Downton Abbey - Season 4 on PBS

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  1. skatingfan5

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    Add me to those who were :wuzrobbed when Mary broke down crying. I even got teary-eyed when I heard her and Carson's scene as part of a radio review. :shuffle:

    As for Edith and her would-be German citizen beau ... I'm thinking that might not end well ... or at least have quite a bit of complications. (Nightmarish visions of baby Sybil and George with cousins in the Hitler-Jugend.) :scream:

    :lol: Rose annoys me just as much as she did last season -- and I'm a bit upset with Anna getting herself involved in helping Rose cover up her antics.

    ETA: Thomas/Barrow back to his :EVILLE: ways -- you knew it was only a matter of time. But glad that nasty Nanny West got the :kickass:.
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    To those in the "know". I watched the first EP while working and missed few issues. Can someone help?

    Q1: Why did Lady Mary fire the baby's nurse? Did the Nurse "say" or "do" something? I could not tell...

    Q2: How did M-me Cora lose her maid? by some kind of "conspiracy" or "trick" from a relative's wife? Why was M-me Cora so upset about loosing a maid? Was that a special maid? I had an impression that after WWI english nobility was loosing money and estates, and had to let go many servants who desparately were seeking new positions....
  3. smurfy

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    q1. Cora fired the nanny, she overheard the nanny talking nice to baby George and calling baby Sybil nasties names (halfbreed). Cora fired her on the sport in such a calm way

    Q2 episode began w someone leaving downtown n leaving notes, and it was O'Brien. Actress left the show after least season and they had her in last seasons episode bond w the cousin in sScotland that was going tomIndia. O'Brien mentioned she wanted to travel and the cousins maid did not so O'Brien was offered the job as stated in the season opener.
  4. GoldenLady

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    Thanks for the info! The dog in the opening credits is clearly a different dog from the one who plays Isis; the one in the credits is stockier and very masculine-looking, while Isis is delicate and feminine, so this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the quotes, too. :)
  5. Japanfan

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    Quite a few dogs have been cast as Isis over the years.

    It must be getting near time for Isis to pass on and the Earl of Grantham to get a new puppy. How many years have passed since the series began? Isis was an adult at the start of the series and appears not to have aged at all.
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  7. Artemis@BC

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    As followers of CuteOverload know ... the correct term when referring to animal butts is "tocks." :D
  8. dardar1126

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    This is how Allen Leech/Tom Branson refers to it:

    :p
  9. Icetalavista

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    I also thought Lord Grantham was going to toss the letter - and Mary's legacy - into the fireplace. Nice touch, that fire.
    I am totally disappointed in the Eville Barrow rehash. Honestly. Lazy writing. So much to create drama about and they recycle this.
    I'm thinking Mary can learn estate management in, oh, 2 hours. Grantham was trying to sandbag her at the dinner. Pathetic. Hope he gets his, and gets it good in this season.
    I'm also hoping they continue Daisy's storyline with her father in law. I want her to ditch the kitchen and take up farming - get out from under the thumb of everyone and enjoy life a bit, and quit pining over the doofus footman who's chasing the *other* kitchenmaid.
    Looking forward to Rose's next affair. I get a kick out of her.
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  11. IceAlisa

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    Well, yeah. The Dowager is all kinds of awesome. :D
  12. danceronice

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    See, again, I don't find the Earl's behavior deserving of any sort of comeuppance--Mary did need a kick to the pants, and the idea should just jump into management is, indeed, silly. She's going to be even more at sea than Branson (as last season and the Reggie Swire Inheritance Debacle demonstrates, she's really not that much better about money or estate planning than her father). It was a cruel way to do it, but sometimes you need a sledgehammer, not a feather pillow. She seems to have both snapped out of her apathy and realized that she SHOULD take an interest (not what he was going for, but what she needed) and realized she's going to need a LOT of help. Fortunately she seems to have realized she should pay attention to Branson on the subject.

    As for Barrow, my real question is if he's going to be evil, why the fudge is he targeting ANNA? The "rivalry" with Bates is long gone--Barrow outranks him now, the issue of who's the valet is settled, and has he forgotten who exactly helped figure out how to scuttle O'Brien's manipulation to get him dismissed without reference? That's right, Bates. He barely knows Edna (can we get a new character whose name does not being with E, please?), he has zero reason to dislike Anna or Bates, and if he found out that Eddie Girl is scheming to snag Sybil's widower husband, given Barrow's major "pet the dog" last season, not to mention a point where he bonded with Anna, was how much he genuinely liked Sybil and how devastated he was by her death, how long is this alliance really going to last?

    And I love that the Carnarvons call their Spaniels Naughty 1, 2, and 3. My dogs have names but I do at times refer to them as Big Pest, Little Pest, and Giant Economy-Size Pest...
  13. IceAlisa

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    Did they replace the kid who played little Sybbie? Or did she just grow up?
  14. smurfy

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    Show began day Titanic sank, April 1912, and now it is 1922
  15. Artemis@BC

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    But as someone pointed out up-thread, Isis was not the original lab (from the opening credits in seasons 1-3). Isis came some years later, around 1919 or so.
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    As has been pointed out, "Isis" was not Lord Grantham's dog in series 1. IIRC, she arrived in season 2, which began set in late 1916.

    I believe that Isis was around from the beginning of season 2 -- so, definitely before 1919.
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    The episode where Isis got "lost" (i.e., Thomas hides her in the shed) was the Christmas special at the end of season 2, circa 1919. I'm picturing Isis as just a young'un then I think, maybe 6 mo to a year old -- it's certainly the first time I remember her being mentioned by name.

    ETA: just checked the Downton Wiki and it appears there was a mention of her by name earlier in WWI, specifically in relation to turning Downton Abbey into a convalescent home. So 1916 or so?
  18. dardar1126

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    It's a different child from last year's baby Sybbie...a little toddler named Ava.

    http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/1...s_taste_of_Downton_Abbey_life_as_Baby_Sybbie/

    Bromley toddler gets taste of Downton Abbey life as Baby Sybbie

    1:18pm Friday 16th August 2013 in News By Heloise Wood

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    They use twins to play baby George.

    http://www.wetpaint.com/downton-abbey/articles/2013-10-17-season-4-baby-george-twins

    Downton Abbey Season 4: Who Are the Twins Who Play Baby George Crawley?

    October 17, 2013 at 07:19PM EDT by Elisabeth Kramer

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    All the kids are so cute! :)
  19. PRlady

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    Also, the family may have money problems again (they're setting it up that way with the "death duties" they keep talking about) but I think they'd be out there digging their own potatoes before the Countess would go without her lady's maid. That's the confidante position (although god knows Cora misplaced it with O'Brien) so I would imagine losing that person is a lot worse than replacing a random housemaid or footman.
  20. IceAlisa

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    Thanks, dardar1126! :)
  21. Coco

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    Loved it, of course. My favorite line was Lady Edith talking about how her father would do if the servants left. It was something like, "he'd be found dead in a corridor, arms outstretched towards the kitchen."
  22. Jenny

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    Speaking of Edith, I do like how they are turning her into this smart, modern woman. I could see an interesting story if she chooses to go with dude to Germany but not marry him, and gets involved in political and human issues there, perhaps coming back and being the only one in her secluded family to realize what's happening in the coming years.
  23. Artemis@BC

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    Yeah, that could be really interesting, especially if Robert gets sucked into the Nazi-sympathizer, "Hitler's not such a bad chap" crowd. Which is not completely beyond the realm of possibilities, there were a lot of really naïve people who went that route based on the "protecting our traditions" propaganda.

    However I don't see them setting up scenes in Germany for Edith's sake, so I think it would mean her disappearing from the show for a while. And I really don't want that to happen.
  24. Jenny

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    Yes, I was thinking Remains of the Day - papa is definitely a candidate for going the wrong way.

    Good point about not wanting her to to leave though - I guess they've tried to replace Sybil with Rose but it's not the same, and I think we really need Edith in the mix. The neverending parade of maids only provides the same old storylines, whereas Edith is the opportunity to make the story relevant to the time period the most.

    Maybe she could go briefly, and then get involved with a bunch of ex-pat artists and journalists in London, and maybe bring some refugees to Downton :)
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    I fully expect that, assuming the show carries on to the mid-30s, we'll see some refugee storylines somehow. But in terms of Edith going there and being involved, I'm not sure how the timing will work. Things do move very slowly in Downton-land, but if it's now 1922 and Gregson seems very keen to get this "divorce tourism" thing going asap.
  26. danceronice

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    I can see another reason for just not going that way (Edith and Gregson moving there and tying it into the rising Nazi movement): even if they weren't overtly sympathetic, and it would be hard not to feel sorry for Weimar Germans and just how bad their country was wiped out as punishment for a war they didn't start, they already did that plot on the short-lived "Upstairs, Downstairs" revival with the wife's younger sister. There was already an unfortunate plot similarity (politically-active chauffeur and rebellious younger daughter, though it ended much differently.)
  27. Jenny

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    That's actually what I was thinking - not the Jewish refugee story angle from Remains of the Day, but perhaps Edith the increasingly worldly person getting to know some Germans as people, perhaps in the journalist and artist community - and realizing that something was starting to go horribly wrong, perhaps just as her traditional family is sympathizing the other ways. She educates them, and it's an opportunity to tell a different story. It might be a few years too early for all that, but I'm assuming the writers chose Germany for some larger purpose than a simple divorce.
  28. my little pony

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    i always assumed isadore levinson was jewish and that some distant refugee cousin would pop up in the 30s, but that's just me talking to myself not based on actual facts
  29. skatingfan5

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    Yes, Isidore Levinson, Cora's father, was indeed Jewish (according to the book The Chronicles of Downton Abbey).
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    Yes, I thought her would. I was surprised when he gave it to Mary.
  31. skategal

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    I just finished watching my DVRed episode 1 of season 4. I'm so happy this is back for another season.

    Don't like Edna being back. I much prefer O'Brien. I wish she was still around.

    Loved Edith but I wish they would do more with Rose. Her storyline was a complete bore this episode.

    Dowager Countess rocked as usual. Nanny West...what a psycho!

    I did the quiz and I'm Cora. I knew I would be before I did the quiz...lol! Hopefully, I'm not as naive as her but I do usually try to find the good in people.
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    Per the quiz, I'm the Dowager, which is odd, since I know what a weekend is. But I do like having the power to say whatever I want whenever I want, and wear ornate hats.
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    Thanks, Smurfy!
  35. my little pony

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    im mrs hughes which makes no sense. id have never let edna back in the house and i would never have bothered w the vaudeville partner.
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    http://www.elle.com/news/culture/lady-edith-laura-carmichael-interview

    'Downton Abbey' Star Laura Carmichael Says Lady Edith Is Misunderstood
    January 7 5:00 PM
    Jane Levere | Culture News

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  37. tamuno

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    What??? Nobody here yet? I thought this thread will be flooded with this episode by now.
  38. Really

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    Poor Anna...I wonder how that will all play out...
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    Wow. Devastated for Anna. :(
  40. IceAlisa

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    Too busy with the US Nats :drama: but I am planning to watch. :)