Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Artemis@BC, Jan 9, 2013.
i gave it more thought than my own surgery last summer
Of course you're right PDilemma. I'm not arguing against you, just rambling about what you said. This is a thread about a soap opera no? So we are allowed to ramble!
The Facebook recap for episode 6 is up!
"Thomas, Jimmy, and 8 others are attending the event Super Awkward Breakfast."
BTW, it's for both episodes from Sunday. (Which were, technically, 7 & 8, not 6 ... but whatever.)
As for Mr. Pamuk, it's sort of hysterical that since he's supposed to be Turkish, the writers have automatically given him the surname of the recent Turkish Nobel literature prize winner, Orhan Pamuk. If they had consulted any Turkish person in the world, they would have learned that there were no surnames at that time, but only patronymics. So that guy should be called Mr <first name of his father> which could never be Pamuk because that word means "cotton wool".
Again, I'm not expecting realism, but it's sort of funny. Carry on.
"Mr Bates tags Miss O'Brien in a photo"
I've been watching Are You Being Served, East Enders, As Time Goes By, even Fawlty Towers for many years. Original British programs. Now we're getting Midsomer Murders which is quite good. No butlers in any of these shows but tea is always served whether in a cafeteria or someone's kitchen. When I first began watching Are You Being Served, I met someone who was working in the States who told me that this program is modeled after a real old fashioned department store in London. Back to Downton Abbey, I'm glad they included the cricket game (not that I knew what the heck was going on even tho' I've heard it was supposed to have been the inspiration for the creation of baseball). When Tom looked at his in-laws sitting in the shade, Mary holding baby Sybil in her lap, it almost looked like a painting with the women (and the men) wearing creamy white clothes, all looking very serene.
Cracking up at the Facebook recaps - thanks for the link!
I don't you think you can follow Top Gear unless you appreciate a certain kind of British humor and have a fairly detailed interest in automobiles (IOW, if all you know about it is it's about "wrecking cars", you are not the target market, have not watched in any detail, and probably won't appreciate it. Reading the magazine would probably clarify quite a bit.) The American one is coming into its own, but definitely has more an element of "blowing up stuff." It doesn't do as much for showing cars that I cannot afford to park next to as opposed to the UK version.
I think some British shows translate, some don't. "The Office" apparently did (I don't know, I don't like either one), but I cannot see how they thought an American version of "Coupling" would fly. (And I don't know why EITHER country would produce something like "Skins", but whatever. I'm not much a market for fiction shows in either market, though, the pay-network dramas pretty much blew my standard for anything produced for general broadcast.)
That is one thing for Downton, soap or not--it would be borderline-impossible to make an "American" version without rewriting it to the point it was an entirely new show.
Yes, I was talking about that with a friend last night. We were trying to think up some even remotely comparable scenario that would work. The closest we could come was some post-slavery plantation setting ... but even that is still so far removed, what would be the point?
I just assumed that it was an Anglicized version of a name, possibly 2nd or 3rd generation. Pamuk was public-school educated and very much acclimatized to British culture -- either he or his family (or, possibly a school or immigration officer somewhere along the line) would have changed his name to make fitting in easier.
He was a diplomat on an official mission and the son of a minister. Not some immigrant whose name would have been changed by an immigration officer so he would "fit in!"
Of course the elite of the Ottoman Empire was fluent in French and English and/or German from childhood and knew about the culture of these countries, somewhat like the Russian aristocracy.
Yes. And I certainly don't understand British humor as my DVD shelf of Monty Python's Flying Circus, Keeping Up Appearances, The Office, and about 95 British comedy movies proves.
Today is apparently my day to have everyone explain to me everything I don't understand and am completely wrong about. If you really need some fun, why don't you call me up like my brother did TWICE and yell at me about how I did something very vague that doesn't make sense that is screwing up your kid.
Geesh. I'm so sorry I mentioned f*cking Top Gear. It was basically a joke about people that don't know DA is soapy. That is truly all it was.
i love bbc america but it makes me sad that it seems like they spend 23 hrs a day on top gear i really hate it. but i hate cars.
I'm bother by Thomas's promotion to underbutler, above Mr. Bates. There is no way he should have been offered a position above Bates. This is not consistent with the characters or the storyline. Thomas should really have gone with a reference - or, should have been returned to the position of first footman.
Although I can have sympathy for Thomas to a certain extent given that he's gay, his personality has nonetheless been lacking, he's been downright mean and nasty. Since he's not popular and has not earned the respect of the house, it doesn't make sense to promote him to underbutler.
Also I hate they show Star Trek- Next Generation (love the show!). That is an American made show, and most likely could be on any of the other us cable channels.
I know Patrick Stewart is in the show, but I want British made shows that I normally would not get to see.
At first, I thought it's really unfair, but then the Lord really bent over backwards for Bates, I mean, paying for the legal expenses and getting his old job back and all. So by contrast, the favor he did to Thomas was by comparison, small.
We're just making silly small talk here, that's all. I'm sorry if you had a bad day.
What the heck.. there was another hour on I turned off the TV after an hour I'm going to have to track it down again like last time.. it would be so much easier if I could just get pbs on my kitchen tv (where I live with my lap top).. the big TV is downstairs and I hardly go down there but that is the TV that has all the fancy channels and time shift stuff.. so many channels when you only grow up with 4!
I love top gear, the adventure and the competition the three of them have and I'm not even a big car fan.. I just love the banter and the youngest one is really cute
Does your PBS affiliate do repeats? The Seattle one repeats last Sunday's eps tonight at 3:00 am tonight (well, Wed. morning) and then again 7:00 pm on Sunday, right before the finale special episode.
good point, plus what is the arrangement for anna and bates to live off campus so to speak? butler and underbutler or whatever it is called probably always have to be available
I suspect the real reason is they can't make Thomas a footman again, they can't promote Bates, and they don't have any reason to write out the actor.
Any time they'd like to write out O'Brien, though...at least Thomas has SOME sympathetic qualities. O'Brien got that one tiny moment of being sympathetic to Lang (the temporary valet with shell shock) and other than that the only nice things she does are for Cora and motivated by guilt.
BBCA can stop showing TNG, and the even-less-British Battlestar Galactica, and they can quit with the 5000 hours of Doctor Who ANY TIME NOW. (Or get the BBC to let them show the classic episodes for some variety.) I do not understand some of their programming choices...
At least they've been trying to make it better. After the sad mess of the Grant Ancier era - Me and My Big Breasts, repeats of Season 2 of Dancing with the Stars (yep the American version) and the non-pickup of Doctor Who in 2005 - they really have been getting better and better.
Still have a way to go. I agree - still too much of Top Gear.
I love some aspects of BBC America. I don't understand their fascination with Gordon Ramsey. I don't hate the guy but he or "Top Gear" are on all of the time.
She redeemed herself in my eyes to a certain extent when she realized she had acted wrongly with the soap. Even though it was too late, she did think she was being sacked unfairly because they were advertising for a new maid (for Aunt Violet). And she did suffer for it, paying in her own way.
It is true that she was mean and nasty to Thomas, but he did ask for it with his continual mean slights - for example, when she said she couldn't have handled being jilted at the alter and Thomas said "good thing no one ever asked.
I thought both of them were realistic characters in terms of their resentment at being servants. Plenty would have been.
And O'Brian can be very sarcastic, even witty. She's by no means a one-dimensional character. None of the characters are, really, which is what makes them so interesting.
I don't like cars and I like the British "Top Gear." I also like "Dr. Who" and the really wierd sci fi shows they come up for Saturday nights some times. Can't stand Gordon Ramsey in any of his productions - too foul-mouthed and rude.
I'll be sad when there is no more Downton on Sunday nights. It's nice to have a show about PEOPLE instead of incidents.
This. One of those is on every time I turn to that channel. I see such good BBC shows through Netflix that I guess I really don't need BBC America. Still, I've been disappointed.
i worked in a lot of restaurants, i'm completely fascinated by the poorly run restaurants on ramsey's shows.
Yes, I too thought she was getting more attractive. Which means they were making her up to be less attractive?
I'm not remotely surprised. The only spit-and-polish places I've seen are corporate chains because the owners know they can get inspected any time for more than health violations. Single-owner things...eep. I didn't mind Kitchen Nightmares. I didn't really mind American Kitchen Nightmares. But ye gods, live Christmas cooking, Ramsey Behind Bars, how many shows can one person have?!? Ramsey is ALWAYS. ON. I can only take so many kitchen shows. (And now just to cap it, you've got Restaurant Impossible on Food, and Restaurant Stakeout, which at least usually aims at the front of house, who are generally responsible for 90% of Bad Service as opposed to Bad/Dangerous Food.)
Sadly though I don't think BBCA COULD get Downton, I think it's an ITV show. I could use more costume dramas...
in my experience, corporate chains are often quite filthy. one chain was so dirty the rats were bigger than the siamese cats i had at the time. another was so dirty, my mother made me disrobe at the back door and wash my uniform and shoes separately. it depends on the general management of that particular store. some of the small single restaurant places i have worked in have been cleaner than most peoples homes.
In this particular case - no, as it was a joint production with PBS. Same with Sherlock. However, in the past BBCA has had to buy their entertainment shows like anyone else (no preferential treatment for the BBC part). They've had shows from ITV before.
I'm not sure that ITV does a lot of costume shows. Anyone?
I'm pretty sure there was an interview with the cast and PBS at one point that stated that ITV doesn't do a lot of costume drama and ITV tends to go to things like The X Factor instead. Usually it goes to the other British networks.
^ How old does the setting for a show have to be before it gets classified as a "costume drama" I wonder. ITV did Heartbeat and The Royal, which were set in the 60s. (The longest 60s ever!)
ITV definitely tends to go towards less highbrow stuff than the BBC. It's generally home to things like The X Factor, Britain's Got Talent, Dancing on Ice and other pretty horrific weekend programming. They had a celebrity diving show with Tom Daley on which just finished and it was so awful it became a bit like car-crash tv. They do occasionally have some good dramas but they tend to be short mini-series type things or crime things like Midsommer Murders and Lewis. I've always felt that even the news on ITV is a bit dumbed down when you compare it with the BBC. Downton just seems much more along the lines of the kind of thing that the BBC would make, one of the Downton podcasts I listen to (it's called "Up Yours Downstairs" - it's hilarious if you have time to look it up on iTunes!) constantly refers to it being on the BBC; even my mother had forgotten at the start of the last season that it was an ITV programme and kept trying to find it on BBC.
ITV have tried making Mr Selfridge, a series about the start of the shop Selfridges in London. You can tell it's totally trying to jump on the back of the Downton bandwagon - it's in the same slot on a Sunday night. It just doesn't cut it though - I tried to force myself to watch it for the first few weeks but it's nowhere near in the same league as Downton is, in fact it's quite painful.
I think that is up next on Masterpiece (PBS) here in the US. I don't know for sure, but I suspect it might also be a joint production situation. I just can't get past the thought of it having Jeremy Piven in it. He's so sleazy.
Utterly hilarious interview with Rob James Collier about Thomas and a breakdancing Carson. http://www.vulture.com/2013/02/downton-abbey-rob-james-collier-interview.html
Thanks for the link. He's hilarious. Loved his comments about people who approach him on the street with their similar remarks.
LOL, this was fun.
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