Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Iceman, Jan 25, 2011.
Wow. That bitch makes Phil Hersh seem likable .
Way to diss a major ISU International Competition that your country hosts as well as the skaters that compete in it. I'm sure V/M and D/W would appreciate being called skaters of "lesser acclaim."
She can't be serious with that comment.
Wow. Just wow. She may have surpassed "bitch" and taken it to the next level.
Exactly when did performance quality become a detriment?
……After re-reading this pathetic excuse for a column, I have to wonder just how deep Rosie DiManno is in Joanne McLeod's pocket.
"Shawn Sawyer, a long-in-the-tooth-ish 25-year-old"
Wow, that's cruel.
DiManno seems like one negative person. She managed to make Shawn's wonderful performance (which if performed cleanly could land in the top 10 at Worlds) seem like it belonged in Juniors. Good grief! She's a hater.
That article is just nasty. What about Andrei Rogozine, and Patrick Myzyk? Not too sure of their ages but I thought Rogozine just won Cdn juniors a year or so ago. I thought they both had quite interesting short programs, even if their free programs didn't go the way they planned. I don't think Orser and Browning were up at the top their first years at seniors.
Thanks for making a thread for this Iceman. I posted this in the Sawyer thread but I really think this needs a thread of it`s own.
What is with Dimanno`s virtol against Sawyer in this article? Of course at age 26 he isn`t a part of the Sochi 2014 movement but what made her think it was necessary to take shots at his program, calling it ``loud`` and ``crude``, as well as criticizing him wearing the mad hatter`s hat after his program? What was she watching? That was pure magic and she just had to ruin it by saying he`s a waste in a year. What does she have against this guy to be the vicious? Did Sawyer mentioning publicly that SC didn`t support his comeback have anything to do with it?
I hope Sawyer doesn`t read this and let it get to him.
And way to wast an opportunity to congradulate the first Newfoundlander to win a senior medal in figure skating (Russel) by ripping apart the senior mens bronze medallist, Rosie.
Why does this woman work in media?
I wouldn't take anything "DiManic" takes to heart. She's as nasty as they come and always very negative. I sometimes read her articles if they're posted just for the entertainment value, never for face value. Patrick is outstanding but there are others, including Kevin who could possibly rise to the occasion of medaling at future competitions. Kevin had a bad day at the office, and yes, he has some work to do on presentation, but he's very young yet too, so I hope he stays and continues to improve. The public comments about his hair and his appearance are cruel and unnecessary. What is she trying to do?..........kick the kid when he's down? I like Kevin, he's a classy kid so I hope he takes no notice of Miss Di's comments and realizes that he has fans who support him. This article certainly wins the prize for negativity. Perhaps someone should write an article dissing Miss Di.
Note that there's no option to be able to comment (or is that typical of a column?).
I'd email her but I have a feeling the witch relishes stirring the shit - the more pissed off people are, the happier she is.
Canada have uniuqe skaters - Patrick and World record holder - Reynolds (i mean he was first skate, who made two quads at SP). And i cant understand, why so many people try to kick him? He is uniuqe jumper. And i think that he deserve to be an team, when Russels without consistent 3 ax are good skater, but maybe couldnt help Canada save 3 sports for next season.
Hope Kevin show greate skating at 4CC!
It's not Sawyer, it's skating. For some reason, they keep assigning her to a sport she doesn't like and doesn't understand, which is a complete mystery to me. I know that controversy sells, but a real journalist knows how to do that properly - Rosie DiManno is not a journalist, and the fact that she even has a job is another reason why I don't read the Star. It's annoying that media gives people with zero qualification a platform to spew their nonsense and meanness. Shame on the Star.
Very sad as the the Star owns the Hamilton Spectator and Steve Milton writes for the Hamilton Spectator. They could just send him instead.
Jenny is right on! In all the years I've read the Star, she's only given out one or two positive reviews, one for V/M and one for Jeff Buttle, all of whom are poised and unflappable; she was unable to provoke them, I think. Her articles on Sandhu were excrutiatingly painful (no matter how you view him). I wish she'd stick to her crime beat and let someone else report. P. J. Kwong? The Star has never taken skating seriously yet they will give pages to other minor sports events. And don't get me started on how many "Wheels" sections the paper feels the need to print! Aaaaggghhhh!
What's a camel jump?
Just shows how mean she is. A skater that can jump over camels can't even get any respect from her.
It seems obvious to me she didn't watch anything but the last group and most likely only watched the programs (or highlights) of the podium finishers plus Reynolds. I don't know how anyone watched that event and failed to take notice of some very interesting skaters and future potentials.
I also think she is way off regarding Kevin Reynolds. When all his jumps escaped him I actually watched thinking "damn that's a well choreographed program". Just as Chan started working on quads, Kevin has clearly been working on all the things he was lacking and I think ShaeLynn is perfect for him. Now is the time for Reynolds to see what he is made of and what he does with this disappointment. Whether it lights his fire or puts it out, I think he needs this moment to see what it is he wants and whether he has the desire to continue.
Someone should tell Dimanno that her writing style is loud and crude. She seems to be forgetting that Canada is relatively small population-wise, so we're not going to have 3 male skaters at one time who could potentially medal at Worlds.
Andrei Rogozine is 17, turning 18 this Saturday. In this season, he won gold in both his JGP assignments but came 3rd in the JGP final. After seeing how well he was doing, I was almost sure he would make it to the top 5 or at least top 8 in the senior men's National event. He placed 13th at this year's Nationals but if he keeps skating I am betting he will fare better next year.
DiManno's strategy has always been to make an irrelevant (or wrong) point, and then shout it as loudly as she can in hopes that the volume will distract from her flawed argument(s).
She seems to be the only person carping about how Canadian men's skating (other than Chan) sucks. That to me says more than enough about how pointless her point is.
Yet another reason why I don't want to read that stupid paper.
I simply lurved Shawn and his hat stuff came after his skate when he took his bows and then in the K&C so what's the big flippin deal? Jealous much, Rosie, cause you can't pull it off you sour old witch? Some of us actually find it endearing and the fact that a more "mature" skater has made a comeback and landed his skating nemesis more than once makes this OLD lady estatic and thinking Shawn is worthy of the SO.
If "Rosie" is in McLeod's pocket, why would she rip Kevin so badly?
Kevin, loving that I'm seeing him keep up the performance in spite of the jumps. I'm sure those will come back and should he continue to learn how to "sell" his program, he'll be back on the podium. Yeah, he had an off day - but then so too did others. Kudos to him for working with Shae and working on that part of his skating. Keep it up kiddo, I'm pulling for ya!
DiManno is just tedious.
My goodness. I guess there is no point reading her review. I saw Kevin and Shawn for the first time on the GP circuit this year and enjoyed them both.
Canada has never had a shortage of male singles competitors. No reason to believe they will now. Senior stars are difficult to predict anyway. Often the novice and junior champions flame out at the senior level, and it's the workhorses who turn out to be stars.
Snark sells, but I am tired of supporting it.
I'm surprised that after 12 years, the Toronto Star still hasn't found another sports reporter to cover for Rosie Dimanno and leave her free to do her editorials. She's never been kind to any Canadian skater who wasn't firm podium potential.
In a way, I'm happy Rosie doesn't cover other individual sports like Track and Field, Swimming or even Alpine Skiing - she'd be moaning about Canadian results till the cows come home.
Why can't they find another reporter?
That's not journalism.
For heaven's sake, it's Rosie DiManno. 'Nuff said.
I maintain the same position I've had with her for the past 10+ years: she's an idiot.
Anyway, as someone who has been a victim of reading her previous "articles," this is basically the way she writes for everything. She does it on purpose and the reaction that it has sparked on this board is exactly what she wants.
I think Kevin's talking about his fall/trip on the last ftwk sequence, before the 'camel jump' -which I assume is around 4:45 in this video? Not so much the actual choreography being a problem...
Bitch is the word! And yet maybe there's a touch of short term memory loss at work here because despite the vitriol she throws at Shawn in this article, less than 24 hours earlier she wrote:
So Rosie, d'ya like the guy or not? Love him Sunday, loathe him Monday?
Woman needs to get a grip and actually learn about the sport she's been trashing for years. Then she might have a shred of credibility. Oh and she could really use a new colourist while she's at it.
She has a point, somewhat. Except the article should have been about the Ladies.
I'm more disturbed that Skate Canada "discouraged" Shawn Sawyer from coming back. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'm pretty sure every skater, regardless of ability, should be allowed to skate if they would like without any negative backlash coming from SC. Even if SC would like to focus on the younger generation, if Sawyer can beat them all, maybe that younger generation isn't quite ready.
It seems Skate Canda is also wanting their male skaters to be butch and very masculine. That is probably another reason they dont like Shawn so much.
What's your basis for this comment? Very few Canadian champions and team members over the years have been what one might call "butch and very masculine."
You are saying Dimanno should have written about washed-up Sansom taking away Najarro's spot????
I agree with the writer. Besides Chan, there isn't anyone that impressed me in Canada right now. Kevin's jumps aren't impressive even when he lands quads. Joey's jumps are small.. almost smaller than ladies. The only thing I like about Joey is that he is from Labrador, newfoundland.. I have a yellow labrador.. so I like that.
yeah I don't get too in a knot about articles like this. Sometimes they provide good insight into what skating looks like to those unfamiliar with the sport...which is actually most of the world and a good chunk of the audience at big comps.
The two interesting nuggets were Sawyer revealing the reception he got to a comeback attempt and Reynolds saying "I don't know what my future is in skating"
But we have to realize that DiManno is assessing the 'talent' based on this one competition. So from a scoring perspective that's what it looks like, especially when you look at Chan's score as some freakish standard.
She doesn't know Russell's axel is much improved and he's landing quads in practice. Rogozine is a rapidly improving talent who hasn't bombed a competition in a couple of years. Martinez and Balde are ripe to break out if they can contain injuries and get on the national team to gain some more needed funding. Ten is out this year and will be a force next year.
So much she doesn't know...or comment on...because it wasn't right in front of her face in Victoria, and she didn't take the time to research.
Let her go work on her camel jumps. I'll invest more energy analyzing articles from sources that are actually credible.
What is your source for knowing that she doesn't know the things you mention?
She could know them and still come to the same conclusions she has.
Heck, I wonder if she even watched the last group. Shawn's program "loud and crude, and the hat didn't help?
She failed to notice that it was a competitive program, not a performance piece, and a masterpiece at that. And both Shawn and Kevin are capable of messing up or doing well at Worlds.
She also failed to notice that Ellajd Balde made the national team. He's a dynamic and very promising skater, junior champ in 2008, out to injury last season. As a team member he's only going to get better.
Plus, she also didn't pay attention to the juniors aside from Nam. I just watched Garrett Gosselin's SP on skatebuzz and he is truly a sublime skater.
I know people at the Star who have known (and disliked) Rosie for years, and apparently she continuously gets assigned to skating events because she secretly likes skating and asks to be sent. (And it is well-known in Star circles that Rosie is basically given free reign to cover whatever the hell she feels like covering, in any area of the paper, so if she asks to cover skating, she'll get the assignment over someone like Randy Starkman, who actually knows quite a bit about the sport and writes about it objectively.) The thing is, in her (much) younger days, Rosie was solid writer and had a knack for investigative journalism, and those glory days have given her a cushion at the paper that she's basically been taking advantage of ever since.
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