Downton Abbey -- Season 3 on PBS

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  1. DCA

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    Please be careful what you say in this forum. I had been avoiding the other discussion because I want to watch the PBS broadcast fresh. Now I've got a big piece of information I wish I didn't have.
  2. Icetalavista

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    I'm constantly amazed by the Granthams' (dad and Mary) sense of entitlement. Hey, Matthew, I burned thru your mom-in-law's fortune through my own godawful stupidity and now I'm going to LET you invest in Downton. Nope, not a fan of pops and mary. I hope Edith gets happiness in some way. Am looking forward to Thomas getting his from O'Brien. I'd be happy to see him leave Downton. But every soap needs villians. :)
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    I thought it was smart to have him as an investment partner. Since Daddy was able to be so foolish with his wife's money, having a partner who has equal say in the decision making will hopefully prevent it from happening again.
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    I think, to be fair, "unlucky" might be a better description than "foolish." By today's standards it is indeed foolish to put all your eggs in one basket, but in the time context of Robert's investment he was actually diversifying his portfolio by not tying it all up in the estate. As he said, everyone thought it was a good investment. And it really is all Canada's fault. :D

    But I agree that the partnership makes good business sense. Though I predict some hefty disagreements about how to do things. :watch:

    And, as I said before, I'm hoping that since they've already gone through the big-stock-market-loss storyline ... we won't see it again come 1929. (Because of course I hope the series stays around that long!)
  6. Latte

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    I too liked Ediths dress much better than Marys.
    I am getting very sick of Matthews attitudes. First he can't marry Mary because he feels its his fault the girl died and now he is just too gulity to take the money. Oh, isn't Matthew just so so self rightious. Blah.
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  7. danceronice

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    My brother (while I'm giving him a run in the ships department, he has forgotten more about the history of the railroads than I've ever known) had to explain to me why it was a particularly unfortunate investment and while they couldn't have known it was going to be THAT bad, they probably should have known it was not going to be a piece of cake (when "the head of one of the railroads involved died on the Titanic" is the LEAST of your problems....) While Robert couldn't have KNOW how horribly wrong it was going to go, he wasn't diversifying at all, as the solicitor points out--he sank all his money in one investment and, just like usually happens when you do that even now, it imploded.

    I think the whole "you can INVEST in Downton" is a bit of face-saving on Robert's part (so he's got an investor, he isn't being bailed out) and a way to let Matthew feel he's putting his money into something, rather than giving it to his father-in-law.
  8. Icetalavista

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    But his solicitors advised him against the all-railroad investment. Not sure who the "everyone" else was, although Grantham referred to them. I'd be interested to know what % of Granthams-style estates' necessary income would come from tenant farmer rents. Any mega-Brit-estate experts out there? I agree - Matthew has a smart head on his shoulders. He should probably make ALL the decisions.
  9. Artemis@BC

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    (Cross-posting this here and in the Once Upon a Time thread)

    Interview with Lesley Nicol, aka Mrs Patmore, from CBC Vancouver radio yesterday. She's in town for filming an upcoming episode of Once upon a Time. She talks about the Downton experience and the effect its had on her and her career. She sounds like an absolutely lovely person.

    I hope the link works: I know CBC video streaming is geoblocked but I'm not sure about their radio streaming.
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    We shouldn't expect these people to act as we would now.
    These attitudes/actions were accepted; and even expected, at the time.

    That includes Matthew's "investment" in Downton, as well.
  11. danceronice

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    I would hope for most people now days feeling at the VERY least ambivalent about taking the money (especially when he thought Lavinia's father had no idea his daughter wanted to cancel the wedding) would still be an acceptable, expected reaction. And I would hope the average person now wouldn't be standing at the grave of his fiancee going "Well, I really sorta wanted to marry you anyway, and now this solves everything--you can totally dump your fiance, too, right?"
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    Probably would be best to stay away from this thread, then. It's easy to let info slip, even when you are trying to be careful. :)
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    The first post in this thread reads as follows -

    Thus, this thread is trying to be spoiler free. There is another thread about Downton if you would like to discuss everything.
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    Edith looked stunning, but she seems mor free spriit than Mary , so the dress choices for each made sense to me. I was almost crying when sir Anthony left her at the alter :( I hope they find a good solid love interest for her , or as pp mentioned make her like Jane Austin or Beatrix potter and let her be successful in life on her own ;)
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    I watched everything on itv through expat shield, but it stopped working before the xmas special. ARGH!
  16. Jenny

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    FSUers have been careful and considerate enough not to ruin countless tv shows, movies and books before, so I don't see why it can't be done here. It's a real shame that someone who either didn't bother to read the topic and opening post of this thread or who thought they were being clever has ruined it for others.
  17. danceronice

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    I can't figure out what someone was spoiled for openly, unless they completely disregarded one clearly-marked post with spoiler tags and a warning NOT to even hover over the link included. Everything NOT behind spoiler tags on this thread's already aired on PBS--if it's broadcast, it's fair game (someone opting to record and watch later should know better than to open the thread), if you don't want spoilers, don't click on spoiler tags.
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    I can't figure out what someone was spoiled for openly, unless they completely disregarded one clearly-marked post with spoiler tags and a warning NOT to even hover over the link included. Everything NOT behind spoiler tags on this thread's already aired on PBS--if it's broadcast, it's fair game (someone opting to record and watch later should know better than to open the thread), if you don't want spoilers, don't click on spoiler tags.
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    I believe the spoiler was that Dan Stevens will not be returning for Season 4.
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    Well maybe I should have just said that no matter how pretty he is, I am just getting sick of Matthew:D
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    That was behind spoiler tags complete with a warning not to even HOVER on the link. If you don't want spoilers, don't click on those. I knew THAT (in fact I know all the big events for the season, I'm not saying them) but if I hadn't wanted to know anything, I would have heeded the post warning and not clicked.
  22. nubka

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    Hey, it wasn't me... :lynch:
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    Me too. And I don't think Dan Stevens is much of an actor either, especially compared to the rest of the fine cast.
  24. vesperholly

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    Chill. It wasn't your post. It was Peaches La Tour responding to your post. WARNING: THE LINKED POST CONTAINS A SPOILER :lol:

    And I haven't bitched once about spoilers. In fact, I spoil the hell out of myself. Can't stand the tension!
  25. Artemis@BC

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    Meanwhile, back to discussing the show ... :shuffle:

    I was interested to see the scenes with Thomas's attraction to the new footman. They haven't really mentioned anything about his sexuality since season 1, other than a blink-and-you'll-miss-it reference to "it's hard being different" at the beginning of season 2. I'm glad it hasn't been in-your-face overarching storyline, but I did expect a little more. Perhaps some reluctance on the part of the writers & producers to make arguable the most dislikable character also a gay man?

    Anyway, I'm assuming that O'Brian is going to stir things here. She knows Thomas's inclinations, and now that she's harbouring a serious grudge against him I'm betting she's pushing him toward Jimmy/James to get him fired. :watch:

    (BTW, the housemaids' reaction to Jimmy was hilarious.)

    Meanwhile ... yay for Edith! :cheer: And yay for Laura Carmichael, she continues to play her part to perfection. How she manages to look so surprised every time someone recognizes her achievements.

    As for the Branson storyline ... well we all called that one. It will be very interesting to see the battle of loyalties play out there.

    And as for Matthew, I agree that Dan Stevens is hardly the strongest actor of the bunch, but I don't hate the character and I think he's generally written as one of the most consistent. And it's the most logical thing in the world that a. Downton is run more for the sake of "tradition" than efficiency, b. Matthew would want to change that, and c. both Robert and Mary would be dismissive of even the need to talk about it. I absolutely loved his scene with the Dowager on the matter -- and I agreed with her conclusions!
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    Just to bring this thread back up, and because it doesn't contain any spoilers for those who are only now watching season 3, have any of you seen this spoofy "Downton Abbey video game"? :lol: about Mathew's ... problem with "unreliability." :yikes: :rollin:
  27. Latte

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    That game is pretty fun.
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    I would totally play that.. :shuffle::slinkaway
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    Sorry for the double post but:

    WHAT THE HELL, JULIAN FELLOWES?!?!?!
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    I know, I wasn't spoiled at all, so I was totally shocked.... Time for multiple tissues!
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    Yeah, I totally want that for real now.

    And...way to, Dr. Malpractice. Dr. Clarkson is now entitled to infinite "I told you so" usage for pretty much EVER. (The guy does not get to be right often, heck of a time for it.)
  32. nubka

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    I knew it was going to happen, but it was still awful to watch. Poor Sybil. :( :(
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    I thought that the scene where the Dowager walked into the room when she arrived (filmed from behind) was a bit of magnificent acting from Maggie Smith. Her grief showed through even though you couldn't see her face. She walked as though she had aged 10 years overnight. Also the scene with Thomas and Anna crying was very moving.

    And even though I knew it was coming, I cried.
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    :wideeyes::wuzrobbed
    I am just floored. That came from nowhere.
  35. IceAlisa

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    Maggie Smith is amazing.
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    I saw this on ITV Player back in the fall. Absolutely heartbreaking, and yes Maggie Smith was brilliant conveying her grief.

    Too bad yelling "magnesium sulfate" did nothing. :(
  37. Artemis@BC

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    Well, that was a 3-hankie episode. :(

    I somehow knew things were going to go bad for Sybil as soon as I saw they'd hired "Ronald Merrick" as her doctor. :mad:

    Poor Doctor Clarkson, of all the times for him to be right!

    I really hope the Cora-blaming-Robert business doesn't drag out too long. Understandable though, many marriages don't survive the loss of a child.

    And ITA about Dame Maggie. As much as I love her witty one-liners, her grief-stricken scene was beyond compare.
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    I agree, Dame Maggie was brilliant. I thought she was going to collapse on the spot and expire. My reaction was, oh no, not yet! We need you in the series for as long as possible! A lot of misery tonight. I hope somebody gets happier next week.
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    Poor Lady Sybil. :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed I wasn't spoiled beforehand, so it hit me like a ton of bricks -- although I was uneasy with the foreshadowing in her conversation with Mary, I really didn't want to believe it would lead where it did. Maggie Smith was absolutely brilliant in her grief. Sir Robert and his pig-headed, titled Harley Street obstetrician. :lynch:
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    Of course it had to be the most angelic of the sisters: When they sided with Dr. Arrogant I knew she was in deep trouble but I didn't know if JF would write her out. Brave but sad choice...