Downton Abbey--Upstairs/Downstairs, Stiff Upper Lips, and Tea!

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  1. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely!
    She made the movie.
  2. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    She really did. I can't imagine it without her.
  3. PRlady

    PRlady aspiring tri-national

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    I want to be the Dowager Countess when I'm old. Even it means I've become a reactionary. ;)
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    In 1880's Victorian England two reasons were given for discouraging the attendance of upper class women at funerals: class distinction (female attendance was considered "common" and therefore, limited to the lower classes) and the heavy drinking enjoyed both before and after the funeral by the male mourners and undertakers. I don't know what time frame changed this line of thinking.

    It won't be long now before O'Brien sees Thomas for the fool he is and stops helping him. If only the household knew how he was injured in the war!

    I felt sorry for Richard when he left DA - he did love Mary but should have seen from the get-go that she could never be his. Now that she is going to marry Matthew maybe that happiness will make her less of a nasty b*tch. One can only hope.

    Edith, my dear, live the life your father had wished upon Mary (to get her away from Carlisle). Go West, young lady, way, way West and marry an American cowboy who will always tell you how lovely your are!

    Yes, once again, Maggie Smith had the best lines - or is it that she simply can deliver a line so beautifully that it is elevated to perfection.

    Thank goodness Isis was returned home safely. :dog:

    William's dad and Daisy - love this relationship. Mrs. Patmore redeemed herself with her interference in this instance.

    Ah, what happens when Sybil, Branson and their Finien brat show up for dinner the first time at DA???? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Can't wait til next season. See you there! :cool:
  5. Artemis@BC

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    Interesting thing in that best-of-the-Dowager montage ... the scene where Cora says "Maybe Mary can go to stay with my aunt in New York." Not mother. So I guess the writers hadn't decided yet at that point to give Cora a mother -- and bring her across the pond.

    Which in turn was a variation on her role as Cousin Charlotte in A Room with a View.

    I agree, Miss Jean Brodie is one of Maggie Smith's best characters -- and she's had a lot! (Quickly checks TCM Oscars schedule to see if it's on ... but no.)
  6. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    i think because cora was supposed to be from cincinnati. but then this wk may said grandma had homes in NY and i think newport.

    maybe she ditched ohio when isadore died
  7. danceronice

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    Consider Fellowes wrote both he probably just used search and replace to change the names..."How do I write a series around Maggie Smith, hmm...."
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    ITA--I just watched this again on TCM??? Same woman, less wrinkles and a little less brave in her expression. Seeing so many of the people we would still be watching a generation later my question is: What the hell happened to Julian Sands career?
  9. znachki

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    Oh yes

    I am in the business of putting old heads on young shoulders, and all of my girls are the creme de le creme. Give me a girl at an impressionable age, and she is mine, for life!

    Or something like that - that's just from memory.
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    "I am in my prime!"
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    "ASSASSIN!"
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    ^ Thanks for that link! That's definitely quite a hat she's wearing -- and quite the imperious expression. :drama:

    How will I be able to endure the wait until Season 3 is broadcast? :( :lol:
  14. Peaches LaTour

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    Can anybody translate Maggie Smith's comment (in french) about Lord Hempworth's father?
  15. Coco

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    I'm finding it unbearable, too!
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    "Où sont les neiges d'antan?..." = "Where are the snows of yesteryear?..."
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  19. danceronice

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    Especially when they note ITV hasn't even commissioned a 4th or 5th series yet so there may not be anything to come back to! And all the cast are back for series 3. Basically, a few actors are committed in advance, while others are apparently waiting.

    Though really, while I'd be ANNOYED TO PIECES if instead of letting them be reasonably happy they saddled up the drama llama again and got rid of Matthew, if the series is REALLY aiming to end around WWII, they can't reasonably keep the Dowager Countess around forever.
  20. Lorac

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    I read somewhere that the original aim was always for 3 series. I suspect that ITV are working on Julian Fellowes to write series 4 & 5 - there is no guarentee they will get them and I suspect they are feeling out the cast to see who would be interested in additional series. I'm not too worried about this just yet :)
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  22. aliceanne

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    They can keep the actors they want as long as they want - they can always do flashbacks and prequels. If people leave, they can just bring in new actors as younger versions or long lost relatives, or whatever. They can even bring people back from the dead in dreams and hallucinations. Soaps have no limits, although I'm guess Downton Abbey won't go the cryogenics or vampire route.
  23. Latte

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    I don't want Mary without Matthew. Period.
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    I could vote for cryogenics if it means keeping Violet around. :D
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    There's good potential if they were to go the vampire route, as well. Violet the Coven Mistress? They have to keep Maggie Smith around if they know what's good for the show.
  26. Latte

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    How about they have her play a older version of her Daughter?:D
  27. Fergus

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    Dame Maggie's a smart old dame :)duh:), she's probably holding out for more dough. ;)
  28. Artemis@BC

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    As much as I love Downton Abbey ... I really hope they don't try to drag things on forever. The greatest thing about BritTV over AmericanTV is that, traditionally, British series go for quality over quantity -- 6 to 12 episodes a season, rarely more than 3 seasons and sometimes not even that. There's the odd series that breaks the rule successfully (Midsomer comes to mind), but the others that try to drag on end up just dragging (Heartbeat, BallyK, and Monarch of the Glen to name but 3).

    I'd much rather Downton Abbey go out on a high note than try to cash in on its popularity and go on indefinitely.
  29. Coco

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    Now that's Mary's situation is "settled" and all is right with that part of the world, I hope we see Edith and that older widower who injured his arm in the war get together.

    More because I like his character then hers, lol.

    Regarding the likelihood of my earlier post, I'm just glad to have had a reason to bump up this thread :)
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  30. aliceanne

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    I know what you mean. That is why I liked the British "The Office" better. Once Tim and Dawn got together it ended. That was what we were waiting to find out. We also didn't have to wade through all the time they were apart.
  31. danceronice

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    They can't if the actors don't sign. (And for all the 'soapy' elements I'd hope they have a better standard for plots than the "vaguely similar twin brother" route. It's Downton Abbey, not Coronation Street.)
  32. Civic

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    IIRC, this is a line from a 15th century French poem by Francois Villon.
  33. aliceanne

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    They have gone for most of the standard soap cliches so far. Crippled for life/but not really, amnesia victim, romantic interest/but not really (Lavinia), appealingly rich but appallingly crooked suitor (Sir Richard), perpetual bad timing (he wants her/she doesn't want him, oh wait she does, but now he doesn't).
  34. danceronice

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    Sort of, but not with the usual writing or acting level that implies. (And DEFINITELY not the production value.) Plus allowing the actors/characters to age, die, etc. And there hasn't been anything completely implausible. The reason "Patrick" even gets a toehold in is because, while his post-Titanic amnesia story is a hard sell, being mutliated beyond physical recognition? Take a number, guy, this is World War I. Plus, Matthew's injury was plausible if improbable. Meanwhile Bates/Anna is less soap opera than the plot of one of any number of vaguely inter-war-period mystery novels. (Seriously, at this point I would totally believe Lord Peter Wimsey showing up at Downton to straighten it all out.) And, of course, finally someone uses the Spanish Flu (which DID kill you just that fast) besides freakin' Twilight.

    My biggest issue with the Ouija board, meanwhile, isn't that it was 'helpful' (Mrs. Patmore was BLATANTLY pushing it for Daisy's "message", while with Anna, it could very well be someone's subconscious.) It was that apparently the spirits of Downton are champion speed-spellers.

    And so far, they have NOT tried to pull an actor switch. And characters who leave, leave, at least as far as people like Gwen go. (And Jane and Ethel, one can hope. In a soap they'd be all the same character anyway.)
  35. aliceanne

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    I'll give you the production values and the acting, but I'm disappointed in the writing. I think it would be a more interesting drama if some of the character's choices had lasting consequences and they had to deal with it.
  36. centerstage01

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    Apparently Downton Abbey and cast were a huge hit at the Television Critics Association convention in Beverly Hills yesterday. They didn't reveal a lot about season three but that it will return on PBS January 6th, and that there are one or two :yikes: moments.

    But the best part, IMO? FREE BATES! Scroll down for the pic...totally worth it. :rofl:
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    :rofl: Loved it!
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    Thanks for the chuckle!
  39. skatesindreams

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    January can't come soon enough!
  40. Wyliefan

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    Oh, I wish!!