Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Matryeshka, Jan 23, 2011.
I'll bring the powerstrips and deviled eggs.
An amusing speculation on season three. Scroll down. Warning: Not factual!
A very picturesque and romantic proposal
Carlisle to the Dowager Countess: "I doubt we will see each other again
Dowager: "Do you promise?"
I like this episode better. Even carlisle shows a human moment when he leaves
Anna is so sharp and observant she really should be Mrs Hughes' successor
She really deserves better than Bates imho
Thomas is really too dumb to lie or do anuthing underhand
I am glad that DAisy gets some good advice for once from W's dad
Mary's problems are getting old
Poor Edith again...sigh
This episode was sort of like a reunion of Hornblower actors: William's dad, Edith's old suitor and Bates' solicitor, all Hornblower alumni.
I don't understand how the prosecutor at the trial knew to ask the questions he asked. How would he have known, for example, the comment Bates had made to Lord Grantham about "the late Mrs. Bates?" Who would have told him that? He seemed with all three witnesses to be fishing for particular answers, and I don't see how he could have known about them except from Bates. If so, then in the words of a previous poster, Bates really is too dumb to live.
Maggie Smith got all the best lines.
Thomas is lucky that Isis didn't bite him in the ass. This is why animals are better than people!
I missed the first 20 minutes of tonight's episode. Who was the brunette servant who was shagging Lady Rosamund's beau? What was her position at Downton? Also, what happened with Edith?
That was Lady Rosamund's personal maid Just can't get the help these days
That Ouija board scene with Mrs. P was hilarious, largely due to the expression on Thomas'face
I'm happy Daisy finally has found peace with her relationship with William. The exchange between her and William's father (and the Dowager Countess) was very sweet.
I'd like to see a little more development of Thomas's love life in the coming season. Being gay in this time period would lead to an entire extra level of intrigue
Plus, he's all sorts of so that would make it all the more worth watching.
A softer side to Ms. O'Brien?
once he turned on the isis, all i want to see is thomas torn apart by the hunting dogs
1 to hook up to the big-screen TV so we can see it BIG and 24 for FSU PBP/snarking?
I was literally clutching the arm of the couch until Isis returned.
Though the scene between Lord Robert and a mush disheveled Thomas kind of made the former look like a doofus. After all of Thomas' shenanigans, one would have thought that LR would smell something fishy.
Dame Maggie's comments after the library fight = &
Thomas: "Do I say something? Do I go with it?"
I hope Thomas has learned his lesson about these Marx-Brothers-worthy wacky hijinx. He's failed miserably as a blackmailer, a draft dodger, a black marketeer, and now as dognapper (though that one paid off, through sheer dumb luck.) The Crowleys, particularly the Earl, have shown themselves over and over to be forgiving employers to the point of absurdity at times. If he GENUINELY straightens up his act, he could wind up a valet as let's face it, Bates is not coming back one way or another (if only out of his own stupid pride.)
Thomas also has two problems with his love life: one, he's gay, and two, he's a servant. The Crowleys, again, were VERY understanding about Bates and Anna, but that's unusual circumstances and they were planning to leave eventually.
I want to be the Dowager Countess when I grow up.
I have been wondering when Daisy would get some recognition. She is clearly not doing a scullery maid's work any more (letting a scullery maid cook would be like letting the dishwasher expedite a dinner service, just not a good plan.) But she also isn't especially assertive.
I have to add: Apparently the spirits of Downton are the fastest spellers in the history of Ouija boards.
She wanted to rekindle her relationship with Sir Anthony, but since he lost the use of an arm in the war, he basically said no. Now that I'm injured, in addition to being too old for you, I can't do that to you.
Lady Violet made an obeservation at one point that Edith wanted to keep on nursing, even after the war ended.
I'm surprised that she was so friendly when she saw Thomas later. I was hoping she'd grwol at him. That would've done the trick.
My alternate theory is that she dies - in childbirth. That would open up a whole bunch of angsty goodness.
You know, I decided that Bates problem is that too much of Grantham has rubbed off on him. He's too honorable for his station in life. He has no power to back it up.
An older friend said that Lady Sybil reminded him of the young Elizabeth Taylor. I'm not sure I've seen enough of young Elizabeth's films to agree or disagree.
lady sybil looks exactly like my friend mary and all 6 (yes 6) of her children incl the boys. however, mary hates the show because "pamuk raped mary."
oh the things you learn about people but never would have known if they hadnt invented facebook
does it matter if sir anthony is 1 handed if he gets an octogenarian to make his tea?
LOL, she's a Labrador Retriever. She was probably saying "HI NICE MAN WHO TOOK ME FOR WALK AND PUT ME IN HOUSE THAT SMELLS LIKE GUNPOWDER AND BIRD BLOOD! GO AGAIN?"
Bates's problem appeared to be that 1. he didn't understand the meaning of "you do not have to say anything" (the caution they gave him was authentic) and his/Lord Grantham's solicitor (the lawyer speaking to them--the ones representing him actively in the trial are called barristers and the solicitor engaged them; I don't know if THEY could speak to prosecution witnesses) did NOT explain to Robert, O'Brien, and Mrs. Hughes that while you must answer honestly you NEVER EVER volunteer more information than is asked for. All Robert, for example, had to say was he remembered Bates saying he wished she were the ex-Mrs. Bates. If the Crown pressed the point (clearly they had some idea about it, as apparently no one told Bates about his right not to incriminate himself) he only had to say that's what he remembered Bates saying. Which is true. Just selective.
Frankly I'm surprised they apparently convinced Anna pretty fast not to testify (spousal privilege is absolute--it doesn't matter what they want to ask her about, the Crown can't call her--but she COULD volunteer to testify for the defence. That would open it up for the Crown to cross, though.) I was half-expecting her to demand to be allowed to try and prove his innocence.
Heck, apparently it never occurred to Mary, and Robert and Matthew didn't know at the time, to tell them about the arrangement with Sir Richard, but then again that leaves Mary open to scandal. Huh, while Mary isn't exactly educated in law and it might not have occurred to her, it might have occurred to Sir Richard while he was killing the story that HE knew quite a bit about Vera and what sort of person she was. But then he risks 'outing' Mary...plus either Anna and Bates didn't tell the solicitor or there is absolutely no evidence that Vera was the real thief. But really, no one from his old regiment remembered his nutty wife who also fooled around? No one thought to bring up her current infidelity (which Bates knew about as he was using it as grounds for the divorce) to show Vera was an unstable loon who might well have killed herself, which is what the defence should have been doing. Bates not explaining what a nut she was is taking not speaking ill of the dead way too far.
I was surprised and pleased by Mary and Matthew becoming engaged at the end.
Ended the season on a good note. But something will probably go wrong next season, unless they want to bring their children into to show so they can be killed off in WW2.
I really thought Bates would be hung. I was happy but surprised when he wasn't.
Did you see the background special after the show was over?
Most of the actors were interviewed and it showed scene's being shot.
I was most surprised to learn that Dour Branson, was a outgoing funny adorable guy in real life. For that matter, so was Sibil. She was so funny talking about how she couldn't wait for them to kiss. By the way, she is even twice as Beautiful in real life.
It was a lot of fun. I can't wait until next season, does anyone know when it is supposed to start?
Oh, and I was so afraid that something was going to happen to Isis!
Now that the engagement is off and the secret is out of their control, the truth about Vera can be told.
Now here's a rude question. Shirley MacLaine's character's last name is Levinson. Is that an automatically Jewish last name? How creative of the writers make the Lady Grantham and her daughters Jewish as we move on from WWI.
It is and as soon as I saw it I thought, you're kidding. American heiresses married Brit aristocrats all the time -- but not American JEWISH heiresses. The antisemitism in both societies was casual and absolute. Edith Wharton's House of Mirth was a frightening account of that, among other things.
However, having finally watched the finale, awwww. The dog is safe and the main couple is together, apparently with Lavinia's blessing thru the ouija board. What else could we ask for?
LOL, I thought it was the spirit of Mr. Pamuk!
Lol, I don't find Branson (or, for that matter, Allan Leech's other character with which I'm familiar, Agrippa) dour--just painfully earnest! I always feel like "Aw, you're so cute when you're all idealistic and crap." He does it quite well, too. As for "Sibyl", I wonder if she curls her hair or they just attacked it with a straightening iron every day of shooting!
It was funny how with most of the men, it's basically a matter of combing their hair and adding some gel (and in "Matthew"'s case, slapping on a pound of clown white) while the women...well, Mrs. Patmore is quite a surprise and I had to TELL Mom "That's Mrs. Hughes!" Though it was kind of funny how the women all looked like they were wearing gobs of makeup (especially eyeliner) after seeing their fake-natural TV makeup jobs in-character!
For an even more different Downton, has anyone seen "Dollhouse Downton?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGXam5nv7rw&feature=related
As for Cora's family being Jewish, might be. If they were, Cora clearly converted and the daughters are obviously Anglicans. Well, Mary's obviously somewhat skeptical on the subject considering her "I don't even know if you're there" prayer for Matthew's safety. And I'm going to take a guess that whether or not she converted yet Sibyl will be raising some little Catholic children as I very much doubt Branson's Protestant. "Strauss" and "Guggenheim" were Jewish names, too, and no one sneezed socially at their money. Beggars can't be choosers and not every broke European aristocrat could score a Vanderbilt. Plus, maybe her mother remarried.
Interesting article a friend sent me.
I stumbled onto this from the MSN site. Downton Abbey paperdolls.
per the downton abbey wiki,
cora's father's name was isadore. while shirley's character may not be jewish, i am sure isadore was.
I think Julian used a particular family as the basis for the Granthams and that the woman who was the real-life parallel to Cora had a jewish father, if my very distant recollection is correct. Something like that. It's definitely coming out of the background of one of the real aristocrats he researched.
i think i read that they have not even shot the next season yet? set to air in septmener this year- gosh as i only watched season one right before season two aired it will seem forever!!
It's possible Branson is Protestant despite his Irish Nationalist and socialist politics. Roman Catholics dominated the Irish Nationalist movement but it had some prominent Protestant members. Playwright Sean O'Casey comes to mind.
They have just started to shoot it I believe. It will be shown in the UK in the Autumn - probably starting in mid to late September.
Caught up last night, and just wanted to say 4 things quickly.
1. Did anyone else think that there might be a shooting accident (or even "accident") during the hunting party? Specifically with Vile Richard taking a fatal bullet?
2. Nigel Havers!!! (I don't care if his character was a cad. I still )
3. So we end the season with Thomas an (almost) reformed character, O'Brien an (almost) nice(er) character, and Richard somewhat nicer before disappearing. So no baddies left. A whole new crop for next season? Kind of a strange way of doing things, but ...
4. Enjoyed the behind-the-scenes they aired afterward, though too much recap (hello, we just watched the series) and not enough extras. But mostly I liked seeing 21st century Dan Stevens -- he's quite dishy!
I loved Jullian Fellowes in the recap, practically chortling with glee at "We get them through World War One and they think they've come through, and then...Spanish Flu!" A writer after my own heart!
Grannyfan--those paper dolls are PRICELESS. I love O'Brien and Thomas--"evil soap!" "Evil facial hair!" But I wish I had not been drinking coffee when I saw the Matthew and Mary page comes with Mr. Parmuk!
I just checked youtube to see the SNL parody. It was funny enough. But someone posted the top ten Maggie Smith moments. Now that is hilarious! Do check it out!
NOBODY expects the Spanish influenza!!
(Not my own -- I got it from someone on Facebook.)
I love Maggie Smith, and the writers obviously love her too.
Great, great! She is absolutely marvellous, and seems to be enjoying her role very much.
Dame Maggie has reached a point in her life where she can take on any role she fancies as she has nothing more to prove as an actress. Because of that she just relaxes into the roles she plays and has a ball with them. No-body drops one liners like Dame Maggie - I just love her and hope she is around for many years to come.
To me this just seems to be a continuation of her role in "Gosford Park" and that is fine with me. I can't imagine this series without her.
Anyone here seen her in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie? I'm going to dig up that DVD and watch it tomorrow. She was wonderful in it!
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