O'Brien... schemers all of 'em... Rooting for William and Daisy and hoping that Daisy finally wises up to Thomas' machinations and eville ways and loses her crush on the blighter.
     
  15. skatingfan5

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    Or at least finally gets a clue about what was meant when she was warned that he wasn't a ladies man. ;)
     
  16. Wyliefan

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    I don't think Daisy will ever get a clue about anything. Poor girl is a few French fries short of a Happy Meal.
     
  17. moojja

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    I love Mary and Matthew. It's like Pride and Prejudice in reverse.
    It helps the actress is gorgeous. Also you get the feeling for all her snobbery, Mary is trapped in a role and she doesn't know how to break out of it. But her encounter with the Turkish diplomat is full of unfortunate implications. The show made a point saying she agreed/was interested. But he also didn't leave her a lot choices.
     
  18. Artemis@BC

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    That's exactly what I thought! (The P&P parallels that is -- not sure if I'm in love with the idea of M&M.) Of course with P&P there's a predetermined end point, a resolution to the hate-turned-love. With Downton Abbey, since a 2nd season is in the works, if they resolved this particular storyline, that would end the overarching conflict and they'd need to introduce another continuing plot string.

    I refuse to spoil myself by reading future episode descriptions but here's my speculation: Mary & Matthew do discover their love for each other, and get engaged; the Abbey is saved. Then WWI begins, Matthew signs up, and either goes MIA or gets severe shell shock.
     
  19. jen_faith

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    Nooo.... Mary and Matthew is too easy and it's been done already in practically every Jane Austen book. Since Matthew has modern ideas and Sybil has modern ideas, they are definitely the best match. Obviously I am alone in my lonely Syb-Mat shipping :drama:

    As for Daisy and William: I speculate that William will finally win over Daisy and then Cranston will use his previous connections in the entertainment industry to get William gigs/a career in music and whatever the British version of vaudeville was/is. That's my prediction!

    Oh and I agree Matthew will end up in WWI in some awful battle like the Battle of the Somme and be traumatized by it. He can't be killed, though, or the soap goes out of the soap opera.
     
  20. vesperholly

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    I love Sybil but I think she's too young for him. I ship Sybil-socialist driver. Run away together, very romantic! :lol:
     
  21. jen_faith

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    Tchh...

    The chauffeur and Gwen (the maid who wants to be a secretary) need to run off together. The step would be too far down for Sybil. She, reforming woman that she is, could marry a middle class laywer (particularly if he was about to come into a literal and figurative pile) but a working class husband would be too much. She might *dally* with the driver, but marry... nah....
     
  22. my little pony

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    you arent alone, ive been shipping matthew and sybil.she's so pretty, i want her to have the house and the money
     
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  23. Latte

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    Oh good! Someone else caught that too!:rofl:

    At least the old man didn't die the same night he won the cup!:rollin:
     
  24. Latte

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    I adored Cold Comfort Farm!
    First time I ever saw Kate in anything and I thought she was enchanting.
    I still think she was the best Emma of the bunch.:kickass:
     
  25. moojja

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    But the house and the money comes with a set of roles and responsibilities. It's the reason why Matthew was so against being turned into one of "them". (Although in the first two PBS episode, he is slowly changing his behavior to fit the upper class norm.)
    For Sybil, she will lose some of the freedom if she marries the heir no matter what she wants. After all even Matthew is expected to stop working as a lawyer as soon as he inherits. And so far, they have shown no interest in each other.
     
  26. modern_muslimah

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    IA! I love Mary. She seems like the most complicated (except for Bates) character in that show. I've read on other forums where people think she is an utter bitch and that Edith has redeeming qualities but I just don't see it. Mary is spoiled but she's a good person at heart as shown by her reaction to Pemuk's death and some other situations which, if I discussed them now, will be spoilers. Edith, on the other hand, is just bitter and rather manipulative. She even puts down Sybil when she gets the chance and she
    manipulated poor Daisy so that she could get damaging info on Mary
    . She's jealous of both of her sisters and Mary just goes tit for tat with her.

    As for O'Brien:

    She gets her comeuppence, sort of, when she hurts Lady Grantham in the last episode. She feels a lot of remorse, especially when she realizes Lady Grantham is not a scheming person like her. It turns out the grinch actually has a heart.

    Yes! I so want Sybil to get with the chaffeur. That would be :swoon:.
     
  27. Latte

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    No, you aren't the only one RE Matt and Syb.
    She is the most beautiful, the most modern, the nicest, and darn it, she's fun, not like her boring, proper sisters.
    But I think she will fall for the the Irish Rebel car driver(can't spell that Chaff word)

    I love Matt, Granny, Mr Bates, Lord and Lady, and Anna and Gwen.
    Like the Housekeeper and Butler too.
    What can I say, I love this show. My treat of the tv week now that Vampire Diaries is in rerun.
    I will miss it, can't believe there is only one show left.
    Can't wait until the next installment.:D
     
  28. vesperholly

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    ITA, Mary and Edith can ruin each other's lives until they become bitter old spinsters together. :p

    I'm glad that O'Brien
    gets a bit of a heart in the last episode, even if what she did was totally horrible.
    I don't like O'Brien, Thomas and Daisy mostly because they're so one-note. I really want to know what Thomas's deal is, though - there's got to be a reason behind his completely malicious behavior.

    I lurve me some Anna. Of the downstairs crew, she's my favorite. Dowager Lady Grantham is my favorite upstairs person. She's the quintessential Maggie Smith role, and absolutely hilarious.
     
  29. Fergus

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    Dame Maggie Smith is definitely our 21st century Dame May Whitty! :lol:
     
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    I love Jim Carter’s (Mr. Carson) voice. First saw him as Mr. Brehgert in “The Way We Live Now"