"Don't Touch My Junk!"

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by soxxy, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. soxxy

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    I'd expect Mr. Tyner's line to launch a thousand interviews, but he probably can't fly to any of them.

    http://www.xomba.com/dont_touch_my_junk_john_tyner_tells_tsa_agent_video

    Here's hoping that this line won't become a rallying cry at airports....I suspect it will cause more trouble than it's worth. Myself, I'd go through the X-ray machine for now.

    Some youtube vids of the incident have been taken down, but this one is still up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7txGwoITSj4&feature=player_embedded
  2. Jenna

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    Some of the comments on that youtube video are just downright :eek: :rolleyes: :lol: :huh: :(
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  4. AliasJohnDoe

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    Flying is a privilege. Not a right.

    I wouldn't want him on the plane if he wasn't scanned or searched like everyone else.
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    From the FSU title I thought this was going to be a story about "Hoarders" :lol:
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    Wow, what an annoying idiot. If I had to deal with people like this on a daily basis, I would flip out really quick.
  7. Garden Kitty

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    Did they explain who was recording this? Did he set his phone to record before he even went through the security?
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    I saw this jerk and I'm glad they wouldn't let him on the plane. I did agree with one of the male passenger they interviewed who went through the full-body screening and said "Heck, if somebody gets turned on looking at this old body, good for them! Have a nice day!" :)
  9. snoopy

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    They said on the news that Tyner recorded it on his phone. Not sure when he turned it on.

    When I first heard the headline, I thought he meant junk like in his suitcase. But no, he meant his own junk. :lol:
  10. Garden Kitty

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    The fact he seemed to be recording it before anything was happening made me wonder if he was trying to make an issue out of this either to make his point or look for his 5 minutes of fame.
  11. soxxy

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    ^exactly
  12. Beefcake

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    :blah: Azzhole attempting to promote himself to reality TV famewhore.

    Touch my junk all you want (though I'd not recommend lingering), if that's what it takes for me to not die in a fireball in the sky.

    As for those who (unlike this guy) are TRULY protesting/yelling :mitchell: about the invasion of privacy blah blah blah ... maybe we can have flights for those who want to not die in a sky terror episode, and those who want to whine about having their boxers, turbans, shoes, or what-not searched.

    Let 'em retain 100% of their precious rights - that were written before flying and techno terrorism was imaginable - and with that let them live (or die) with the heightened chance of being a terror victim. Meanwhile, my scanned and/or felt up friends and I will enjoy our safer rides.
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  13. milanessa

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    These replies sadden me. Are you all really that ready to submit to OTT government intrusion in exchange for the illusion of "safe" flying?
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  14. Rock2

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    Well, I think your reply needs a reality check. If you think there is any hope of improving safety for people without intruding on their privacy in various ways you're sadly mistaken. People want to be safe but they want to be left alone all under the guise of 'freedom' and 'privacy'. It's a nice thought, but not really possible.

    I appreciate you might be uncomfortable with the idea of someone touching your private parts. I am, too, to a degree.

    The only way to make things perfectly safe is to basically follow everyone around and track their every move...and check them thoroughly at various times. Not practical. Too expensive. Public wouldn't stand for it. Got it. There's not even enough money or time to check all checked baggage. So, we're limited in what we can do.

    But there are attempts that compromise a little bit of privacy for the sake of improved safety. Because of what I just said, no, skies would never be 100% safe. But, we can improve safety by being super diligent about checking people and their possessions as best we can prior to the plane taking off. That's the big picture people should be buying in to. Correlating a groin pat to safe skies is a very narrow and impractical perspective on what's happening here. I think more people might get on board with the current solution by dialing into the bigger strategy as the government is doing what it thinks is best with the resources it has for the sake of what will never be 'safe' flying -- but certainly safer.
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  15. susan6

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    On the one hand it is unfortunate that we have to go through this intrusion....I've always liked that saying by Ben Franklin that goes something like "those who would give up essential liberties for security deserve neither". There must be a better way, some technology out there that would permit screening without such invasion of personal space.

    However, taking it out on the poor TSA agent is ridiculous. Does Mr. "Don't touch my junk" really think that the TSA agents get some sort of thrill from feeling up strangers? It's their job. And it's a sucky job. They have to put their hands on hundreds of strangers a day. And I'm sure they're very much aware that they're invading peoples personal space and angering or humiliating them. You'd have to be quite the sociopath to enjoy a job that involves that. So, sorry Mr. "Don't touch my junk", but it's not always about you. Or your junk. Get over yourself.

    (Of course, it will probably be a bit more difficult for me to feel sorry for the TSA agents if I'm the one getting patted down the next time I fly.)
  16. zaphyre14

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    Yes.

    Besides, if you don/t want to be patted down, then just walk through the scanner. Or don't fly.
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  19. fluorescein

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    Even walking thru the scanner doesn't mean you won't get your "junk" touched as well. Read Dave Barry's column linked above.

    I'm with milanessa. The TSA charade is intended to create an illusion - and obviously it works.
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  20. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    So when the next terrorist attempt involves a tampon like device all of you people are ready to lay back on a table, spread them and let some stranger off the street stick their fingers up you??

    As for TSA agents, they need better training. Flown enough to know that the odd palms down body rub I get from the odd TSA agent is not the same I get in other places where they use the side of their hand.

    Also just saw a bit on TV about some child (looked to be about 6) screaming and yelling for the TSA agent to stop touching her. The video showed this agent wrapping both hands around the legs etc. gliding up and down. I fly with my kids and one of them is 12. In EVERY instance that she gets picked for a random search they swab her hands because they are NOT allowed to pat down children 12 and under. If that's not the same policy of the TSA then people should be objecting and asking questions. Keep accepting whatever they throw at you and you´ll be having rectal and vaginal exams at the airports.
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  21. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    Yes. My husband went through the scanner and got a pat down afterwards because he had a mint in a foil wrapper in his chest pocket.
  22. susan6

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    I'm betting the terrorists have moved on to the drug mule trick....swallow condoms full of explosives, and head to the toilet on the plane. Of course, the initiator will still be tricky.

    I think we need to harness some of nature's superpowers. There's got to be a bug or animal of some sort that can be trained to sniff out explosives even better than a dog....

    http://www.cracked.com/article_18837_7-superpowered-animal-senses-you-wont-believe-are-possible.html
  23. kedrin

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    yes please, I'd like that flight.

    you know, I generally enjoy your posts, but you've really touched a nerve here. god knows I'm no tea-partyist, and I'm not even particularly modest, but I'm horrified as a law-abiding citizen that my government believes it has the right to undress me while I go about my lawful business.

    sure, I want safety, but 100% safety is not possible. life is risky. get over it. I'm not willing to trade that much dignity for the illusion of safety. beacuse these machines don't make us safer, not when the money spent on them- (I've heard diffferent figures- but generally between $150,000 and $200,000, or ten times what a metal detector costs (oh, and by the way, Chertoff, who made to the decision to use them, invested heavily in the company that makes the machines. was he thinking safety, or ka-ching?)- the money spent on them could be better spent on screening cargo- most of which is not scanned before loaded onto a plane).

    yes, bad people want to kill me for the crime of having been born American. and guess what? even if we start randomly pulling peple aside for cavity searches, and one of them will almost certainly succeed in blowing up a plane. and yet I'm more frightened of you, because you see nothing wrong with trading in my right to not be sexually assaulted so that you can pretend that you are safe.

    oh, and by the way, there's no opt-out for children. so either your kid will be photographed naked (and doused with radiation in the process), or molested by a stranger. we may disagree on whether that's acceptable for an adult, but if you think it's ok to put a kid through this so, again, you can pretend that you're safe, you're sick.

    one of the more interesting arguments I ever heard against torture was about what it does to the torturer. the problems were: some became terribly distraught by what their 'job' entailed. and some got to like it.

    if you're that frightened by the thought of terrorism, don't fly. also, don't ever leave your house. they could be anywhere.
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  24. Gypsy

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    Not too sure how I feel about the new body scanners, but for me it is a non-issue. I have an artificial heart valve and a pace maker, so I have no choice in the matter. It is a pat down for me whether I like it or not if I want to fly.
  25. AliasJohnDoe

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    If you're that frightened by the thought of "having your junk checked/touched", don't fly. Also, don't ever leave your house. Junk touchers could be anywhere.

    Again, flying is a priviledge. Not a right. Noone has to fly.
  26. kedrin

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    wrong. travel is a right. and I can't swim to Cambodia.
  27. marbri

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    Flying is a form of transportation, not a privilege.

    Or did you mean flying is becoming a privilege to those who don't mind a little groping and a loss of dignity?
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    Who said anything about "travel being a right"? We were talking about flying. You have the right to travel anywhere you want. There are boats, trains, buses, taxis, cars, horses, mules....and legs.

    Noone has to fly anywhere if they don't want to be searched.

    Everyone has the priviledge to drive a car. But noone has the right to drive a car drunk. Innocent people get killed.
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  29. zippy

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    :rolleyes: Some perv on the street is not the same as government-mandated junk touching. And yes, in this day and age flying is absolutely a necessity for many people, whether for work, to be with our family, to receive medical treatment, or whatever. I'm really shocked at the number of people who blithely accept this as something that improves our safety. I'm no terrorist and I can sit here for a minute or two and come up with about 30 different ways to get around those scanners. But now that we've made Grandma bend over and take one for the team, I guess we can all relax!
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  30. PrincessLeppard

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    Have any of you actually seen the images from the scanners? Because no one is being "photographed naked."

    I don't enjoy being groped at the airport, either, so I use the scanner.

    And I get that some people who use the scanner also get checked by hand. That also happened with the metal detector.

    So some of you who don't want to use the scanner, but don't want the body search, what do you propose? Go back to the metal detectors? (I would be fine with this.) But it seems as if some of you think we should have minimal checking to get on flights. I don't agree with that. As for the "a terrorist is going to get on eventually," I agree. But I would like to make it a bit difficult for them.

    The next one might not be as incompetent as the Shoe and Underwear bombers.
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    Actually, "unclothed images" don't concern me much at all. I worry more about possible health risks from the scanners -- even if there are only very small doses of ionizing radiation, for frequent flyers, the cumulative dosage could add up to something that might cause problems (especially those who have specific susceptibilities). From CNN:
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    I have a solution. Mandate that all TSA screeners have a degree in proctology/gynecology. Problem solved. Degrees paid for at taxpayers expense.
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    Yes, I've seen them, and they look pretty naked to me. Sure it's fuzzy, but you can see every contour of the body. I'm not a prude or anything, but they are naked enough that it feels very much like an invasion of privacy to me. Also, whatever the fuzziness of the picture I find the whole experience of the scanner very undignified - having to stand there in front of uniformed guards and a slew of random people, with my legs spread apart and my arms in the air like some sort of convict so that a stranger can examine my a** crack takes away my dignity. I was actually shaking with anger at how I was treated when I encountered one of these scanners at the tail end of 30 hours of flying back to the US.

    If you agree this kind of security isn't likely to keep terrorists at bay, is this treatment of people worth it to "make it a little bit difficult" for terrorists? If they've gotten past all the intelligence, the CIA, etc., the TSA guys are going to be the ones to catch them? My sister is a forgetful packer and routinely gets boxcutters and very sharp fiskar scissors through security. You could probably do a lot of damage with a filed/sharpened credit card. By the time a terrorist arrives at airport security they'll know exactly how to get past it and in my opinion they're probably attracted to the challenge - otherwise why not target crowded events, ferries, trains, etc. that have little to no security?

    Yes, I much preferred that level of security, dubious though I am that either form of security measure really stops much. At least you can't just walk on with a gun and blow people away. But I draw the line at being effectively strip searched.
  34. kedrin

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    yes, I have:

    http://www.tsa.gov/blog/uploaded_images/TSA-Release-Images-2-050808-726403.jpg

    cnn felt the need to blur out the groin area in its stories on the issue. I will never willingly consent to have one of these images made of me. your mileage may vary.

    they still use metal detectors. and I'm fine with that.

    neither do I. just to be clear, I want security. I just want smart security. I'm not advocating that we get rid of metal detectors. I don't believe the strip-search machine provides enough of a security upgrade to metal detectors to justify their use, or the expense.

    yes. what is the best way to go about this?
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    some slightly good news, now they're saying that children under 12 will not have to submit to the pat-down. of course, children over the age of 12 are still screwed. oh, and of course, now the terrorists will just strap the bomb onto a child. :rolleyes:
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    I must agree with the folks that say if you don't want to play the TSA game, find another way to travel. It is not my right to fly or to tell the airlines how to run their airline or how much to charge etc...It's the same with this damn toll booth I pay every day. I don't have to pay it; I can find another way to work. It's just faster and more convenient.

    I hated flying after the whole 'take off your flip flops off and step forward' routine...and you can only have one plastic baggie or some such nonsense but if I have to fly I need to play by their rules (as silly as I may think they are) or transport myself another way.

    I hope this douche enjoys his 15 minutes.
  37. soxxy

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    Funny, the story has been covered thoroughly today, but I haven't seen him. Maybe he's not doing interviews.
  38. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    I don't think he was looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
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    I don't think anyone said they'd be ok with that. Patdowns are not a gateway to TSA agents giving you rectal exams and handy-j's. They are not going to implement something that would cause mass hysteria like that, and that is just gross. If you are talented enough to get that weapon in that way, then props to you, and go on the plane with your bad self. But don't come crying to me when the weapon detonates inside you and literally tears you a new one...:D
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    I think he was looking for his 15 mins of fame. I believe he had an agenda before he even went to the airport. Oh, and he just happened to tape the whole thing from the start. Then he illegally left the airport terminal(which he may also be slapped with an $11k fine), and ran home and posted it on youtube to prove his agenda.

    And yes he has done interviews. From what I saw, I don't think any TSA agent would get a thrill touching his junk. Really creepy looking/talking guy.