Dollhouse (threads merged)

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  1. LordCirque

    LordCirque New Member

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    Rossum is the head of the DC Dollhouse that Bennett is the "Topher" for correct?
     
  2. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I believe Rossum is the corporation in charge of all the dollhouses
     
  3. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    is anyone still watching? Last week's 2 episodes made my head spin - I missed the first 30 seconds of the first episode and it took most of the episode to figure out what was going on. The 2nd ep was kind of a mess.

    But tonight! Both of these episodes were amazing!! Loved Victor's ep, and once again Enver Gjokai gets the chance to showcase his stellar acting and accent skills. The Attic ep was just creeeeepy. Loved Adele turning into a slushy mess, and the twist at the end. And it was a real joy to see Reed Diamond back again - very satisfying to have those in the Attic able to connect, and in his character to stay to help those who are left.

    3 weeks before the final 3 eps - I can't wait!
     
  4. Evilynn

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    *raises hand*

    Enver Gjokaj is a fantastic actor! I'm currently preoccupied trying to figure out who Clyde 2.0 is. I suppose the obvious suspects are Topher, Ivy or Bennett?
     
  5. mpal2

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    Me! But I got home late last night and I'll need to watch the episodes on Hulu.
     
  6. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    That's what I was thinking too. Of course, while Adele was in her drinky crow mode I was considering that she was the one (they were hinting so heavily it could be a woman), but I don't think that now.

    I really hope Enver Gjokaj is able to get lots of work from his experience on this show. Dollhouse has been an amazing showcase for his range.
     
  7. Garden Kitty

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    I last night's Dollhouse tivo'd but haven't been able to watch it yet.
     
  8. Evilynn

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    I still wonder if Adele hasn't been a doll at some point. There's been allusions to it, although I suppose it could just be a red herring too.

    Joss Whedon tends to reuse actors, so I'm sure Gjokaj will get an opportunity to be in something else Whedonesque in the future. Meanwhile he's in the movie "Stone" with DeNiro, Edward Norton and Milla Jovovich.
     
  9. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Wryest moment of the night (2nd episode, near the end):

    :lol: :40beers:

    Hottest moment of the night: Anytime Enver Gjokaj (Anton/Victor) appears on screen shirtless. :swoon: But a continuity glitch...at the beginning of the first episode, Victor is (shirtlessly) fighting his army buddies and then taken out to a vehicle for transport. Next time we see him, he's in the vehicle with a T-shirt on. Well, the dude can ROCK a t-shirt, but it was funny to think his buddies threw a (teensy) t-shirt on him so he wouldn't catch cold! :D

    I was thinking that the character of Adelle DeWitt was all over the place, but the ending of episode two brought it all together. Was she acting drunk on purpose, to make the powers that be think she was losing it and therefore not an adversary of any concern?

    I can't decide who the better actor is...Enver Gjokaj as Anton/Victor or Olivia Williams as Adelle DeWitt. I'm giving the edge to Enver, but only because he gets to play different roles and the writing of DeWitt's character has some consistency flaws IMHO. But I think these two do some of the best acting on ALL of TV at this time.

    I thought the opening scene of this episode was really freaky. Sad to think we only get three more episodes!

    So Clyde 2.0 would have been imprinted onto a younger person? So we don't have to look at characters who are the same age as Clyde? I had to go google Ivy and Bennett... In case others are like me, Ivy is Topher's current (Chinese?) assistant and Bennett is played by Summer Glau who has the same job that Topher does in the (Washington, DC?) dollhouse.

    While we're talking Ivy, is it just me, or did she seem to come out of nowhere? And I alone in thinking she's a doll?
     
  10. CarolineL

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    Topher tried out his doll deactivier on Bennett, and she did not react, so she is not a doll (and by that token, nor is he). I think it is probably Alpha
     
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  11. Evilynn

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    I interpreted the scene where she uses the dolls' shower as the moment where she "cleansed" herself of Rossum and made up her mind.

    I thought Clyde said the imprint had probably moved bodies?

    She's been around since s1, but not in every episode.

    If it was Topher he could've easily modified his deactiver (or his own active structure) to not blank himself. One could also argue that Clyde 2.0 would know the likely scenarios and would've made himself immune. Ivy seems a little too obvious.

    Do you mean one of the imprints Alpha stole would be Clyde 2.0, or that he'd be the one imprinted with Clyde 2.0 while in the Dollhouse? I doubt they'd let Clyde 2.0 do normal doll assignments (which Alpha did until he got away), and Clyde 2.0 is supposed to be Clyde without the questioning orders part, and Alpha in his current stage doesn't seem too prone to follow orders to me. ;)
     
  12. mpal2

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    Um, I didn't expect those 2 episodes. :)

    I am hoping that Adele is Clyde 2.0 and had learned to stop following orders but IIRC Topher used his deactivator around her. So maybe not.
     
  13. Ajax

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    I LOVED the ending of the last episode. It makes me smile that Joss is finally telling the story he didn't get a chance to finish properly in the last season of Angel: The Heroes take down the evil corporation from the inside :) I also like the metaphor that the evil corporation is powered by the brains of workers who cannot escape.
     
  14. lurvylurker

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    :eek: So BOYD is the bad guy?? My my my, so MUCH to take in during these eps!!
     
  15. PeterG

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    That was going to be my entire post last night! :lol:

    I'm not sure about this. Boyd's body is housing the bad guy, right (Rossum)? Boyd existed at some point, but his "being" is stored somewhere like Caroline's?

    This was a great episode. :( to think there are only two more shows left. Can't see how they can wrap everything up with just two more episodes, though. Or will there be an opening left for a big screen movie as there was for Firefly? :cheer2:

    Olivia Williams (as Adelle) was great as always. I think she definitely deserves a best supporting actress Emmy nomination!
     
  16. lurvylurker

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    I think you're right Peter G, Boyd isn't necessarily the bad guy at all. In fact, now that I've had some time to "digest" the ep, I wonder if maybe he really is someone who has been working with Caroline all along to bring down the dollhouse - their meeting in Clyde's office may have even have been staged, perhaps so she could gain entry to the inner sanctum. it would explain why he was so sincerely protective of her all along. I suspect Caroline was in fact some sort of "secret agent" before becoming a doll - she just had too much knowledge, skills and resources to stalk/set up Bennett and blow up the Rossum building alone. It will be VERY interesting to see what her first words are when she sees Boyd!

    Am so glad the network is allowing the writers to wrap up the story rather than just chopping the series off partway through...at least we the viewers get some resolution, and we can see how good the series concept was! and both hubby and I would DEFINITELY go see a theatrical movie if one came out!
     
  17. genevieve

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    I thought it was another really great episode on Friday. Was a bit :fragile: about Boyd being the Rossum host, just because I lurve the role he's had in the show to date - but gotta say, the way they put it together made me a believer.

    I hope the S2 dvd is packed with extras... I didn't buy the S1 one yet, I'm hoping they release an entire series set, since it's not that many episodes.
     
  18. Evilynn

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    I so did not see the Boyd-thing coming! :eek: I'm not sure if he'd still be the same guy though, whatwith the body hopping. I also didn't expect Dr Saunders to off Bennett.
     
  19. PeterG

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    Am I the only one hoping Bennett is still alive somehow? Bullets through the head aren't always lethal, right? :(
     
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  20. colinmom71

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    So, am I the only one getting a previous and close relationship vibe between Caroline/Echo and DeWitt? DeWitt's commentary was getting rather personal and familiar with Echo/Caroline in the last two episodes... Caroline is her PITA daughter maybe? It would explain Caroline's obsession with Rossum...

    I started to see the Boyd think coming a while ago, but I didn't see him as 2nd in command to Clyde! And Whiskey/Saunders offing Bennett was perfectly :eek: ! But yeah, the last few episodes have really gotten intense and deft at wrapping up all the connections and loose ends. Sad to see the show go, but I definitely am looking forward to these last two episodes...
     
  21. Wyliefan

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    There've been moments when I've been convinced that EVERYONE is a doll. I still wouldn't be surprised to see it end that way.
     
  22. agalisgv

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    So anyone watch the last episodes?
     
  23. PeterG

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    I recorded them, will watch them later today, maybe. Have been watching this thread to get everybody else's impressions. Did you all bail on the FINAL TWO EPISODES??????????????????????
     
  24. genevieve

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    I just watched them last night on Hulu. You can definitely see that Whedon & Co had to wrap things up pretty hastily. Hollow Men was kind of a mess - Boyd is evil...no he loves them all and wants to save the world...no he's really evil...no matter, Echo is the Saviour(tm) and will solve everything...ps don't worry how Priya and Victor (sorry he's so much more of a Victor than an Anthony/Tony) knew just where to find Echo the second they got in the building when they'd been cut off from the rest of them, isn't it enough you got to see Enver Gjokaj assume another character's identity again? But the acting from everyone was really great. And Epitaph 2 was awesome! I still haven't seen Epitaph 1, but I found myself really wishing the show had either gone on, or that Whedon had made the show mostly about that timeframe, because that world was incredibly rich and fascinating.

    I'm hoping they'll put out a super duper dvd package of the whole series with a bunch of extras. I would looooove if they could put together a film in the way Firefly became Serenity - the film didn't exactly follow the series in the most linear way and managed to tell a complete story about a world that had been created for tv.
     
  25. agalisgv

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    Epitaph 2 reminded me a little of I Am Legend.

    Can someone explain again why some decided to stay down in the Dollhouse? And also wasn't the blast only for LA? Or did that actually hit the stratosphere? It didn't look like it at the time, but then it didn't make sense how they would deal with all the other dolls otherwise.

    I kinda got the Boyd thing--he saw himself as part of the gang and wanted to talk them all into joining forces with him. But they didn't, so he tried to off them.

    I agree with gen that the last episode would have been great if it could have been more developed into multiple episodes--lots of provocative stuff there.

    I'm sad to see it end :(.
     
  26. Ajax

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    The way the blast was supposed to work is that it would cause all-imprinted people (incl dolls) to revert back to their original personalities AND lose all their memories of the time after their first imprint - meaning Echo would revert back to pre-Dollhouse Caroline, Sierra would revert back to pre-Dollhouse Priya etc. Echo, Priya and Tony did not want to lose their memories so they stayed underground in order to avoid the blast, which was meant as a worldwide blast.

    I really liked the last 4-5 episodes. Obviously there are plenty of things that are left unexplained/underdeveloped (how the hell did Alpha turn into a good guy??) but they did the best they could with the small time and budget that they had. There were plenty of classic Whedon moments and above all, excellent characters portrayed by excellent actors.

    I'm just sad that they effed up in the beginning of both season 1 and season 2 by starting each season with 4-5 bad engagement of the week episodes that made little sense and did not tie in well to the mytharc. I think if the first few season 2 episodes had been half as intense as anything we got in the last half of the season, the ratings would not have dropped and the show might not have been cancelled. Looking at all they crammed into the last episodes you can easily see that they had enough material to flesh out 5 seasons as Joss had planned.
     
  27. rjblue

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    I just finished watching the entire Dollhouse series over a period of 3 weeks. I love watching timeline stories like this all at once rather than having to remember to watch week-to-week.

    Enver Gjokaj has talent enough that he should be an "A" list movie star. I haven't been so impressed with anyone since I saw Ed Norton in Primal Fear. I can't wait to see them in the same movie.

    The series had a great mix of action, twists, and fleshed out characters. I love any series with a speculative fiction premise.

    I'm so glad that they were able to end most of the storyline, but I'm regretting all the potentially great ones that we'll never get to see. I have to think though, that if the series had been a big hit, the focus of each episode would have been a "doll" assignment, and the reveal of the conspiracies would have been much slower.
     
  28. genevieve

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    Agreed agreed agreed! So glad they let him really fly on this show and I hope he's able to use this series as a springboard cause he really deserves some high profile projects.

    I'm wondering if they'll put out a comprehensive dvd of the whole series. I didn't buy S1 last year and would rather buy a series package that get the 2 seasons separately.
     
  29. PeterG

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    It's cool that Eliza Dushku's ego is not so big that she didn't stand in the way of letting so many people shine in this show. Enver is an AMAZING actor and close to his great work was that of Olivia Williams as Adelle DeWitt. It was great seeing her in The Ghost Writer and quite easily holding her amongst Ewan McGregor, Kim Cattrall, Pierce Brosnan and Tom Wilkinson. :)

    P.S. Enver will be in a movie to be released in early May, "Stone" starring Robert DeNiro, Edward Norton and Milla Jovovich. :cheer2: :cheer: