Despite success, Yuzuru Hanyu says there is room for improvement

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Starting a new thread now that several articles in English have been published:

    Associated Press: Despite success, Japan figure skater Yuzuru Hanyu says there is room for improvement
    Excerpt:
    The Asahi Shimbun: Sochi Olympic champion Hanyu ready for more gold
    Agence France-Presse: Champion Hanyu braced for new rivals
    Originally posted in the Japanese skating news thread in GSD:
     
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  2. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad he sees that. At age 19, he still has a few years to grow in physical strength and a lifetime to grow in mental maturity, which will only help his skating.
     
  3. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I like his attitude- the gold medal being a symbol for Sendai. It's great that he wants to challenge himself further. In addition to the technical difficulty, I would like to see him develop artistically as well.
     
  4. Ziggy

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    He is an exceptionally skilled skater and I would really like him to improve his sloppy lines and show more energy in his performances (the 'wilting flower' vibe isn't cutting it for me).
     
  5. briancoogaert

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    Of course there is room for improvement. He is already one of the best ever in term of skating, speed, technique, potential, but his posture is one of the worst, his arms movements are from nowhere and his costumes and choreographies are very questionnable. ;)
     
  6. Xela M

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    Maybe next time round he will only fall once :p
     
  7. Meoima

    Meoima Well-Known Member

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    I don't mind his arms movments but I question his fashion sense. He looks quite normal off-ice, isn't he? Nothing he wears looks riciculous, YET on the ice why does he has to wear those things? Johnny Weir! I am sorry but please stick to fashioning yourself only. :p

    Anyways, now that I have suffered so many wtf choreographies, David Wilson is not that bad, his choreographies recently are jus so so but not disaster. I don't expect David Wilson for a masterpiece. Unless next season he works like there is no tomorrow and Yuzuru performs that choreography with fearless. But again, I hope Yuzuru changes his LP choreographer.
     
  8. Ziggy

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    And this is a very good example for why anchoring the marks prevents the judges from reflecting accurately what is being performed on the ice.

    There is a lot that Hanyu really excels at but his posture and lines are very poor and he should be deducted on PE somewhat for that.
     
  9. galaxy

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    He said in an interview after the Worlds he felt something was lacking in his performance. He mentioned posture and emotion that comes out from inside his body. He said he wanted to learn ballet. He said in another TV interview maybe now is the time to polish himself. Orser said in an interview they will try various choreographies for him for next season. I think one of Hanyu's strengths lies in his ability to perceive himself objectively. And he always watches other skaters carefully even from their warm-ups in shows, hunting for hints he can learn from them.
     
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  10. paskatefan

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    I love his humility!
     
  11. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Copying over these Hanyu-specific items from the Japanese news thread:
    WOW, look at the number of people who came out to cheer him in Sendai!! Thank you, galaxy and rosewood, for finding/sharing all these links!
     
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  12. LilJen

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    He is known to have a DISINTEREST IN FOOD??? From what universe does this alien come? :p
     
  13. Meoima

    Meoima Well-Known Member

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    He said eating is business and he doesn't like it. :mad: Why can't I be like that? Could he transfer that disinterest in food to me? I want to lose at least 5kg.
     
  14. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Well-Known Member

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    I hope that going forward he can cut the late-program drama and put his energy into something useful such as upping the performance level. It's getting a little silly seeing him skate the back half/end of his freeskates as though he broke his leg in the middle but guts took him through to the finish and he finally keels over one last time in pain at the ending pose. Even worse is his reaction in getting up from falls (but I concede he was much better with that this season). Drama drama drama.

    Otherwise if he improved his posture then he could be wonderful (or if he made smarter costume choices). His SP costume is perfect for him and masks his shortcomings in the carriage/posture department, but his fitted FS costume only serves to exacerbate his weakness. In his case, costume makes all the difference.
     
  15. rosewood

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    Here's the glimpse of the victory parade. Yesterday it was said 10,000 but today it was corrected to be 92,000 people were there to see the victory parade, well, Japanese people are precise in nature. How did they count such many people. lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaNYfxCZPnA

    In the beginning of the video, Hanyu made a thank-you speech. "I'm very honored to see such a big crowd come to see the victory parade. I couldn't even dream of winning OGM. (...chacked...) Hope I could remind many people of the affected area Sendai, Miyagi pref, by winning the medal," he said.

    ETA:
    He's really busy in this off season again. Well, he's been very busy with shows even after loosing his base rink in Sendai becase of the disaster. Wish he'll stay healthy and take a rest before the intensive preparation for the next season starts.
    Coming shows confirmed so far.
    May 10,11 Prince Ice World in Hachinohe
    June 7,8 Fantasy on Ice 2014 in Tokyo
    June 13,14 Together on Ice(his victory show) in Sendai
    June 21,22 Beppu Figure Skating Exhibition in Beppu
    June 27-29 Dreams on Ice in Shinyokohama
    July 5,6 Fantasy on Ice 2014 in Toyama
    July 12,13 Fantasy on Ice 2014 in Niigata
     
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  16. galaxy

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    I think his posture and stamina issues partly come from his asthma and weak breathing ability. I was shocked when I found his asthma is more serious than it looks. It started when he was 2 years old. He still takes pills twice a day. He carries an inhaler with him everywhere he goes. Everytime he skates, in shows and competitions, we see small patches on his shoulders, chest and back of his neck.
    They are okibari in Japanese, a kind of acupuncture needles are under patches to soften his lungs' muscles. He wears these patches when he sleeps too. When he first moved to Canada, because of environmental changes, his asthma got worse and it affected his training. (September 2012) He lost weights and became even thinner. His 2012-2013 season started like this. And the previous year the Great East Japan Earthquake occurred.
    He wears a mask during his training in order to strengthen his breathing ability. It was his idea.

    About his FP costumes (NDP and RJ2) I don't care for them either. They distract me from concentrating on the programs. I prefer his RJ1 costume much. When he appeared on the ice in that costume we could immediately know he was going to be Romeo. However, it seems he was the one who chose these costumes. I don't think he cares much about his daily clothes. He just wears what his mother buys for him and when it is necessary, his mother cuts his hair. But from what I heard and read he has quite a few says about his costumes. One of his idols was Johnny Weir along with Plush and later Chan. Yuzuru is a supersticious boy and seems to believe his lucky colors are pink and green. So we see pink and green stones on his RJ2 costume. As long as he likes the costumes and is satisfied with them, and getting good results, what can we do? He doesn't do SM and Orser tells his students not to read forums, especially Yuzuru.
     
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  17. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Re-posting from the Japan news thread:
    Google Translate seems to indicate that Hanyu is starting the choreography of his new FS in Toronto now? "It is expected to stay about 2-3 weeks, to return home in early June for the ice show appearance [see post #15 above], which will be held in different parts of the country."

    ETA:
    http://skate-sendai.com/skater.html
    Skaters invited to Japan: Fernandez, Verner, Weir.

    ETA #2 (rosewood's translation of the article was posted in the Japan news thread):
     
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  18. clairecloutier

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    Really harsh comments. Yuzuru has asthma. The visible effort it takes for him to get through LPs is not because of fake drama but because he's struggling for breath and stamina. Considering his condition, I think he does amazingly well. Same with Charlie White.

    What impresses me most about Hanyu is his courage and tenacity. He always puts it out there; he never seems to give up on a performance. Yes he did fall twice in the Sochi LP, but you know, he kept going for jumps and landing them. He didn't fold, the way most guys would've. The kid has courage and drive. Could he use more polishing?
    Absolutely. I look forward to the skater he will be in 2018.
     
  19. all_empty

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    Yuzuru's slenderness is what helps him with his quad rotations.

    I don't think he'll ever "buff up" to have a Max Aaron or Javier Fernandez-type physique, but I think adding some muscle will help with his posture and stamina.

    He's still very young and has great potential; I'd love to see himself with much better free skates. Break away from the Johnny Weir-type music because it's :blah:
     
  20. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Bumping this thread up for Hanyu's show: "June 13,14 Together on Ice(his victory show) in Sendai": http://skate-sendai.com/index.html

    Latest Hanyu updates that were posted in the Japan general news thread:
    rosewood posted this May 30th tweet: https://twitter.com/shaelynnbourne/status/472558994452914176/photo/1
    Fantasy on Ice in Makahari show thread with videos: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?92465-Fantasy-on-Ice-Makuhari-June-7-8
     
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  21. kirkbiggestfan

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    I am surprised he wasn't put through ballet bootcamp when he got to Canada. Most of the posture issues could be corrected easilly if he worked on it off the ice on a daily basis.
     
  22. Meoima

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    Maybe they have worked with that problem already. But Hanyu wanted to push the jumps and other difficult elements first, you know people can only focus on 1 or 2 things at the same time.

    To put it fairly, when he performs a less technical demand program, his posture looks kinda okay. Long program with demanding elements, on the other hand, makes his posture more visible.
    He knew it, that's why he said he wanted to take ballet lesson.

    His stamina needs to be fixed first so the posture can look better. With short program he already looks like he's spent. I hope next season will be better.
     
  23. NMURA

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    I don't think stamina is a big problem for him. Otherwise he can't manage that content with that level of consistency. Most of the skaters should get tired after their free skating. He just needs to learn pretending "cool" even if he's exhausted.
     
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  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Link to Hanyu's "Together on Ice" Sendai show thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...hows-in-Sendai-JPN-with-Plushenko-Weir-Verner

    Re-posting 2 videos from this weekend's "Dreams on Ice" show thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...n-Ice-2014-in-Japan-Shinyokohama-(June-27-29)
     
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  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Re-posting this Yuzuru Hanyu news from the Japan news thread (thank you, rosewood!):
     
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  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Re-posting from the Japan news thread:
    Excerpt:
     
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  28. Meoima

    Meoima Well-Known Member

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    I doubt that you can pretend to look "cool" after that long program. :blah:
    Yes, stamina is a big problem for him. Had he had the stamina of Javi, he could have looked less tedious after free skate (even in the middle of his free skate).
     
  29. NMURA

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    Many people want Hanyu to have stamina "problems". Fernandez often pops a jump or two in the second half, while Hanyu rare does. I'm not sure Fernandez is "tougher" in this context. Anyway, as long as he nails all jumps except the 4S, you don't need to worry about it.
     
  30. Meoima

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    Well, Yuzuru sweats too much if you compare him to normal people, let alone skater. He looks like he has just been poured several bucket over his head whenever he finishes his SP, and LP = more tedious. Yes he is trying to push himself very hard, hence all the sweats. But I have never seen any skater sweats that much. He can barely speak when they interview him after his programs. I am not sure other skaters might want to have that "stamina problem".
     
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