Downton Abbey--Upstairs/Downstairs, Stiff Upper Lips, and Tea!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Matryeshka, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

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    Now that the engagement is off and the secret is out of their control, the truth about Vera can be told.

    Now here's a rude question. Shirley MacLaine's character's last name is Levinson. Is that an automatically Jewish last name? How creative of the writers make the Lady Grantham and her daughters Jewish as we move on from WWI.
     
  2. PRlady

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    It is and as soon as I saw it I thought, you're kidding. :rolleyes: American heiresses married Brit aristocrats all the time -- but not American JEWISH heiresses. The antisemitism in both societies was casual and absolute. Edith Wharton's House of Mirth was a frightening account of that, among other things.

    However, having finally watched the finale, awwww. The dog is safe and the main couple is together, apparently with Lavinia's blessing thru the ouija board. :lol: What else could we ask for?
     
  3. Coco

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    LOL, I thought it was the spirit of Mr. Pamuk!
     
  4. danceronice

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    Lol, I don't find Branson (or, for that matter, Allan Leech's other character with which I'm familiar, Agrippa) dour--just painfully earnest! I always feel like "Aw, you're so cute when you're all idealistic and crap." He does it quite well, too. As for "Sibyl", I wonder if she curls her hair or they just attacked it with a straightening iron every day of shooting!

    It was funny how with most of the men, it's basically a matter of combing their hair and adding some gel (and in "Matthew"'s case, slapping on a pound of clown white) while the women...well, Mrs. Patmore is quite a surprise and I had to TELL Mom "That's Mrs. Hughes!" Though it was kind of funny how the women all looked like they were wearing gobs of makeup (especially eyeliner) after seeing their fake-natural TV makeup jobs in-character!

    For an even more different Downton, has anyone seen "Dollhouse Downton?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGXam5nv7rw&feature=related

    As for Cora's family being Jewish, might be. If they were, Cora clearly converted and the daughters are obviously Anglicans. Well, Mary's obviously somewhat skeptical on the subject considering her "I don't even know if you're there" prayer for Matthew's safety. And I'm going to take a guess that whether or not she converted yet Sibyl will be raising some little Catholic children as I very much doubt Branson's Protestant. "Strauss" and "Guggenheim" were Jewish names, too, and no one sneezed socially at their money. Beggars can't be choosers and not every broke European aristocrat could score a Vanderbilt. Plus, maybe her mother remarried.
     
  5. ChelleC

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  7. my little pony

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    per the downton abbey wiki,
    cora's father's name was isadore. while shirley's character may not be jewish, i am sure isadore was.
     
  8. Michalle

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    I think Julian used a particular family as the basis for the Granthams and that the woman who was the real-life parallel to Cora had a jewish father, if my very distant recollection is correct. Something like that. It's definitely coming out of the background of one of the real aristocrats he researched.
     
  9. victoriajh

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    i think i read that they have not even shot the next season yet? set to air in septmener this year- gosh as i only watched season one right before season two aired it will seem forever!!
     
  10. Civic

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    It's possible Branson is Protestant despite his Irish Nationalist and socialist politics. Roman Catholics dominated the Irish Nationalist movement but it had some prominent Protestant members. Playwright Sean O'Casey comes to mind.
     
  11. Lorac

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    They have just started to shoot it I believe. It will be shown in the UK in the Autumn - probably starting in mid to late September.
     
  12. Artemis@BC

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    Caught up last night, and just wanted to say 4 things quickly.

    1. Did anyone else think that there might be a shooting accident (or even "accident") during the hunting party? Specifically with Vile Richard taking a fatal bullet?

    2. Nigel Havers!!! :swoon: (I don't care if his character was a cad. I still :swoon:)

    3. So we end the season with Thomas an (almost) reformed character, O'Brien an (almost) nice(er) character, and Richard somewhat nicer before disappearing. So no baddies left. A whole new crop for next season? Kind of a strange way of doing things, but ...

    4. Enjoyed the behind-the-scenes they aired afterward, though too much recap (hello, we just watched the series) and not enough extras. But mostly I liked seeing 21st century Dan Stevens -- he's quite dishy!
     
  13. danceronice

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    I loved Jullian Fellowes in the recap, practically chortling with glee at "We get them through World War One and they think they've come through, and then...Spanish Flu!" A writer after my own heart!

    Grannyfan--those paper dolls are PRICELESS. I love O'Brien and Thomas--"evil soap!" "Evil facial hair!" But I wish I had not been drinking coffee when I saw the Matthew and Mary page comes with Mr. Parmuk!
     
  14. Scrufflet

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    I just checked youtube to see the SNL parody. It was funny enough. But someone posted the top ten Maggie Smith moments. Now that is hilarious! Do check it out!
     
  15. Wyliefan

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    NOBODY expects the Spanish influenza!!

    (Not my own -- I got it from someone on Facebook.)
     
  16. LilJen

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  18. Lorac

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    Dame Maggie has reached a point in her life where she can take on any role she fancies as she has nothing more to prove as an actress. Because of that she just relaxes into the roles she plays and has a ball with them. No-body drops one liners like Dame Maggie - I just love her and hope she is around for many years to come.
     
  19. Cachoo

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    To me this just seems to be a continuation of her role in "Gosford Park" and that is fine with me. I can't imagine this series without her.
     
  20. nubka

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    Anyone here seen her in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie? I'm going to dig up that DVD and watch it tomorrow. She was wonderful in it! :respec:
     
  21. skatesindreams

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    Absolutely!
    She made the movie.
     
  22. Wyliefan

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    She really did. I can't imagine it without her.
     
  23. PRlady

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    I want to be the Dowager Countess when I'm old. Even it means I've become a reactionary. ;)
     
  24. Peaches LaTour

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    In 1880's Victorian England two reasons were given for discouraging the attendance of upper class women at funerals: class distinction (female attendance was considered "common" and therefore, limited to the lower classes) and the heavy drinking enjoyed both before and after the funeral by the male mourners and undertakers. I don't know what time frame changed this line of thinking.

    It won't be long now before O'Brien sees Thomas for the fool he is and stops helping him. If only the household knew how he was injured in the war!

    I felt sorry for Richard when he left DA - he did love Mary but should have seen from the get-go that she could never be his. Now that she is going to marry Matthew maybe that happiness will make her less of a nasty b*tch. One can only hope.

    Edith, my dear, live the life your father had wished upon Mary (to get her away from Carlisle). Go West, young lady, way, way West and marry an American cowboy who will always tell you how lovely your are!

    Yes, once again, Maggie Smith had the best lines - or is it that she simply can deliver a line so beautifully that it is elevated to perfection.

    Thank goodness Isis was returned home safely. :dog:

    William's dad and Daisy - love this relationship. Mrs. Patmore redeemed herself with her interference in this instance.

    Ah, what happens when Sybil, Branson and their Finien brat show up for dinner the first time at DA???? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Can't wait til next season. See you there! :cool:
     
  25. Artemis@BC

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    Interesting thing in that best-of-the-Dowager montage ... the scene where Cora says "Maybe Mary can go to stay with my aunt in New York." Not mother. So I guess the writers hadn't decided yet at that point to give Cora a mother -- and bring her across the pond.

    Which in turn was a variation on her role as Cousin Charlotte in A Room with a View.

    I agree, Miss Jean Brodie is one of Maggie Smith's best characters -- and she's had a lot! (Quickly checks TCM Oscars schedule to see if it's on ... but no.)
     
  26. my little pony

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    i think because cora was supposed to be from cincinnati. but then this wk may said grandma had homes in NY and i think newport.

    maybe she ditched ohio when isadore died
     
  27. danceronice

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    Consider Fellowes wrote both he probably just used search and replace to change the names..."How do I write a series around Maggie Smith, hmm...."
     
  28. Cachoo

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    ITA--I just watched this again on TCM??? Same woman, less wrinkles and a little less brave in her expression. Seeing so many of the people we would still be watching a generation later my question is: What the hell happened to Julian Sands career?
     
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    Oh yes

    I am in the business of putting old heads on young shoulders, and all of my girls are the creme de le creme. Give me a girl at an impressionable age, and she is mine, for life!

    Or something like that - that's just from memory.
     
  30. LilJen

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    "I am in my prime!"