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Downton Abbey -- Season 3 on PBS

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Artemis@BC, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. jlai

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    It gets boring if they keep "killing off" actors who don't want to return

    eta: On another note, Mrs. Crawley doesn't act like anxious at all the entire episode. I know she used to be a nurse, but can one play a level-headed nurse all the time?
     
  2. PRlady

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    Well, looks like Baby Crawley will be of age just in time for World War II.
     
  3. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    I don't like the sound of that.
     
  4. kittyjake5

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  5. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    Wish he'd done that with all the actors who wanted to leave. They could all just go have a nice long stay at the seaside. :)

    (Like wishing someone into the cornfield, only in a good way!)
     
  6. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    Yeah, that was gnarly. I was SO glad I was spoiled and braced myself when I watched it, otherwise :wuzrobbed and :fragile:
     
  7. centerstage01

    centerstage01 Well-Known Member

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    Oh for crap's sake! :mad: I was spoiled about this weeks ago but still....

    At this point, Edith has either dodged a bullet or is looking like a genius. Because apparently Crawley grandchildren can't have two parents.
     
  8. algonquin

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    For some reason, I feel the most for Mrs Crawley and wonder if Anna will take the blame for the accident somehow. She did order the car after all.
     
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  9. AYS

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    Fellowes provides the rationale for Matthew's death in quotes in this article. I think it would have been a lot easier to write Lady Sybil out without killing her off, but I guess they already had grand plans for the Tom character.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...-option-but-to-kill-off-Downtons-Matthew.html
    Mr AYS and I just joined the DA bandwagon about a week and a half ago - we watched every night to catch up and be able to watch the final episode when it actually aired, and now I'm kind of unhappy I did, because Matthew became one of my favorite characters. :( Too bad he wasn't willing to even commit to limited episodes. I accidentally found out this happens a few days ago (if the Matthew Crawley Wiki page comes up in a related Google search, you actually see the dates of his life as 1890-1921 without even opening the link) - and it was still hard to watch.

    Something like this actually occurred to me, but what I think is likely to happen along those lines is that she'll blame herself, others won't.
     
  10. Yehudi

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    It's easier to write off the DC than Sybil or Matthew. Sybil and Matthew are part of a couple and it would be difficult to write them off without figuring out what to do with the actors who play their respective spouses, who I doubt want to be written off the show as well. I mean, sure, it could have been written that Matthew had to help Shrimpy in Bombay on some emergency but it would be more difficult for Matthew just to not be around for long periods of time than it would be for Cranmer to be in Cantebury (even though he played an integral role in Kitty Howard's downfall).
     
  11. kittyjake5

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    Thanks for the article but to me it is poppycock. Fellows IMO could have easily replaced Stevens. Matthew's part could have simply
    been re-casted.
     
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  12. algonquin

    algonquin Well-Known Member

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    Do they do that on British shows?
     
  13. *Jen*

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    Imagine how it was for us British viewers who were totally unspoiled yet had to deal with this in an alleged 'Christmas special' on Christmas night!!! The whole thing left a sour taste in my mouth. It had nothing to do with Christmas, nothing about the episode was special, and if they had to do it they should have waited for a day other than freakin Christmas! :rolleyes:

    They should have ended the series rather than killed him off. It's just been going downhill anyway...
     
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  14. my little pony

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    yes, being single and childless w a little job should be looking pretty good to her right now
     
  15. AYS

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    You have my sympathy, I can definitely see how it would put a damper on the day for folks. I was definitely bummed out by it. It seems as though the producers/writers may have misjudged the emotional attachment people had for the series and the characters and the impact it would have - to air it on Christmas. Or they are simply :EVILLE:
     
  16. *Jen*

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    I think it's really tainted my whole view of the series. I'm so bitter about it! After the uplifting 'Call the Midwife' special, I wasn't expecting that ending :drama: It would have bummed me out any time, but on Christmas...pure evil :fragile:
     
  17. danceronice

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    No one does that any more except on genuine cheap soaps (ie whatever's left of the American ones where they're still filming on VHS and pretending viewers care--guys, when shows that have been running since radio days are getting cancelled, the writing is on the wall, your daytime genre is dead.) People just don't buy the "My, you don't look ANY DIFFERENT AT ALL" stuff any more.

    And I could see, if they'd been okay with putting Branson on as a guest only, they could have written Sybil out more easily without killing her (they just live in Ireland) but Matthew it would get kind of old with "Matthew just went upstairs" or "Matthew's been posted to India", though I suppose that could have worked, sorta, kinda, but it wouldn't have been very believable he'd take off and leave Mary and the baby (anyone taking bets it's going to be Baby Matthew?)

    Who'd have thought Edith would have the most potentially happy storyline when she's essentially in a modern Jane Eyre? Of course, we've also got Rose coming now (with her mother hopefully staying far far FAR away in India, what an unpleasant person.)

    And of course: Mosley is the Butt Monkey. He CANNOT win. Ever.

    They continue to amaze me with how I can go hot and cold on Thomas. On the one hand, dumb move. On the other...well played, Fellowes, selfless heroism. And I can believe Thomas would be that nuts. Also loved the bonding with Carson, Mrs. Hughes, and Mrs. Patmore.

    New maid: Buh-bye now, buh-bye. Nice knowing you. (Not really.) What a pushy....word I probably can't use here. Ethel was just a bit dim and impulsive and blundered into her problems, she's practically stalking Branson. Who's clearly still rather shell-shocked, silly as that is a year on (I completely believe he's still grieving Sybil and does not want to love again, I just find his social awkwardness and discomfort in his family role more awkward than it should be. Not marrying again or being ready to move on? Believable. But his discomfort with his new job and relationships would make more sense if this had been "six weeks later", not one year later.)

    Speaking of implausible ages, considering Isis was a full-grown dog in the first episode (April 1912), meaning at LEAST 9-10 months old and probably older, isn't she getting up there for a Lab? (I know they've actually used a couple different doggy actors, but come on.) Large/meds usually are considered "senior" at eight or so and elderly at 11-12.
     
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia Club comp. season is here!

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    Well, I wasn't spoiled, hence the :fragile: and :wuzrobbed in my post last night.

    "Entertainment Weekly spoke to Downton exec Gareth Neame to find out why Matthew had to be killed off, how Mary will move on, and where the series goes from here." http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/02/17/downton-abbey-matthew-death/

    LA Times' review: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ics-notebook-downton-20130218,0,1918708.story

    Interview with actor Dan Stevens last summer: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...an-stevens-interview-20130128,0,3826712.story
     
  19. Wyliefan

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    Maybe this dog is Isis, Jr.!
     
  20. my little pony

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    please do not comment on the dog's age, look how that worked out on revenge. i just can't do it again.

    i wonder if david caruso watched last night's show and screamed, "noooooooooooooooo."
     
  21. Bostonfan

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    I was fine with them killing off Matthew. While it would have been fine to recast, it can be jarring to do such a transition (I despised "new Becky" in Roseanne). Recasting Sybil IMO would have been easier.

    Mrs. Hughes was all kinds of awesome as usual. Loved seeing Carson with the baby! Loved his "I'm not old!"

    It's a credit to the world they've created that I was holding my breath when Jimmy sat in the chair and put his feet up. It was a perfectly shocking moment that in any other context would not rate a mention. Personally if I were a housemaid, I'd have a hard time not taking a little snooze on one of the large beds.

    Very little Daisy in this episode - except to show that the passage of time has brought her and Ivy together.

    Tom Branson - dog walker :) Isis is looking like she's gained a few pounds. But with grounds so vast, all you really have to do is throw a stick and let her run after it. Great canine workout.
     
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  22. vesperholly

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    Dan Stevens made the decision to leave in February last year, before they even started filming season 3. It's not like he sprung it on them between filming the last two episodes. They could've had him go off to Canada in search of the money sunk into the railroad or write in something more plausible. I bet after a while, they could've persuaded Stevens to return for one guest star episode.

    Just ridiculous. And cheap.
     
  23. skatingfan5

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    The "off in the wilds of Canada -- or posted to India -- don't really strike me as being more "plausible." :shuffle: From the way he sounded in the interview from last summer, I don't think they could have persuaded Stevens to make any guest appearances. Although, now that his play on Broadway has closed, as of last week, I wonder if he has any regrets about his decision to leave the show. I suppose time will tell. He should have a bit more time to pursue his writing aspirations. :slinkaway
     
  24. Artemis@BC

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    I was glad to see that. Aside from the fact that Daisy needs a friend closer to her own age, she's much more attractive when she isn't sulky & surly. (But then, aren't we all!)

    Forgot to say this in relation to last week, though -- when Ethel left Isobel's employ, did anyone else think it would make sense for Daisy to become Isobel's new cook? She's been in training under Mrs Patmore for a long time, it would have been a good way for her to move up in her career but still stay in the show.
     
  25. Latte

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    That's a good idea.
     
  26. PRlady

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    Did anyone else feel sorry for Dr. Clarkson?

    I think Isabel is about the most sexless woman on TV, but obviously he disagreed. :D
     
  27. AYS

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    Daisy is like a fine wine, improving with age.
     
  28. Artemis@BC

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    Yes. Not just about his failed courtship attempt, but about almost everything they've done with his character over the course of the show. Country doctors just can't get any respect!

    No sex please, we're English.

    Tho maybe that's the problem, as Clarkson is Scottish ... :D
     
  29. my little pony

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    that stalkery maid should have stalked dr clarkson

    i'm glad isabel said no. poor dr clarkson may be lonely but i assume he isnt irritated in his own home.
     
  30. vesperholly

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    It's not plausible to me either, but that's why the writers are paid the big bucks ;) surely they could've come up with something, ANYTHING other than killing him off.