Downton Abbey--Upstairs/Downstairs, Stiff Upper Lips, and Tea!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Matryeshka, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. Spareoom

    Spareoom Well-Known Member

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    I'm scared for Edith. She deserves some unsullied happiness for once. Let the writers pick on someone else, like Sybil, who seems to have coasted through the show with very little hindrance so far.
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    I looked up the actor who plays Sir Anthony on IMDB, and he's shown as being cast in all the Season 3 episodes. I think Edith's OK.
  3. D&Sfan4ever

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    Oh, you wait 'till 1922, her husband is way to vocal about the irish cause to escape unharmed, to say the least.
  4. Coco

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    LOL, thanks Vesperholly!
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    The producers of Downton Abbey are planning a prequel!!!! :D
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  8. D&Sfan4ever

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    OH.MY.GOD

    Do the writers really hate Edith that much?
    I somehow knew She wouldn't get married to her old suitor, but come on, was it really necesary to have him leave her right at the altar, in front of everyone?
    I really hope She end up marrying a Duke or something, the poor girl needs a brake ASAP
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  9. Spareoom

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    Poor Edith. Really writers, that was too cruel. Love was so GOOD for her; she was happy and mellow and reasonable and wasn't getting up into people's business. Her attitude the day after her "wedding" was reminiscent of the "old Edith" who was grumpy and ticked off and had way too much time on her hands and liked meddling. Please, can we get a hot young gentleman to come in and woo her? Bonus points if Mary works her tail off to help make it happen. Mary isn't exactly the most caring person out there but she's matured a bit over the last few seasons and I hope sympathy for her sister will push her to extend herself a bit more than she's willing to.

    The tying up of the money plot was a little "too" neat but it was sufficent. I admit that the instant Mary started reading that letter, I thought she had forged it. It's not beyond her by any means. Good for Matthew for stating the obvious, too, but I'm glad he trusted her enough to believe that she didn't do it. I guess they'd make an awful married couple if they were pulling stunts like that already. :p Although I do think that Mary would have at least considered faking the letter had the real one not been so agreeable.

    Looks like the troubles for Sybil and Branson are coming, just like everyone said. :p ;) Can't really say that I care.
  10. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I love Sybil and Branson, but I love the drama because they need something to shake them up a bit.
  11. vesperholly

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    ARE YOU FECKING KIDDING ME! :mad::mad::mad:

    I am so furious for Edith. The writers have done nothing but crap on her from Day 1. Saint Mary eventually gets everything she wants, and Saint Matthew is nothing but a walking rabbit's foot. This is ridiculous. I think the show may have finally jumped the shark for me, like Glee did when Rachel and Finn got engaged at 17. I still watch, but I won't care.
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    OK - I'm spoiling myself on this, because we don't get the show until later but:

    WHY?? Why did her leave her at the altar? Is it this letter you speak of?

    Thanks to anyone who will answer.
  13. Marilou

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    In a nut shell, the family got to him - In their eyes, he was too old and crippled and would ruin Edith's life if she married him and had to care for him
    :mad: :mad: :mad:
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    What I don't get is why? In the first season they were fine with him marrying Edith or even Mary (even if he wasn't their first choice). It's not like the age gap has changed. Is it just b/c of the arm. That's pretty small thing compared to Matthew's legs.
  15. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Which I still find absolutely ridiculous. Suspension of disbelief is right. So not only is Matthew recovered from his injuries and able to have children, but he's in relatively NO pain at all or even affected by any of his injuries? It may as well never have happened or did William dying proved to be the ultimate sacrifice to give perfect, upstanding Matthew a real life with St. Mary who always gets what she wants if she'd only cry about it enough.
  16. Coco

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    But don't forget a ton of time has passed since pre-WWI, when they were ok with her marrying an older widower. Prior to the War, they might have expected that he would be healthy enough until their children reached adulthood. Marrying someone at 40 is different than marrying him at 50.
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    Thanks for all the updates, much appreciated!
  18. VIETgrlTerifa

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    But then the women would also be older, right? Wouldn't they just be happy that Edith get someone who fit the bill in every way except being "an invalid" considering her age if all that time passing explains their change of tune?
  19. Spareoom

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    In the episode before this one, I thought Edith was being pretty mature and realistic about the situation to her father when he told Lord Strallen to go packing. She said something along the lines about how so many young men had been killed during the war and she wanted to take her chances at happiness while it was still there. It seemed to make an impression on Lord Grantham, but now he seems to have forgotten all about it. As much as I'd like Edith to marry someone fabulously rich, handsome and charming, I imagine those men were in short supply post-WWI!

    I don't GET the Grantham's sometime. The MIL was right; they need a slap about the head and an admonition to remember that the world is changing.

    Speaking of which, isn't Matthew going to inherit all of Downton Abbey eventually anyway? He has as much of a vested interested in seeing the place succeed as Mary does, but he seemed to treat the whole thing as if it wasn't his problem. It's a large chunk of his inheritance, and while he's definitely independently well-off, one would think he'd want to consider the long-term consequences of letting Downton go. And I don't get the whole "You'll invest in the place and it will become yours as well as mine" talk. It was going to become his anyway, so why the fuss? :p
  20. Coco

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    Poor Daisy - her promotion comes at the expense of her burgeoning love interest.
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    Can any one send me links to this week and last week?
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    I'm so happy to have expat shield and can watch it, but I've found that if I try to see it at the time it's broadcast in England, it takes forever to load. But, if I go online around 8pm my time, when people in England are sleeping, then I have no trouble and can watch it without any issues. It must be all the traffic on the site at the same time.
  23. Marilou

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    If you go to the ITV website, all the available episodes are right there, just click on the one you want.
  24. skatesindreams

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    I was sorry to read that the ratings in the UK were such that it was decided not to do a third series of "Upstairs Downstairs". (The "Dowtown Abbey Effect")
    There are many storylines that will be left unfinished.

    I'll enjoy watching Series 2 on "Masterpiece" while I can.
  25. danceronice

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    Honestly...I can live with that. Honestly I was surprised they did a second, especially as they killed off two interesting characters (
    the mother and the monkey
    ), brought back the Nazi ho (the sister; seriously, just leave her in Berlin and let her get bombed or raped by the Red Army in 1945, who cares? She asked for it!), and apparently Rose being away is because Jean Marsh is ill. And I just know this weekend's I'm going to be comparing whoever's playing Joe Kennedy Sr to Tom Wilkinson and finding him wanting (unless by some miracle they GOT Tom Wilkinson, but I doubt it.)

    It's just...not good. I *am* starting to like Lord whats-his-name, but not at the expense of sitting through the rest of these clowns.
  26. skatesindreams

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    It's nowhere near as great as the original UD; but, still better and more interesting than much of what we see on US TV; so I'm sorry that the "story arc" won't be completed,
  27. danceronice

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    I just can't get into a series, no matter how well-produced, where all I'm thinking is how horrible 90% of the characters are. When you're rooting for the Luftwaffe in a war-era British show, it's a bad sign.
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    The scripts/writing are missing something.
    The preferred actors may have already been busy with "Dowtown Abbey", too.
  29. danceronice

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    I think the writers got caught up too much in the concept--what happened to the Bellamy's old house--then were stuck by the original cast either being unavailable because in-story, they couldn't come back (Lady Bellamy died in-universe, their son killed himself, etc) or actor existence failure (a good chunk), changed production values meant they had to come up with a way of overhauling the old set (the old BBC film outside/video inside and cardboard sets wasn't going to fly) but that meant basically rendering the only recognizable "character" unrecognizable. There's the viewer-logic questions (if this is only a few years later, how is it Rose looks like she's aged 40 years?). Once they figured out a new plot, they seem to introduce characters more to teach a lesson of the week (Jews Are People Too), kill them off rather than do anything interesting with them once the point was made, change personalities to suit the situation (especially second season--uh, NOW their marriage is unhappy? Since when was the sister after the husband?), drop points that could have been carried on...

    I think where they probably ran into trouble versus Downton was less getting the cast (all the actors are perfectly competent) than things like inadvertent plot similarities where Downton just came off better--the younger sister/chauffeur plot in particular (likable daughter who wants to do something with her life and somewhat extreme but highly sympathetic Irish revolutionary versus bored, self-absorbed lightskirt who just likes to party and THINK she's intellectual and a blackshirt who is initially sympathetic to Hitler--really, which show is more likely to appeal to viewers?) This series I could actually get to like the Lord of the house, but now he's surrounded by crabby self-absorbed people who fight over contrived issues he's getting roped into a REALLY contrived infidelity plot.

    And the thing next week bringing in Ambassador Kennedy and of COURSE his second son Jack seems less like a clever plot point than a Hail Mary at this stage.
  30. skatesindreams

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    I wonder how much input Eileen Atkins and Jean Marsh had in the revival.

    The premise was wrong.
    It wasn't "165 Eaton Place" that was interesting.
    It was the people whose home it was - above and below-stairs - that fascinated the audience.
  31. Wyliefan

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    Sometimes I think Claire Foy shot herself in the foot with that role. She was just coming off Little Dorrit, if I remember correctly, and I think she did that thing so many actors do, where they think they have to play a really evil person after they've played a really good person. But the UD character was so over-the-top evil that it went too far in the other direction. For most people, she wasn't a love-to-hate character, more like an I-really-HATE-this-woman-get-her-off-my-screen-this-instant character.
  32. Vagabond

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    The character of Lady Persie is inspired by two real-life sisters, Unity Mitford and Diana Mitford, Lady Mosley. Unity Mitford, the more direct inspiration, went to live in Germany at about the same time as the Lady Persie character, apparently attempted suicide just after World War II started, and died of complications from the incident in 1948. Diana married her second husband, Sir Oswald Mosley, the leader of the British Union of Fascists, at Joseph Goebbels' home. She died in 2003, and she was quite outspoken, writing, editing, publishing, and giving interviews, until right up to her death. Most British viewers of Upstairs Downstairs would, at a minimum, know about Diana and have some recollection of her public statements and would recognize her story, if not Unity's, as a source for the Lady Persie character.

    And, no, given the real-life exploits of Unity, Diana, and their four other sisters, the character is not at all over the top. :hat1:
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    Vagabond, I was waiting for someone to mention the Mitford sisters.
    Further, as incredible as it might seem to us in hindsight, they were by no means alone in their "sympathies"/beliefs.
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    When compared to the Mitford sisters Lady Persie's character is not over the top - but that doesn't mean anyone has to actually like the character - many people did not like the Mitford sisters or their exploits regarding them as traitors to their country. In that respect the dislike of the Lady Persie character was perfectly acceptable IMHO and did nothing to make anyone want to care about her story!!

    The biggest issue Upstairs/Downstairs had was being a re-creation of a much loved original show that just did not come up to snuff. That and being up against Downton was always going to mean it was facing an up-hill battle to win viewers!!
  35. danceronice

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    Yep, I know all about the Mitford sisters--doesn't mean I like Persie any better, or like THEM, either (Unity got what she deserved. The only people I have less sympathy for than Nazi sympathizers is Soviet sympathizers.)

    However I read some spoilers and while I still won't care a bit about her, I'll get SOME satisfaction.
  36. Wyliefan

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    Yes, I'm familiar with them too. I wonder if they inspired as much as sheer annoyance as Persie does. :)
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  37. vesperholly

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    I really liked the new Upstairs, Downstairs. :shuffle:

    It seemed a little more creative (soapy?) in the plotlines than Downton "He's paralyzed! No he's not! They're poor! No they're not!" Abbey. Actions have consequences and there is no deus ex machina to save the day. Never watched the original UD, though.
  38. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Oh yeah, that's the issue I have with Downton Abbey at the moment. Things always work out too well. I know that's what people like, but I think it's a bit beneath the person who gave us the first season, and wrote the amazing Gosford Park.
  39. Wyliefan

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    I've been reading about the episode that just aired. I don't think you're going to have that issue anymore. :shuffle:
  40. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I'm sure it'll work itself out by the end of the season.