Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Apr 15, 2013.
Smart move to go ahead and get the surgery and sacrifice the season. I have wondered if Michelle had gone ahead and gotten surgery if her story would have played out differently. Racheal is another one who should go ahead and get it out of the way, but she has said not until her competitive career is over, which I guess is still up in the air.
Slightly OT, but is John going to retire after Sochi? If so, what would Caydee do? I mean he was thinking about retirement back in 2011
Sure he was.
Who knows about John, or anyone. I think a lot of skaters make decisions in part based on whether they come out of the Olympic season encouraged or discouraged for what's ahead. In pairs, especially, the teams tend to stick around as longevity can play a big role. Who knows how far D/C will think they can get... I don't think some of their weaknesses are that fixable, but they can improve overall. They're still relatively new when you consider how many years the top pair skaters tend to be on the intl scene.
I was just going by his statements in 2011, but I see your point.
In agreement somewhat over the opinion that some of their weaknesses aren't fixable - IMO, they don't have an 'it' factor which can never be learned and they don't seem to have a lot of natural speed. But, I think little things might go a far way, like Caydee could work on channeling the music through facial expressions, point her toes, better costuming (she looks good in black), toy with different, more flattering positions in lifts. I also think more time together might bring more confidence in the execution of their learned elements, and they may decide to step up the difficulty on the SBS jumps as they have a very high success rate on SBS 3 toes and 2x-2x sequences. Going to a new choreographer w/ decent music will reveal if that helps boost their PCS (where they fall behind the top teams the most)
Seriously, I LOVE everything Julie Marcotte has choreographed, especially her pairs programs for the Canadians (M-T/M's programs blew my mind this past season), best I've ever seen (la verdad)!
Ha ha, well, Aliona and Robin already accomplished successfully pulling off Casablanca in their break-out 2005 Worlds fp debut!
Yes, definitely I could also see V/T in pairs and V/M in ice dance taking on the iconic Casablanca roles (more than D/C), and perhaps exploring them in a different way than Aliona and Robin have already done. Especially, I think V/T with the right choreo could rock Casablanca out of the Sochi arena. Definitely, it will be interesting to discover what V/T and S/S and S come up with for the Olympic season. At the least, since V/T are the overwhelming anointed favorites for Sochi gold, I hope they challenge themselves to come up with something that is not just a walk-in-the park easy, aesthetically-pleasing as usual on the surface.
If D/C do end up skating to Casablanca, it's bound not to be not as interesting or have as much depth, but I'm sure they'll give it their all. As far as movie themes, I think D/C should think more outside-the-box to come up with something challenging, yes, but also more suited to their personas/ on-ice qualities.
Denney/ Coughlin do not have a very dark, intense, romantic, mysterious vibe going on. But rather than Casablanca, maybe they could better make something noirish like Double Indemnity work for them (Barbara Stanwyck and Fred MacMurray):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QlUh-axEE Double Indemnity Suite by Miklos Rozsa
Or, mayhap something screwball comedic like: Bringing Up Baby (Kate Hepburn and Cary Grant):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygskb0Fq6yM I Can't Give You Anything But Love, Baby
Okay, Caydee and John, why not try on Kate and Cary for size???
AFAIK, M-T/M's programs this past season were NOT choreographed by Julie Marcotte. OTOH, Marcotte did choreograph Duhamel/ Radford's and Castelli/ Shnapir's wonderful programs. M-T/M's choreographer is listed as Mark Pallay on Wiki.
BTW, maybe there should be a poll in Trash Can as to whether or not figureit will ever ever learn how to close quote properly.
And yes I know I've made a back-to-back post boo-boo, but that's certainly not as distracting as the quoting/ re-posting problems figureit causes.
Really!?! OMG I swear I thought it was her (mea culpa). *insert embarrassed emoticon*
Okay, scratch that then, Mark Pallay is my favorite pairs choreographer. His programs for M-T/M were honestly the best I've ever seen! *bow*
^^ Yes definitely, M-T/M's fp is a choreographic masterpiece.
I double-checked and it looks like Mark Pillay is the correct spelling
She is the best pairs choreographer, by far. Her work for Takahashi/Tran has been extraordinary and with her help Duhamel/Radford have developed into a very interesting team. D/R's SP is probably the most memorable program of last season for me (unusual element layout, loads of transitions).
Yeah, because their program is going to have a lot of sophisticated and nuanced expression FO SHO!
I love Marcotte but you can't get blood out of a stone.
D/C are solid jumpers and have big pair elements. I wish their coach would address their horrible posture and work with them on developing expression appropriate to the music they are skating to instead of the constant 'cheerleaders on acid'.
New article on Caydee Denney and John Coughlin. Reads:-
The same thing happened to MT/M. They didn't have any competitions after nationals so they could work on the 12-13 season that much sooner than their competiton. Hopefully it will work out for them too.
Yes, but it will be up to D/C to correct the issues holding them back - Ease of movement, displaying their inner personalities and engaging the audience, putting more soul into their skating, weaving it seamlessly into their elements. That's a taller order than just coming up with some new tricks. However, a second set of SBS triples wouldn't hurt either ...
^^ Also, improving posture and line, and creating their own identity on the ice.